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Russia Says They Will End Ukraine War on These Four Conditions

Tigerace117 said:
Your failures are not my problem.
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We're not talking about my failures. We're talking about your grotesque inability to state a point with any coherence. But that ship has sailed.
 
Gnosis said:
We're not talking about my failures. We're talking about your grotesque inability to state a point with any coherence. But that ship has sailed.
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I can only spell it out so simply for you bud.
 
Gnosis said:
I didn't do anything remotely close to that. You seem to have a tenuous grasp on reality. And that was a polite way of saying what I think about you. "Laws of War" and "Geneva Conventions" (don't forget all your extraneous capitalization) are your horse shit, not mine.

I didn't read the rest of your post. I find it insufferable.
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Two points:

[1] I use capitalization as the rules of English grammar provide (not in the way that it is taught in American schools).

[2] I really don't care if you like what I have to say or not.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Two points:

[1] I use capitalization as the rules of English grammar provide (not in the way that it is taught in American schools).

[2] I really don't care if you like what I have to say or not.
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No. No, you do not. I see that you live in Canada, although I don't know if you are also from there. I also don't know your age, but a lot of older people have the same capitalization problems that you have. It's simple overuse.

I didn't ask if you care whether or not I like what you have to say. I told you that you're wrong for attributing some nonexistent confusion between morality and legality to my opinions because you're wrong. You can make all the assumptions and inaccurate characterizations you want. That doesn't make any of them true.
 
The West has always been very loyal to Putin. When Putin annexed the Ukrainian Crimea and Donbass 8 years ago (and before that there were Moldova, Georgia, the bombing of Aleppo), the West only imposed weak sanctions in response, and Western politicians continued to curry favor with Putin. Putin realized that everything was permissible for him, and attacked Ukraine.
 
Gnosis said:
No. No, you do not. I see that you live in Canada, although I don't know if you are also from there. I also don't know your age, but a lot of older people have the same capitalization problems that you have. It's simple overuse.
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I guess that you don't realize that the acceptable standard for written English has declined rather precipitously since the 1960s.

Did you know that less than 50% of all Americans are literate at level 3? Do you even know what "Literacy Level 3" means?

Texts at this level are often dense or lengthy, and include continuous, non-continuous, mixed, or multiple pages of text. Understanding text and rhetorical structures become more central to successfully completing tasks, especially navigating of complex digital texts. Tasks require the respondent to identify, interpret, or evaluate one or more pieces of information, and often require varying levels of inference. Many tasks require the respondent to construct meaning across larger chunks of text or perform multi-step operations in order to identify and formulate responses. Often tasks also demand that the respondent disregard irrelevant or inappropriate content to answer accurately. Competing information is often present, but it is not more prominent than the correct information.
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Did you know that, in the US (and Canada), "Literacy Level 4" and "Literacy Level 5" are considered as a single unit due to the low number of people who are at "Literacy Level 5"?
Gnosis said:
I didn't ask if you care whether or not I like what you have to say. I told you that you're wrong for attributing some nonexistent confusion between morality and legality to my opinions because you're wrong. You can make all the assumptions and inaccurate characterizations you want. That doesn't make any of them true.
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Yes, I quite understand that you actually believe that "immorality" and "illegality" are the same thing and that ONLY your definition of "immorality" is the operative definition.

PS -

Level 1 - "Functional Literacy"

  • Sign their names to a document.
  • Read street signs, maps, and posted directions.
  • Use a directory such as a telephone book or online site to find contact information.
  • Complete standard forms for employment, school enrollment, public library use, etc.
  • Open a checking account and write a check.
  • Use a calculator to figure sums.
  • Read label information on food, medications, cleaning preparations, etc.
  • Pronounce words clearly enough to be understood by clerks, teachers, and others who may be unfamiliar with their speech patterns.
  • Know where they can go for help with transactions that require a higher level of literacy.
  • Read simple picture books to their children.
Level 2 - "Basic Literacy"

  • Level 1 plus the following
  • Can write a handwritten note that the recipient can read without struggling to decipher the letters or the meaning.
  • Can spell everyday vocabulary such as definite and calendar correctly without digital help.
  • Are not intimidated by “big words” because they know how to use a dictionary to check the spelling, meaning, and pronunciation of an unfamiliar word.
  • Know how to speak more than one dialect of English and when to speak which.
  • Know the most basic grammatical rules of standard American English.
  • Know how to find information in the old technology called “books.”
  • Sometimes prefer reading to TV.
  • Have a general notion of US history and the United States form of government.
  • Have a general acquaintance with significant English works of literature.
  • Have a general notion of world geography, history, religion, and literature.
  • Can think critically about statements made in such different contexts as advertising, entertainment, news reporting, and books written in an earlier century.
 
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Level 3 - "Proficiency Literacy"

  • Level 2 plus the following
  • Sufficient general knowledge and reading fluency to be able to read and understand (without the help of a teacher) texts written for a general reader since 1900.
  • The ability to spell all the words in one’s speaking vocabulary.
  • The ability to write legibly and in complete sentences.
  • The ability to write a structured, well supported, carefully revised and edited essay suitable for beginning college work.
  • The habit of reading for enjoyment.
  • A basic knowledge of US history and government.
  • A general idea of the development of English language and literature.
  • A basic knowledge of world history and world literature in translation.
  • The ability to speak and write a standard form of English when appropriate.
  • One or two years of foreign language study.
  • The ability to consider differing points of view without becoming angry or defensive.
Level 4 - "Advanced Literacy"

  • Level 3 plus the following
  • Reads widely on many different topics.
  • Reads deeply on subjects of special interest.
  • Is curious about words and understands that usage is not static.
  • Takes care to model standard speech to children and to ESL learners.
  • Adjusts usage and idiom according to whether the context is formal or informal.
  • Speaks a foreign language well enough to communicate with a native speaker of it.
  • Often seeks to verify the truth of information reported as fact in the media.
  • Understands how language is used to persuade.
  • Thinks critically, interpreting speech and writing in context.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
I guess that you don't realize that the acceptable standard for written English has declined rather precipitously since the 1960s.

Did you know that less than 50% of all Americans are literate at level 3? Do you even know what "Literacy Level 3" means?
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Texts at this level are often dense or lengthy, and include continuous, non-continuous, mixed, or multiple pages of text. Understanding text and rhetorical structures become more central to successfully completing tasks, especially navigating of complex digital texts. Tasks require the respondent to identify, interpret, or evaluate one or more pieces of information, and often require varying levels of inference. Many tasks require the respondent to construct meaning across larger chunks of text or perform multi-step operations in order to identify and formulate responses. Often tasks also demand that the respondent disregard irrelevant or inappropriate content to answer accurately. Competing information is often present, but it is not more prominent than the correct information.​
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Did you know that, in the US (and Canada), "Literacy Level 4" and "Literacy Level 5" are considered as a single unit due to the low number of people who are at "Literacy Level 5"?

Yes, I quite understand that you actually believe that "immorality" and "illegality" are the same thing and that ONLY your definition of "immorality" is the operative definition.

PS -
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Level 1 - "Functional Literacy"​
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  • Sign their names to a document.
  • Read street signs, maps, and posted directions.
  • Use a directory such as a telephone book or online site to find contact information.
  • Complete standard forms for employment, school enrollment, public library use, etc.
  • Open a checking account and write a check.
  • Use a calculator to figure sums.
  • Read label information on food, medications, cleaning preparations, etc.
  • Pronounce words clearly enough to be understood by clerks, teachers, and others who may be unfamiliar with their speech patterns.
  • Know where they can go for help with transactions that require a higher level of literacy.
  • Read simple picture books to their children.

Level 2 - "Basic Literacy"​
​
  • Level 1 plus the following
  • Can write a handwritten note that the recipient can read without struggling to decipher the letters or the meaning.
  • Can spell everyday vocabulary such as definite and calendar correctly without digital help.
  • Are not intimidated by “big words” because they know how to use a dictionary to check the spelling, meaning, and pronunciation of an unfamiliar word.
  • Know how to speak more than one dialect of English and when to speak which.
  • Know the most basic grammatical rules of standard American English.
  • Know how to find information in the old technology called “books.”
  • Sometimes prefer reading to TV.
  • Have a general notion of US history and the United States form of government.
  • Have a general acquaintance with significant English works of literature.
  • Have a general notion of world geography, history, religion, and literature.
  • Can think critically about statements made in such different contexts as advertising, entertainment, news reporting, and books written in an earlier century.
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You "understand" that I "believe" that immorality and illegality are "the same thing"? Do you? 😂

Continue making dumpster fire errors like that while telling us all what a brilliant English writer you are. Please. 😂
 
And this is about Western "Free" Media:
UK media regulator Ofcom pulls RT's license to broadcast with immediate effect - despite citing that no breaches have been made for the previous four years
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So all this tales about "free" media in the West, are actuall full scale lies. Period.
 
dandolo2k said:
And this is about Western "Free" Media:

So all this tales about "free" media in the West, are actuall full scale lies. Period.
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"Russia Today" is, in fact if not in law, a propaganda organ of the Russian government (exactly as "Radio America" is a propaganda organ of the American government). As such it is as subject to being sanctioned as any other organ of the Russian government.

Why the British government should grant permission for a propaganda organ of an not very friendly government to use facilities regulated by the British government is beyond me. (On the other hand, the faux-outrage coming from a Russian propagandist is completely understandable.)
 
Integrityrespec said:
Follow history. When Chamberlain first met with Hitler, Hitler laid out his want list. Chamberlain went to the French and got them to agree to revoke their pledge to defend Czechoslovakia. Chamberlain returned to Germany and told Hitler, Hitler's demands suddenly grew greater. Chamberlain cowered and when he returned for the 3rd meeting, Hitler got all he asked for.
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My post was an oblique reference to the condition that Trump wanted Zelensky to meet for giving Ukraine the $ promised. I don't know that your reply is applicable to my clarification.
 
bluesmoke said:
My post was an oblique reference to the condition that Trump wanted Zelensky to meet for giving Ukraine the $ promised. I don't know that your reply is applicable to my clarification.
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I'm always amused when people say "follow history" when they appear to be totally unaware of the surrounding circumstances.

"Munich" has to be viewed in the light of the fact that both Britain and France has lost a proportion of their militarily eligible (male) population that vastly exceeded the losses that the US suffered. The US lost around 0.71% of its militarily eligible (male) population, Britain lost around 9.92% (about 13.97 times the proportion that the US lost), and France lost around 16.43% (about 23.14 times the proportion that the US lost).

From those numbers it's reasonably obvious that the leaders of Britain and France (many of whom had actually served in combat in WWI) were "slightly" more reluctant to see a new war starting up than were the Americans (who, at the time of "Munich") were firmly opposed

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to sending even one American soldier off to "fight another European war". Admittedly, when those polls were taken it looked like the "smart" place to bet on the outcome of WWII was "Germany Wins".

In all likelihood, had it been up to the American people in 1940, they would have been greatly in favour of giving Germany any territory it wanted to have (except for any part of the United States of America or its colonial holdings).
 
dandolo2k said:
So how did it sound? The wind of Change ? Seems like it has fetched new currency for you, guys, our valuable western "partners"!
Let me introduce it to you: The RUBLE , the official payment check of RF!!!!

Seems like nobody knows how do they look like ? its time to learn something new))

Thank you , mr Biden ! Go on...
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Well, just to help you along, this is what the Russian 200 Ruble bank note looks like.

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at the latest exchange rate that I have, that bank note and

US 2 DOLLAR BILL.webp​

are worth the same amount (and I suspect that you have likely seen as many of one as you have of the other).
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Well, just to help you along, this is what the Russian 200 Ruble bank note looks like.


at the latest exchange rate that I have, that bank note and


are worth the same amount (and I suspect that you have likely seen as many of one as you have of the other).
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already not the same, alas (( Dollar costs 85 roubles already, not 100, time to take away your rosy glasses. What's about your suspicion, I haven't seen dollars for many years. Nobody needs them, sorry for that guys. But you better collect this paper, cause as I heard, there are sometimes very cold perionds in US in terms of weather conditions. You will burn this useless paper checks and .... propbably survive!
 
dandolo2k said:
already not the same, alas (( Dollar costs 85 roubles already, not 100, time to take away your rosy glasses.
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Today's XE quoted exchange rate is "1 Rouble = $0.011 United States Dollar" that works out to ~ 91 Roubles to the Dollar. The figure I cited was the exchange rate as of the time I cited it.
dandolo2k said:
What's about your suspicion, I haven't seen dollars for many years. Nobody needs them, sorry for that guys.
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You have a good point. Why not just go down to your friendly neighbourhood bank and tell them that you will only charge them 100 Roubles a pound to cart away all of the useless American currency that is cluttering up their vaults. Don't take "No." for an answer. In fact, don't even take "Вы сумасшедший, и если вы немедленно не уберетесь отсюда, я вызову полицию и арестую вас." ("You are a raving madman and if you don't get out of here immediately I am going to call the police and have you arrested.") for an answer. Stand up for your rights.
dandolo2k said:
But you better collect this paper, cause as I heard, there are sometimes very cold perionds in US in terms of weather conditions. You will burn this useless paper checks and .... propbably survive!
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Just lie down and breathe deeply, the attack will pass.
 
Russia wants some conditions?

Requirements from Russia to see the lifting of sanctions to be added to any permanent peace deal:

- Vladimir Putin steps down as President of Russia.
- Pullout of all Russian troops from Ukrainian territory, including the so-called "separatist" areas & Crimea.
- Cessation of Russian weapons deliveries to the so-called "separatist" areas & Crimea.
- All individuals, Military & Civilian, alleged to have been involved in war crimes as determined by the International Criminal Court must turn themselves in to the ICC for trial.
- Russia agrees to forfeit permanent seat & veto power on United Nations Security Council for 10 years.
- Russia pays the full tab for any damage done to Ukraine's infrastructure, such as utilities, roads, bridges & highways and transportation infrastructure (railways, airports & buses), gov't buildings and any memorials to military and/or civilian individuals or groups.
 
Roadvirus said:
Russia wants some conditions?

Requirements from Russia to see the lifting of sanctions to be added to any permanent peace deal:

- Vladimir Putin steps down as President of Russia.
- Pullout of all Russian troops from Ukrainian territory, including the so-called "separatist" areas & Crimea.
- Cessation of Russian weapons deliveries to the so-called "separatist" areas & Crimea.
- All individuals, Military & Civilian, alleged to have been involved in war crimes as determined by the International Criminal Court must turn themselves in to the ICC for trial.
- Russia agrees to forfeit permanent seat & veto power on United Nations Security Council for 10 years.
- Russia pays the full tab for any damage done to Ukraine's infrastructure, such as utilities, roads, bridges & highways and transportation infrastructure (railways, airports & buses), gov't buildings and any memorials to military and/or civilian individuals or groups.
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Didn't you forget "A chicken in every pot, and two cars in every garage"?
 
Roadvirus said:
Russia wants some conditions?

Requirements from Russia to see the lifting of sanctions to be added to any permanent peace deal:

- Vladimir Putin steps down as President of Russia.
- Pullout of all Russian troops from Ukrainian territory, including the so-called "separatist" areas & Crimea.
- Cessation of Russian weapons deliveries to the so-called "separatist" areas & Crimea.
- All individuals, Military & Civilian, alleged to have been involved in war crimes as determined by the International Criminal Court must turn themselves in to the ICC for trial.
- Russia agrees to forfeit permanent seat & veto power on United Nations Security Council for 10 years.
- Russia pays the full tab for any damage done to Ukraine's infrastructure, such as utilities, roads, bridges & highways and transportation infrastructure (railways, airports & buses), gov't buildings and any memorials to military and/or civilian individuals or groups.
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-Putin surrenders himself to stand trial for war crimes also
 
TomFitz said:
Sorry for your feelings, but the Hitler comparison applies exactly, as several other posters have already noted.

There is no more reason to take Putin at his word that there was with Hitler.

Like Hitler, Putin has made no secret of his territorial or influence ambition.

We all know that a Russian victory, even one like the one you reccomend (which would be a Russian victory, considering that he get everything he asked for), would only emboldens Putin to take the next step. Either bullying the former Warsaw Pact members or moving on the Stans.

Putin will probably pick Europe, as his objective is the make the West look weak and Russia look powerful.

I don not care of Russia will hand back Crimea willingly.

And I see no reason to cede Donetsk and Luhansk to Russia.

The idea of a plebicite on a region that is effectively controlled by Russian forces is the most cynical of ideas, given the rampant corruption in Russian elections and Putin’s disdain for democracy in general.

And yes, you’ve tried to disguise it.

But you’re still calling for appeasing Putin.

And no, that’s not going to happen.
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just curious , what are we going to do if Russia takes all of Ukraine eventually?
 
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