Russia trains for large-scale war

[Rogue Valley]

You should call this into George Noory's program.

No wonder you're retired.

 

[Tangmo]

They attack our allies. They refuse to extradite our criminals. They violate arms agreements. They provide aid to groups actively targeting American troops. They execute cyber attacks on our infrastructure. They undermine our democratic election process with disinformation campaigns. They recruit spies to infiltrate our government and other organizations. Is that enough? Do you need more?

They're either oblivious or they consciously want more and enable more. There's no in between on these blatant assaults which are historically acts of war.

Europe’s militaries are undersized, underfunded, and manned in large part by complete pacifists. Germany and France are far more likely to work with Russians than not.

Report: European militaries ill-equipped to defend themselves

France Calls On EU To Not Rely On U.S. Defense, Reach Out To Russia

Russia relies on conscripts whose mandatory term of service is one year and on old tanks that keep breaking down. Its capable figher aircraft are few and far between. The Oklahoma National Guard can handle that, two weeks at the most. Oklahoma Guard plus Texas Guard to include Air = less than a week.

In all of those wars we were attacked and brought into those european wars.

As for 9/11......except for great britain, they pretty much failed us. Let europe defend europe.

That's classic 20th century American Isolationism by the America Firsters that is discredited wholly and completely. You and the rest of the gang over there clustered in your closet are dismissed.

Okay. In other words we can win a war in europe all by ourselves. My point is why should we? Our blood and treasure is better spent elsewhere.

That would be fighting 'em right here in the homeland. Your classic American Isolationist views are demolished by history, wholly and completely.

We were attacked in ww1 and 2. Unless attacked we should stay out of it. Why fight a war over there if we aren’t at war?



You “missed” my point. My link indicated that 75% of every man and woman of military age is unfit for military duty. That doesn’t include the number who could care less about military service.

I still stand by my contention that red state kids should not die for blue state corporatists bent on outsourcing jobs and importing cheap labor.



If Russia invades Western Europe they will only rule Western Europe.

We have fought (and won) wars we ignored and that we have been dragged into and that we've been unprepared to fight. Isolationism was the major reason as the failed response to aggression by dictators, tyrants, criminals.

The Russian army relies on conscripts drafted for one year only. Another word for such state combatants is fodder. Russia is incapable of sustaining a conventional war in Europe. As a further discouragement France has made clear to Putin and his generals that the instant Russian troops move against Europe Paris will go nuclear. Do not dismiss the state of mind of France toward European aggressors over the past 150 years who have rolled repeatedly into Gaul at will, because the French will have no more of it.

Your artificial red state vs blue state construct of our own armed forces is your own and it is isolationist and it is wrong. I have noted Pentagon is rebalancing the Army by recruiting across the northern tier of the US among Gen-Z which surveys and experience show are both capable and interested to participate in a cause bigger than themselves. In a direct contrast, the sole cause of the self only is the fallacy of the isolationist and the America Firsters which is a proven huge loser.

 

[Dutch]

wtf is this? I did a tour overseas and I'm not from any "red state". What the hell is the matter with you?

Fine. Then you go die in europe for blue state corporatists.

WHY THE U.S. MILITARY IS SO SOUTHERN

 

[Rogue Valley]

Fine. Then you go die in europe for blue state corporatists.

I sure wasn't fighting for selfish throwback Americans such as you.

And don't forget to salute that Confederate flag hanging from your front porch.

 

[Dutch]

They're either oblivious or they consciously want more and enable more. There's no in between on these blatant assaults which are historically acts of war.

Russia relies on conscripts whose mandatory term of service is one year and on old tanks that keep breaking down. Its capable figher aircraft are few and far between. The Oklahoma National Guard can handle that, two weeks at the most. Oklahoma Guard plus Texas Guard to include Air = less than a week.

Why fight for europe?

That's classic 20th century American Isolationism by the America Firsters that is discredited wholly and completely. You and the rest of the gang over there clustered in your closet are dismissed.

Discredited by just whom? I favor the approach of the founding fathers.

"Interweaving our destiny" with others, Washington and Hamilton argued, would "entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice." America should therefore pursue economic integration with the world, but maintain strict neutrality in its feuds.

That would be fighting 'em right here in the homeland. Your classic American Isolationist views are demolished by history, wholly and completely.

Only if they could make it across half the worlds oceans and airspace.

We have fought (and won) wars we ignored and that we have been dragged into and that we've been unprepared to fight. Isolationism was the major reason as the failed response to aggression by dictators, tyrants, criminals.

The Russian army relies on conscripts drafted for one year only. Another word for such state combatants is fodder. Russia is incapable of sustaining a conventional war in Europe. As a further discouragement France has made clear to Putin and his generals that the instant Russian troops move against Europe Paris will go nuclear. Do not dismiss the state of mind of France toward European aggressors over the past 150 years who have rolled repeatedly into Gaul at will, because the French will have no more of it.

Your artificial red state vs blue state construct of our own armed forces is your own and it is isolationist and it is wrong. I have noted Pentagon is rebalancing the Army by recruiting across the northern tier of the US among Gen-Z which surveys and experience show are both capable and interested to participate in a cause bigger than themselves. In a direct contrast, the sole cause of the self only is the fallacy of the isolationist and the America Firsters which is a proven huge loser.

We are a nation riven with cultural and political divisions. A foreign war with a near peer and mass casualties to protect non-allies isn't a good idea.

 

[Dutch]

I sure wasn't fighting for selfish throwback Americans such as you.

And don't forget to salute that Confederate flag hanging from your front porch.

You mean like our erstwhile liberals? You mean like them?

This is from the DNC convention.

 

[Dutch]

Don't look now, but they sent a "simulated nuclear message" to Moscow and are about to blow up Merkel's Nortdstream-2.

Lol. My citations were clear enough. That you can't quite grasp the content is your shortcoming.

France has some 300 nuclear weapons. Russia has some 3500. France isn't scaring anybody.

 

[Dutch]

Old enough to know when someone is being very naïve. Older people never hurt others to get ahead? :lamo

I'm too old for naive. I also pay attention. These are democrats and those are mexican flags.

 

[ataraxia]

I'm too old for naive. I also pay attention. These are democrats and those are mexican flags.

Not sure what's wrong with Mexican flags. It's bad to like your neighbors now?

 

[Dutch]

I sure wasn't fighting for selfish throwback Americans such as you.

And don't forget to salute that Confederate flag hanging from your front porch.

Well, while you were fighting........these guys were making a statement. You think you're gonna' get these guys to go fight a war "anywhere" to protect the good ol' us of a?

 

[Tangmo]

I sure wasn't fighting for selfish throwback Americans such as you.

And don't forget to salute that Confederate flag hanging from your front porch.

Dutch represents Vichy America.

Vichy America runs from Charleston to Tulsa and the Panhandle.

It's also called Russia Minor.

 

[ataraxia]

Oh please spare us the faux outrage.

This is from outside a Trump rally:

 

[Dutch]

Not sure what's wrong with Mexican flags. It's bad to like your neighbors now?

That would be Mexican flags being flown here, in the us. Just what are the chances you'd be able to get these folks to "fight" and die for the "usa'?

 

[Dutch]

Oh please spare us the faux outrage.

This is from outside a Trump rally:

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Okay. think you're gonna' get these guys to die for france?

How bout these guys? They look ready to defend...............Africa. Not so much the U.S..

 

[Rogue Valley]

Memo to Dutch: The US military service is voluntary. No one forces anyone to saddle up.

Americans from all states volunteer, many because they want to give something back, receive vocational training, or any one of a dozen different inducements.

Ridiculing such incentives makes you look like a very bitter and small person who doesn't very well understand the canvas of personal motivations for military service.

 

[ataraxia]

That would be Mexican flags being flown here, in the us. Just what are the chances you'd be able to get these folks to "fight" and die for the "usa'?

Probably more chance than these guys:

 

[Dutch]

Dutch represents Vichy America.

Vichy America runs from Charleston to Tulsa and the Panhandle.

It's also called Russia Minor.

Dutch represents.........Dutch.

What I'm saying is a nation so divided against itself shouldn't be picking fights with near peers. We shouldn't be fighting wars without knowing the possible consequences of these wars.

Deeply divided nations shouldn't be so cavalier. Austrio Hungary fell apart during ww1 and for good reason. It was riven with divided loyalties. Whole Czech divisions joined the russians. We are, at least, as divided as the austrio hungarian empire perhaps more.

 

[ataraxia]

Okay. think you're gonna' get these guys to die for france?

How bout these guys? They look ready to defend...............Africa. Not so much the U.S..

Oh I see. It seems you would prefer they carry some other flags. Which country does it look like these guys are getting ready to defend, hmmm?

 

[Dutch]

Probably more chance than these guys:

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I can't see any of these guys fighting for mom and apple pie. These two pictures kinda' drive home my point.

 

[ataraxia]

I can't see any of these guys fighting for mom and apple pie. These two pictures kinda' drive home my point.

So why do you always show the crazy ones from the left side of the spectrum and not the right? Coincidence?

 

[Dutch]

Oh I see. It seems you would prefer they carry some other flags. Which country does it look like these guys are getting ready to defend, hmmm?

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My point is both these groups might be more willing to die fighting each other than to be relied upon to die for europe. Is that too fine a point for you to understand? I hope not.

 

[Dutch]

So why do you always show the crazy ones from the left side of the spectrum and not the right? Coincidence?

I'm a conservative. From my perspective National Socialists are from the left side. I see precious little to choose between two collectivist ideologies.

 

[lwf]

Why fight for europe?

People said the same thing in 1941.

 

[Dutch]

People said the same thing in 1941.

We were attacked. We had to defend ourselves. I disagree. An attack on Western Europe by russia isn't an attack on us.

Besides, this isn't the same nation it was in 1941.

This is the nation now. These slackers aren't going to defend this country much less europe.

 

[ataraxia]

My point is both these groups might be more willing to die fighting each other than to be relied upon to die for europe. Is that too fine a point for you to understand? I hope not.

Yes it is. I am still not sure what these small groups of crazies on the lunatic fringes of other side, and what they are willing to die for or not, has anything to do with protecting important American national security interests overseas.