Russia Sends Warships to Mediterranean.....

[MMC]

Besides of that, every time they pushed the USA and UK to an attack, they loved to threw some missiles, but after the strike finished they left alone the US to fix all the mess the missiles create.
If USA lately lost it's credibility around the world (even that it's not so much imo) it's due to their allies.

Europeans were always too hasty, in all their history. (especially during WW2)

You got that Right Coin.....when it comes to paying for things or sticking around thru the thick and thin. The French are well adapt at always trying to use someone elses money or their Equipment. Then running as fast as they can to get out of Dodge.

Do you think they can ever take responsibility for their own ****?

 

[APACHERAT]

I don't even know that they're doing that. They do things like move ships around sometimes.

The U.S. Navy use to move it's ships around. Today most of the Navy's ships can't even get out of port.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

You got that Right Coin.....when it comes to paying for things or sticking around thru the thick and thin. The French are well adapt at always trying to use someone elses money or their Equipment. Then running as fast as they can to get out of Dodge.

Do you think they can ever take responsibility for their own ****?

they did at verdun in world war 1, were the country bled itself white trying to stop the Germans.

 

[Coin]

Russians are trying to see if we are bluffing.

It seems a tactical move.

But if there will be no attack on Syria, the Russian (as good on propaganda) will use it very well.

If Bush would still be the president, Putin wouldn't dare to make these moves. With Obama he is in good conditions to predict the western allies.
Obama's character make him too exposed on his movements, he is too emotional. Imo even when he called Putin a "bored kid", he gave a step ahead to him.

 

[MMC]

Russia is bluffing.

Wait and see.

They won't throw the 1st punch.
[/U]

They don't need to throw any punch.....all they need do is warn Assad. Also could let them know when to fire that P800 at one of our Ships. Which if that happens and we lose a whole Ship.....without a UN Mandate. Well, Obama will really have some trouble then. Very Serious trouble.

 

[Fallenangel]

The original text from Interfax.ru (translated using Google translate with small changes made by moi)

Moscow. August 29. INTERFAX.RU - State of the permanent naval task force in the Mediterranean in the coming days will be updated, as was told this Thursday to "Interfax-AVN" by a source in the Russian General Staff.

"The well-known situation prevailing now in the Eastern Mediterranean, required us to some adjustments in the grouping of the Navy. The next few days it should be extended with a large anti-submarine ship of the Northern Fleet. Later, it is supported by the Black Sea Fleet missile cruiser "Moskva", which now completes the task in the North Atlantic and will soon begin the transatlantic crossing in the direction of the Strait of Gibraltar"- said the source.

According to him, by fall the Mediterranean group would be updated with a Navy Pacific Fleet missile cruiser "Varyag", which will replace a large anti-submarine ship from the Pacific Fleet, "Vice-Admiral Panteleev", now performing combat tasks in the task force.


There is always a group of Russian warships sailing in the Mediterranean see, and there are always changes/rotation in the ships.

Moskva is still quite far from the Med. and even if it would arrive during the weekend there is almost nothing that it can do.

Cheers,
Fallen.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

They don't need to throw any punch.....all they need do is warn Assad. Also could let them know when to fire that P800 at one of our Ships. Which if that happens and we lose a whole Ship.....without a UN Mandate. Well, Obama will really have some trouble then. Very Serious trouble.

if syria fires on us then that is all that is needed for us to issue a declaration of war.

 

[sbrettt]

Russia is sending two warships to the east Mediterranean, Interfax news agency said on Thursday, but Moscow denied this meant it was beefing up its naval force there as Western powers prepare for military action against Syria.

Interfax quoted a source in the armed forces' general staff as saying Russia, Syria's most powerful ally, was deploying a missile cruiser from the Black Sea Fleet and a large anti-submarine ship from the Northern Fleet in the "coming days".

"The well-known situation now in the eastern Mediterranean required us to make some adjustments to the naval force," the source said in a reference to the events in Syria.

It was not clear when the vessels would arrive but Interfax said the Moskva missile cruiser was currently in the North Atlantic and would set sail in the next few days.

President Vladimir Putin has said the naval presence is needed to protect national security interests and is not a threat to any nation. Russia cooperates with NATO navies against piracy and its ships call at Western ports.

This is not a new group ... but a planned rotation," an highly-placed navy official who was not identified told state-run RIA news agency.....snip~

Russia sends warships to Mediterranean as Syria tension rises



It appears the Russians are looking to up the game.....with some showboating. Do you think this will garner any response from the West? What do you think about Russia acting a warning system and being able to jam things up in an area for Assad? Guess since the Brits, The French and ourselves have sent ships.....Putin didn't want to be left out of the mix.

I really think we should stay out this, but I don't like the idea of civilians being gased whether it was Syria's government or the rebels. I'm torn.

 

[MMC]

they did at verdun in world war 1, were the country bled itself white trying to stop the Germans.

Right one has to go back into History.....to find out when the French did something worth noting, when it comes to conflict.

 

[Coin]

Russia is bluffing.

Wait and see.

They won't throw the 1st punch.
[/U]

They won't need.

If USA and UK attack without UN mandate, as they announced, they will strike Saudi Arabia and no one can judge them anymore.

Then the things will be rolling itself.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Right one has to go back into History.....to find out when the French did something worth noting, when it comes to conflict.

Frances experience in world war one made it reluctant to get involved in another war, considering how much france sacrificed in men and money in the trenchs of the western front, France was also influenced by its expeirance in the first world war to believe that the next war would also be a defensive war, that is what France had in mind when it built the fortified Maginot line.

 

[MMC]

I really think we should stay out this, but I don't like the idea of civilians being gassed whether it was Syria's government or the rebels. I'm torn.

Heya SB. :2wave: Well.....its. not like Assad ordered his people to gas anyone. Think about it.....here he is winning back all the ground from the Rebels. Then starts kicking their asses all over the place. Why is he going to use Chems now after humiliating the Rebels. While Winning?

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Heya SB. :2wave: Well.....its. not like Assad ordered his people to gas anyone. Think about it.....here he is winning back all the ground from the Rebels. Then starts kicking their asses all over the place. Why is he going to use Chems now after humiliating the Rebels. While Winning?

because he wants to terrorize his opponents and punish the supporters of the rebels.

 

[shrubnose]

Russia is sending two warships to the east Mediterranean, Interfax news agency said on Thursday, but Moscow denied this meant it was beefing up its naval force there as Western powers prepare for military action against Syria.

Interfax quoted a source in the armed forces' general staff as saying Russia, Syria's most powerful ally, was deploying a missile cruiser from the Black Sea Fleet and a large anti-submarine ship from the Northern Fleet in the "coming days".

"The well-known situation now in the eastern Mediterranean required us to make some adjustments to the naval force," the source said in a reference to the events in Syria.

It was not clear when the vessels would arrive but Interfax said the Moskva missile cruiser was currently in the North Atlantic and would set sail in the next few days.

President Vladimir Putin has said the naval presence is needed to protect national security interests and is not a threat to any nation. Russia cooperates with NATO navies against piracy and its ships call at Western ports.

This is not a new group ... but a planned rotation," an highly-placed navy official who was not identified told state-run RIA news agency.....snip~

Russia sends warships to Mediterranean as Syria tension rises



It appears the Russians are looking to up the game.....with some showboating. Do you think this will garner any response from the West? What do you think about Russia acting a warning system and being able to jam things up in an area for Assad? Guess since the Brits, The French and ourselves have sent ships.....Putin didn't want to be left out of the mix.

Heya SN. :2wave: How ya doing today? Yeah I am sure many would like to see that. These ships could give Assad Early Warning concerning any cruise missiles fired by us. Or the hapless Brits and French.

I was surprised the French sent their Big Transport ship to the Port of Toulon. I still don't see how they can say that was Normal.

Putin laid this out knowing this would impact politically. Which He did want to get that point across. Do you think it will ratchet up things any?

Or trying to show us that they are not bluffing.

They don't need to throw any punch.....all they need do is warn Assad. Also could let them know when to fire that P800 at one of our Ships. Which if that happens and we lose a whole Ship.....without a UN Mandate. Well, Obama will really have some trouble then. Very Serious trouble.

Right. IF. That's a big word

 

[MMC]

Frances experience in world war one made it reluctant to get involved in another war, considering how much france sacrificed in men and money in the trenchs of the western front, France was also influenced by its expeirance in the first world war to believe that the next war would also be a defensive war, that is what France had in mind when it built the fortified Maginot line.

They should have remembered all of that.....before running around the World sticking their noses into others business and always filing Resolutions in the UN for actionable Action. It was the French who spoke up first and said they were going to punish Assad.

Yet the French wont declare War on Assad and take them on by themselves. Since France has the mouth.....lets see them walk the walk. Other than the deadmans walk.

 

[MMC]

Right. IF. That's a big word

Kinda like the US hoping on the Europeans.....nothing but that little word with the Mighty Big Definition.

 

[sbrettt]

Heya SB. :2wave: Well.....its. not like Assad ordered his people to gas anyone. Think about it.....here he is winning back all the ground from the Rebels. Then starts kicking their asses all over the place. Why is he going to use Chems now after humiliating the Rebels. While Winning?

That's makes sense to me, but I still don't like the idea of civi's being gased (killed at all for that matter) no matter who did it. This is a tough one for me. Do you know if there's any info as to what type of nerve gas it was? Because if it was VX that would be especially bad IMO. If Al Qaeda has that and decides to use it on our civi's it would be devastating.

 

[MMC]

because he wants to terrorize his opponents and punish the supporters of the rebels.

No need.....when winning and leaving Idris the traitor to Assad, all to his lonesome self and the MB and Salafists.

 

[joko104]

what in gods name would the Russians consider so important that they would start world war three?

They're not threatening to start it. It is RUSSIA who has a naval base there, not us. Russia is an ally to the Syrian government. This is on Russia's southern front.

This is a battle Russia cannot lose, because if we attack Syria with Russia openly against it and tacitly arming the Syrian military, basically all insurgency groups and the vast majority of Muslims in that region will be aligned with Russia and against the USA.

IF Russia decides to play in the M.E. like we do, they could give/sell weapons systems to insurgencies and terrorist against stable governments there beyond anything seen in the past. The insurgent with an AK47 becomes an insurgent with an shoulder mounted anti-aircraft missile that will take down any helicopter and any jetliner taking off and landing, and an insurgent with armor piercing weapons - light and heavy.

While we are raining down death with $10,000,000 missiles, the masses on Russia's side is turning country after country into destabilized terror-zones.

This proxy war with Russia our military industrial complex wants to play and wants us to pay for would be exorbitantly costly and even more dangerous.

 

[MMC]

That's makes sense to me, but I still don't like the idea of civi's being gased (killed at all for that matter) no matter who did it. This is a tough one for me. Do you know if there's any info as to what type of nerve gas it was?

Only possible reports of a Sarin gas.....which the West making a big Deal out of 355 deaths while over a 110k have been killed. Knowing the Opposition is not in control by the FSA.

Which none in the West cannot say they didn't know this from months ago.

 

[joko104]

It usually all boils down to money.

Destabilizing oil in the region would be astronomically economically advantageous to Russia, which is continuing to expand it's oil and gas production. Ever dollar increase in the price of a barrel of oil is probably worth half a billion dollars to Russia. Per month.

 

[sbrettt]

Only possible reports of a Sarin gas.....which the West making a big Deal out of 355 deaths while over a 110k have been killed. Knowing the Opposition is not in control by the FSA.

Which none in the West cannot say they didn't know this from months ago.

Sarin, that's some pretty nasty stuff, but from what I understand not anywhere near as destructive as VX. That's another issue I have with Obama and Cameron. For me, the red line would be the mass murdering of civilians by any means.

 

[ttwtt78640]

what in gods name would the Russians consider so important that they would start world war three?

Maybe you, and Obama, should brush up on Syria's relationships with Russia and China.

Who Are Syria's Friends And Why Are They Supporting Assad? : Parallels : NPR

 

[Fallenangel]

They're not threatening to start it. It is RUSSIA who has a naval base there, not us. Russia is an ally to the Syrian government. This is on Russia's southern front.

This is a battle Russia cannot lose, because if we attack Syria with Russia openly against it and tacitly arming the Syrian military, basically all insurgency groups and the vast majority of Muslims in that region will be aligned with Russia and against the USA.

IF Russia decides to play in the M.E. like we do, they could give/sell weapons systems to insurgencies and terrorist against stable governments there beyond anything seen in the past. The insurgent with an AK47 becomes an insurgent with an shoulder mounted anti-aircraft missile that will take down any helicopter and any jetliner taking off and landing, and an insurgent with armor piercing weapons - light and heavy.

While we are raining down death with $10,000,000 missiles, the masses on Russia's side is turning country after country into destabilized terror-zones.

This proxy war with Russia our military industrial complex wants to play and wants us to pay for would be exorbitantly costly and even more dangerous.

Highlighted in red....what exactly makes you think that?!?

Fallen.

 

[APACHERAT]

Every military annalist that I've heard in the past three days who are retired flag and field grade officer have said DON"T launch an attack against Syria.

The most interesting comment I heard came from an armchair general, attack both sides, the Syrian military and the rebels.