Russia Sends Warships to Mediterranean.....

[MMC]

Moskva missile cruiser

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Guided Missile Cruiser "Moskva"

Guided Missile Cruiser "Moskva" - Fact File


Displacement: 9,800 tonnes standard, 11,28 tonnes full load

Length: 186.5 m

Beam: 20.8 m

Draught: 7.6 m

Machinery: COGOG gas turbines, 90,000 hp, 2 shafts

Speed: 32 knots

Range: 6,000 nm at 15 kn

Armament:

16 xSS-N-12 Sandbox Mod SSM,
8 x 8 SA-N-6 Grumble SAM (with SSM mode) VLS (64 missiles),
2 x Improved SA-N-4 Gecko SR SAM (two twin-arm launchers) (48 missiles),
1 x 2 130 mm DP AK-130 gun,
6 x 6 30 mm AK-630 gatling guns,
2 x 5 553 mm torpedo tubes,
1 Ka-27 / Helix Helicopter

Complement: 510


Weapons: Guided Missile Cruiser "Moskva" - Weapon Systems

Heya Apache :2wave: .....thanks for putting up the Pic of the Russian Cruiser. Now do you think the Russians are going to send a Cruiser in with out any Destroyers or Sub protections.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Heya UWS. :2wave: Yes.....They are backed by the MB and Salafists, then Al Nusra and AQ. Then there is the Radical Islamist Kurds. They are making up the majority of the Rebels.

If you have noticed they really haven't been using the Term Free Syrian Army much anymore. They are calling them the Opposition. What do you think the reason for this is? Besides Al Nusra coming out and stating they don't acknowledge the FSA or the TNC. That there will be no democracy that Syria will be under Sharia Law.

then why is the al nursa front only made up of 6,000 fighters.

or wikipedia really needs updating.

 

[AlabamaPaul]

Heya Apache :2wave: .....thanks for putting up the Pic of the Russian Cruiser. Now do you think the Russians are going to send a Cruiser in with out any Destroyers or Sub protections.

Who is going to fire on them?

 

[MMC]

then why is the al nursa front only made up of 6,000 fighters.

or wikipedia really needs updating.

Do you think that counts the 29 other opposition groups and Civilian Committees that are backing Al Nusra?

Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group
Rebel groups across Syria are defying the United States by pledging their allegiance to a group that Washington will designate today a terrorist organization for its alleged links to al-Qaeda.

A total of 29 opposition groups, including fighting "brigades" and civilian committees, have signed a petition calling for mass demonstrations in support of Jabhat al-Nusra, an Islamist group which the White House believes is an offshoot of al-Qaeda in Iraq.

The petition is promoting the slogan "No to American intervention, for we are all Jabhat al-Nusra" and urges supporters to "raise the Jabhat al-Nusra flag" as a "thank you".

"These are the men for the people of Syria, these are the heroes who belong to us in religion, in blood and in revolution," read a statement widely circulated on Syrian opposition Facebook pages.

Although Jabhat al-Nusra remains separate from the Free Syrian Army, many FSA leaders now recognise its strength and order their forces to cooperate with it.

Even mainstream opposition activists expressed anger at what they claimed was America's last-minute attempt to "muscle in on their revolution".

EU leaders including William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, met the heads of the coalition in Brussels yesterday, having already recognised it as "the legitimate representative of the aspirations of the Syrian people".

Opposition fighters inside Syria told The Daily Telegraph that the US announcement was too little too late, and that any attempts by the West to intervene in Syria would be rejected. "We don't support the new FSA military command," said Ous al-Arabi, a spokesman of the Deir al-Zour Revolutionary council.....snip~

Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group - Telegraph


You were saying something about numbers now.....Right? Think we have exact total of all these Groups? Think we know who is behind this Council yet?

Deir al-Zour Revolutionary council. <<<<< This one? Hows that 6k looking now?

 

[MMC]

Who is going to fire on them?

Uhm, you are aware the Moskva CRUISER is the Flagship of Russians Northern Fleet, Correct? Know of any other Flagships that travel without Sub escort?

 

[Coin]

I think it's just a tactical move.

They moved the warships even on Yugoslavia case when they were against the attack, but they did nothing. Instead they joined the allies as peacekeepers.

 

[Higgins86]

Russians are trying to see if we are bluffing.

 

[AlabamaPaul]

Uhm, you are aware the Moskva CRUISER is the Flagship of Russians Northern Fleet, Correct? Know of any other Flagships that travel without Sub escort?

Again, who would fire on it? The answer is not the US...

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Again, who would fire on it? The answer is not the US...

nor anyone sane enough to try to avoid a global war.

 

[APACHERAT]

Heya Apache :2wave: .....thanks for putting up the Pic of the Russian Cruiser. Now do you think the Russians are going to send a Cruiser in with out any Destroyers or Sub protections.

The Russians already have 16 ships deployed in the eastern Mediterranean. Putin is beefing up his navy in the Med.

Well we now have 5 Arleigh Burke class destroyers in the Mediterranean. No carriers, it seems we can't put them to sea because the crews aren't properly trained because they been attending sensitivity training classes instead of training for deployment. I #### you not.

Arleigh Burke class destroyer





Power Plant 4 - LM2500 GE Marine Gas Turbines (100,000 shp)
3 Allison 2500 KW Gas Turbine Generators
2 Shafts with CRP (Controllable Reversible Pitch) Propellers
2 Rudders

Length FLIGHT I FLIGHT IIA
505 feet overall
466 feet (142 meters)waterline 509.5-513.0 feet overall

Beam Max 66 Feet
waterline 59 feet (18 meters)
Navigational Draft 31 feet
Displacement FLIGHT I FLIGHT IIA
8,300 tons full load 9,192-9,217 tons full load

Speed 31 knots (36 mph, 57 kph)
Aircraft FLIGHT I FLIGHT IIA
None. LAMPS III electronics installed on landing deck for coordinated DDG 51/helo ASW operations Two multi-purpose Light Airborne Multipurpose System LAMPS MK III helicopters



Weapons:

FLIGHT I FLIGHT IIA
Two MK 41 Vertical Launching Systems (90 Cells)
[Standard missile and Tomahawk ASM/LAM]

Two MK 15 MOD 12 20mm Close-in-Weapons Systems (Phalanx Mounts)


Two Harpoon Anti-shipping Missile
Quad Canisters Two MK 41 Vertical Launching Systems (96 Cells)
[Standard missile and Tomahawk ASM/LAM]

(NATO) Evolved Sea Sparrow
One MK 45 MOD 1 5"/54 caliber Gun Mount (lightweight gun)
Two MK 32 MOD 14 Triple Torpedo Tubes (six MK 50/46 Torpedoes)

DDG-51 ARLEIGH BURKE-class - Navy Ships

 

[Coin]

and the mouth of the Planet, France!

pretty well said.

I see French like the saying: "The dog that barks doesn't bite"

 

[humbolt]

You know, given what Obama said about not taking sides in this thing, it seems only fair to lob a few cruise missiles at the rebels, too.

 

[MMC]

Again, who would fire on it? The answer is not the US...

Okay.....that's one answer that wont be firing on them. I doubt the Brits will. You are aware those Subs can jam Cruise Missiles Correct? Do you think its possible that someone could make it look like someone from the West Fired upon the Russians?

 

[MMC]

The Russians already have 16 ships deployed in the eastern Mediterranean. Putin is beefing up his navy in the Med.

Well we now have 5 Arleigh Burke class destroyers in the Mediterranean. No carriers, it seems we can't put them to sea because the crews aren't properly trained because they been attending sensitivity training classes instead of training for deployment. I #### you not.

Arleigh Burke class destroyer


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Power Plant 4 - LM2500 GE Marine Gas Turbines (100,000 shp)
3 Allison 2500 KW Gas Turbine Generators
2 Shafts with CRP (Controllable Reversible Pitch) Propellers
2 Rudders

Length FLIGHT I FLIGHT IIA
505 feet overall
466 feet (142 meters)waterline 509.5-513.0 feet overall

Beam Max 66 Feet
waterline 59 feet (18 meters)
Navigational Draft 31 feet
Displacement FLIGHT I FLIGHT IIA
8,300 tons full load 9,192-9,217 tons full load

Speed 31 knots (36 mph, 57 kph)
Aircraft FLIGHT I FLIGHT IIA
None. LAMPS III electronics installed on landing deck for coordinated DDG 51/helo ASW operations Two multi-purpose Light Airborne Multipurpose System LAMPS MK III helicopters



Weapons:

FLIGHT I FLIGHT IIA
Two MK 41 Vertical Launching Systems (90 Cells)
[Standard missile and Tomahawk ASM/LAM]

Two MK 15 MOD 12 20mm Close-in-Weapons Systems (Phalanx Mounts)


Two Harpoon Anti-shipping Missile
Quad Canisters Two MK 41 Vertical Launching Systems (96 Cells)
[Standard missile and Tomahawk ASM/LAM]

(NATO) Evolved Sea Sparrow
One MK 45 MOD 1 5"/54 caliber Gun Mount (lightweight gun)
Two MK 32 MOD 14 Triple Torpedo Tubes (six MK 50/46 Torpedoes)

DDG-51 ARLEIGH BURKE-class - Navy Ships

Yeah, I knew about the other Ships at Tartus. Note.....no mention of Subs anywheres.

 

[AlabamaPaul]

Okay.....that's one answer that wont be firing on them. I doubt the Brits will. You are aware those Subs can jam Cruise Missiles Correct? Do you think its possible that someone could make it look like someone from the West Fired upon the Russians?

You're not giving our technology enough credit if you think the Russians could easily jam our cruise missiles...

 

[MMC]

pretty well said.

I see French like the saying: "The dog that barks doesn't bite"

Heya Coin :2wave: .....myself, I think we need to put a gag over their Mouths and kick their manipulating butts Right on out of the Security Counsel. Since they are the one Runnin around and filing all kinds of Actionable Resolutions in the UN.

 

[MMC]

You're not giving our technology enough credit if you think the Russians could easily jam our cruise missiles...

Actually I am.....unlike most. I don't hope for failing Russian technology.

Also you they can give Assad Advanced Warning and then he could deploy the S 300 which can knock out Multiple Cruise Missiles.

 

[APACHERAT]

Yeah, I knew about the other Ships at Tartus. Note.....no mention of Subs anywheres.

Those subs aren't suppose to be seen.

I'm sure the Ruskies have some subs lurking around.

 

[MMC]

Russians are trying to see if we are bluffing.

I doubt the Russians think we are bluffing Higgins......now the French, that would be a different story. Since they can't muster up by themselves.

 

[APACHERAT]

Russians are trying to see if we are bluffing.

I believe the Frogs have already blinked.

The UK seems to be having second thoughts.

Obama is an incompetent Cn'C and has already removed the warrior flag officers from their commands and replaced them with yes men.

In times like these the last thing you want around the POTUS or in the war room are yes men.

 

[Coin]

Heya Coin :2wave: .....myself, I think we need to put a gag over their Mouths and kick their manipulating butts Right on out of the Security Counsel. Since they are the one Runnin around and filing all kinds of Actionable Resolutions in the UN.

Besides of that, every time they pushed the USA and UK to an attack, they loved to threw some missiles, but after the strike finished they left alone the US to fix all the mess the missiles create.
If USA lately lost it's credibility around the world (even that it's not so much imo) it's due to their allies.

Europeans were always too hasty, in all their history. (especially during WW2)

 

[Ray410]

Russians are trying to see if we are bluffing.

Or trying to show us that they are not bluffing.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

and all the while the people of Syria are being slaughtered.

its times like this i really hate politics.

 

[rocket88]

I don't know that they're upping the game. I think they're acting in response to the actions of the USA. We would most certainly do the same if the situations were reversed.

I don't even know that they're doing that. They do things like move ships around sometimes.

 

[shrubnose]

Russia is sending two warships to the east Mediterranean, Interfax news agency said on Thursday, but Moscow denied this meant it was beefing up its naval force there as Western powers prepare for military action against Syria.

Interfax quoted a source in the armed forces' general staff as saying Russia, Syria's most powerful ally, was deploying a missile cruiser from the Black Sea Fleet and a large anti-submarine ship from the Northern Fleet in the "coming days".

"The well-known situation now in the eastern Mediterranean required us to make some adjustments to the naval force," the source said in a reference to the events in Syria.

It was not clear when the vessels would arrive but Interfax said the Moskva missile cruiser was currently in the North Atlantic and would set sail in the next few days.

President Vladimir Putin has said the naval presence is needed to protect national security interests and is not a threat to any nation. Russia cooperates with NATO navies against piracy and its ships call at Western ports.

This is not a new group ... but a planned rotation," an highly-placed navy official who was not identified told state-run RIA news agency.....snip~

Russia sends warships to Mediterranean as Syria tension rises



It appears the Russians are looking to up the game.....with some showboating. Do you think this will garner any response from the West? What do you think about Russia acting a warning system and being able to jam things up in an area for Assad? Guess since the Brits, The French and ourselves have sent ships.....Putin didn't want to be left out of the mix.

Heya SN. :2wave: How ya doing today? Yeah I am sure many would like to see that. These ships could give Assad Early Warning concerning any cruise missiles fired by us. Or the hapless Brits and French.

I was surprised the French sent their Big Transport ship to the Port of Toulon. I still don't see how they can say that was Normal.

Putin laid this out knowing this would impact politically. Which He did want to get that point across. Do you think it will ratchet up things any?

Or trying to show us that they are not bluffing.

Russia is bluffing.

Wait and see.

They won't throw the 1st punch.