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Russia trains for large-scale war

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Russia trains for large-scale war

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Russia's Tor-M2DT highly mobile SAM-system in the Arctic.

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The Swedish Defense Research Agency, or FOI, made the announcement that Russia is preparing to start and conduct large-scale war. According to a report from FOI, Russian military exercises have become increasingly extensive during the last ten years. “Although Russia previously focused on managing small-scale conflicts, it now practices how to start and conduct large-scale war,” said in a report. The Russian ministry of defense announced in 2017 that approximately 10,000 Russian soldiers participated in a strategic exercise in western Russia. In 2018 300,000 were gathered for the corresponding exercise in the eastern parts of the country. But it is not the figures themselves that are interesting, says Johan Norberg, Deputy Research Director for Security Policy at FOI, in Kista. “What is important is what they are doing. They have a lot of personnel. They have a lot of materiel, even if much of it is old and from the Soviet period. But the exercises build capability, that is, units that can carry out assigned missions on combat operations,” says Johan Norberg. The Swedish Ministry of Defence commissioned the report, “Training for War – Russia’s Strategic-level Military Exercises 2009–2017,” which deals with Russia’s strategic military exercises. These are conducted on an annual basis and concern the ability to wage war across a war theatre i.e. large parts of a continent. Civilian authorities and other segments of society are also involved to see how they can assist the armed forces. “Russia is preparing itself to be able to fight a regional and possibly long and drawn-out war, for example against China or NATO.”

The report is based on open Russian sources, primarily the Russian Ministry of Defence. They create the impression that the scale of the exercises has increased from 2009 to 2018. “They have long conducted strategic-level exercises in term of the ambition for command and control. What is striking is that since 2013 these exercises are increasingly involving matching numbers of troops and equipment in the field.” Russia’s armed forces are also determinedly improving their combat readiness, which is to say their ability to shift from everyday peacetime activities to being able to carry out assigned missions on wartime operations. Such large-scale combat readiness checks also occasionally affect civil authorities. This reflects a comprehensive approach where other government agencies and ministries are to support the military in wartime, according to Johan Norberg. During the last ten years, the country has used military force in Georgia, Ukraine and Syria. “Russia is obviously prepared to use military means. It is thus important to understand how, and in the worst case, for what, they might be used. Military exercises provide a hint of this,” says Johan Norberg.

To anyone that regularly takes note Russian military exercises, it is fairly obvious that those exercises are becoming ever larger with increasingly complex unit movements choreographed and decidedly offensive in nature.

Related: Training for War - Russia's Strategic-level Military Exercises 2009–2017
 

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Russia trains for large-scale war

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Russia's Tor-M2DT highly mobile SAM-system in the Arctic.



To anyone that regularly takes note Russian military exercises, it is fairly obvious that those exercises are becoming ever larger with increasingly complex unit movements choreographed and decidedly offensive in nature.

Related: Training for War - Russia's Strategic-level Military Exercises 2009–2017

Contrast that with the Western European nations ever shrinking militaries and you realize why our continued participation in Nato is probably a bad idea.
 

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Contrast that with the Western European nations ever shrinking militaries and you realize why our continued participation in Nato is probably a bad idea.

The view from Munich.
 

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The view from Munich.

Look, Munich, and the rest of europe, can go to hell for all I care. The military is made up of kids "mostly" from the south and mountain west. Why should we sacrifice our kids to further the schemes of the blue state elites? Why?

Europe is a very rich very populated economic zone. They can defend themselves or not. Hell, just look at the german russian pipeline deal. If they want to fund the russian war machine.....who are we to prevent their political elites to make a shortsighted buck or two?
 

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Contrast that with the Western European nations ever shrinking militaries and you realize why our continued participation in Nato is probably a bad idea.

No. No rational, sober adult actually thinks that.
 

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Look, Munich, and the rest of europe, can go to hell for all I care. The military is made up of kids "mostly" from the south and mountain west. Why should we sacrifice our kids to further the schemes of the blue state elites? Why?

Europe is a very rich very populated economic zone. They can defend themselves or not. Hell, just look at the german russian pipeline deal. If they want to fund the russian war machine.....who are we to prevent their political elites to make a shortsighted buck or two?

That is why I believe in the military getting 25% of it's manpower from a draft. Let civilians get some skin in the game. Keep the front line combat units as they are and let them choose their warriors. Russia is a problem, but China is a threat.

I believe Russia is counting on a democrat winning in 2020, and with another Obama-type president, Putin will roll into Ukraine unopposed. Putin isn't blind. If Putin is ballsy enough he'll take Lituania, and isolate Estonia and Lativia and show the world that NATO is just for show. Will we go to war with Russia over three NATO countries few have even heard of?

Here's a handy "explainer" type map set.
Top 14 maps and charts that explain NATO - Geoawesomeness

I see the middle school kids are popping off and crapping your thread with nothing to say. Kids, you really don't have to say something about everything.
 

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He did, in post #6. You on the other hand, havent. Ever.

LOL! No, he didn't, but I understand your compulsion to pretend that he did.

A bit sad, though, to continually watch you struggle to be relevant.
 

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LOL! No, he didn't, but I understand your compulsion to pretend that he did.

A bit sad, though, to continually watch you struggle to be relevant.

He did actually. And since you have not made 'a rational point or a cogent, honest argument' here in 23,326 attempts to do so, perhaps you should reread it, study it and learn something.
 

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Look, Munich, and the rest of europe, can go to hell for all I care. The military is made up of kids "mostly" from the south and mountain west. Why should we sacrifice our kids to further the schemes of the blue state elites? Why?

Europe is a very rich very populated economic zone. They can defend themselves or not. Hell, just look at the german russian pipeline deal. If they want to fund the russian war machine.....who are we to prevent their political elites to make a shortsighted buck or two?

Russia is an avowed enemy of the United States actively working against our interests. Do you feel it is sound military strategy to allow such an enemy to grow in strength?
 

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He did actually. And since you have not made 'a rational point or a cogent, honest argument' here in 23,326 attempts to do so, perhaps you should reread it, study it and learn something.

No, he didn't. Spewing out histrionic bull**** like this..."Why should we sacrifice our kids to further the schemes of the blue state elites?" isn't rational, honest or cogent.

You, however, simply wouldn't know in any case.

Which is always good for a laugh.
 

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Russia is an avowed enemy of the United States actively working against our interests. Do you feel it is sound military strategy to allow such an enemy to grow in strength?

What "interests" would those be?
 

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Ok......why? Please explain your position.

What you posited is patently absurd and laughably dishonest. You need that to be explained to you? Really?

Europe's militaries are are 'shrinking' and therefore continuing with NATO is bad idea. Yeah. Run with that.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

Yet again, you simply have no clue what you're talking about.
 

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No. No rational, sober adult actually thinks that.

That is why I believe in the military getting 25% of it's manpower from a draft. Let civilians get some skin in the game. Keep the front line combat units as they are and let them choose their warriors. Russia is a problem, but China is a threat.

I believe Russia is counting on a democrat winning in 2020, and with another Obama-type president, Putin will roll into Ukraine unopposed. Putin isn't blind. If Putin is ballsy enough he'll take Lituania, and isolate Estonia and Lativia and show the world that NATO is just for show. Will we go to war with Russia over three NATO countries few have even heard of?

Here's a handy "explainer" type map set.
Top 14 maps and charts that explain NATO - Geoawesomeness

I see the middle school kids are popping off and crapping your thread with nothing to say. Kids, you really don't have to say something about everything.


What!?!? A draft?!?!? The reality is dysfunctional societies produce dysfunctional children who grow up into dysfunctional adults. Most U.S. young men and women are unfit for service.

Up to 75 Percent of US Youth Ineligible for Military Service
Lack of Education, Physical Problems Disqualify Most


About 75% of America's 17- to 24-year-olds are ineligible for military service due to lack of education, obesity, and other physical problems, or criminal history, according to a report issued in 2009 by the Mission: Readiness group.

Just Not Smart Enough
In its report, Ready, Willing and Unable to Serve, Mission: Readiness - a group of retired military and civilian military leaders - found that one in four young people between 17 and 24 does not have a high school diploma. About 30 percent of those who do, states the report, still fail the Armed Forces Qualification Test, the entrance test required to join the US military. Another one in ten young people cannot serve because of past convictions for felonies or serious misdemeanors, states the report.

Obesity and Other Health Problems Wash Many Out
A full 27 percent of young Americans are simply too overweight to join the military, says Mission: Readiness. "Many are turned away by recruiters and others never try to join. Of those who attempt to join, however, roughly 15,000 young potential recruits fail their entrance physicals every year because they are too heavy."

Nearly 32 percent have other disqualifying health problems, including asthma, eyesight or hearing problems, mental health issues, or recent treatment for Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder.

Due to all of the above and other assorted problems, only about two out of 10 American young people are fully eligible to join the military without special waivers, according to the report....
 

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What!?!? A draft?!?!? The reality is dysfunctional societies produce dysfunctional children who grow up into dysfunctional adults. Most U.S. young men and women are unfit for service.

Up to 75 Percent of US Youth Ineligible for Military Service
Lack of Education, Physical Problems Disqualify Most


About 75% of America's 17- to 24-year-olds are ineligible for military service due to lack of education, obesity, and other physical problems, or criminal history, according to a report issued in 2009 by the Mission: Readiness group.

Just Not Smart Enough
In its report, Ready, Willing and Unable to Serve, Mission: Readiness - a group of retired military and civilian military leaders - found that one in four young people between 17 and 24 does not have a high school diploma. About 30 percent of those who do, states the report, still fail the Armed Forces Qualification Test, the entrance test required to join the US military. Another one in ten young people cannot serve because of past convictions for felonies or serious misdemeanors, states the report.

Obesity and Other Health Problems Wash Many Out
A full 27 percent of young Americans are simply too overweight to join the military, says Mission: Readiness. "Many are turned away by recruiters and others never try to join. Of those who attempt to join, however, roughly 15,000 young potential recruits fail their entrance physicals every year because they are too heavy."

Nearly 32 percent have other disqualifying health problems, including asthma, eyesight or hearing problems, mental health issues, or recent treatment for Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder.

Due to all of the above and other assorted problems, only about two out of 10 American young people are fully eligible to join the military without special waivers, according to the report....

None of which is relevant to what I posted.

Thanks for trying, though, and good luck with your magical thinking.

You'll need it.
 

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No, he didn't. Spewing out histrionic bull**** like this..."Why should we sacrifice our kids to further the schemes of the blue state elites?" isn't rational, honest or cogent.

You, however, simply wouldn't know in any case.

Which is always good for a laugh.

It is a valid question contained within a coherent, rational post. You are just incapable of a rational response of any kind to any post made here.
 

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What "interests" would those be?

They attack our allies. They refuse to extradite our criminals. They violate arms agreements. They provide aid to groups actively targeting American troops. They execute cyber attacks on our infrastructure. They undermine our democratic election process with disinformation campaigns. They recruit spies to infiltrate our government and other organizations. Is that enough? Do you need more?
 

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It is a valid question contained within a coherent, rational post. You are just incapable of a rational response of any kind to any post made here.

No, it's not but, again, I understand you need to pretend otherwise.

And rationality? Why try and reference something that completely alien to you? What's the point?
 

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I think Russia would be more likely to pick away at non-NATO countries (as evidenced in post-2007 events) than to directly draw the ire of the entire 7-million+ NATO alliance at once.

I'm sure Russia is well aware that they would lose.
 

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Contrast that with the Western European nations ever shrinking militaries and you realize why our continued participation in Nato is probably a bad idea.

OMG, what a wild comment.

Absolutely mind blowing.
 
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