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Rush Limbaugh attacked by Caller

Zyphlin said:
I think the way to save the Republican party is the reign in the social side of it, but not destroy it.
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This sounds nice, but its too vague.
Pro Lifers are Intractable.
Give me a Real Solution to their Litmus Test Veto Power that doesn't throw that plank out.
 
Phelps isn't a republican. He has run for political office as a democrat and has hosted fundraisers for Al Gore who happily attended.

Can you imagine how much he is hated by the religious right because of his treatment of our troops? That's like rule #1 to the right, don't mess with our troops.

Rasmussen just came out with a poll that says democrats and republicans are even again when you ask people which party they will vote for in the next local election. The sky is not falling for the republicans.
 
Zyphlin said:
I think the way to save the Republican party is the reign in the social side of it, but not destroy it. Increase the power and scope of the fiscal and governmental pillars.
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I completely disagree. The Republican party will need to focus on *decreasing* power and scope. Our current administration is continuing the same path the dubyah administration has started.

And work together to try to find a way to address the new issues of the post 9/11 era while touching back to traditional conservative views on intervention, nation building, and world policing.
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My personal belief is that we will have zero choice on going back to traditional conservatism because there will be no funds to continue our current trend. Our economy will continue to be the staple for a long time to come.
 
Voidwar said:
Ok Alec Baldwin . . . .

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Taking a voter block for granted because "where else will they go" has to be one of the dumbest mindsets in the world.

What the GOP needs to do is focus on limited government, lower taxes, strong national defense and maintaining a focus on social values however... letting the state parties focus that message for their state and pushing it would be much smarter then a hard national line on certain issues.

Abandoning values that are core to the Conservative base, in hopes of attracting moderates while taking the base for granted is... folly.
 
vauge said:
I completely disagree. The Republican party will need to focus on *decreasing* power and scope. Our current administration is continuing the same path the dubyah administration has started.
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/pokes vague to go look at his Pillars of Conservatism post.

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Increasing the scope and power of the Fiscal and Governmental Pillars of Conservatism WOULD be the shrinking of the government and of the budget.

Quick explanation. I think there are four pillars of conservatism. Social (upholding of traditions and values), Fiscal (balanced budget, low taxes), Governmental (small government, little government involvement), and Militaristic (no nation building, strong military).

Lately, the Republican Party has been STRONGLY favoring the Social Pillar, and about half of the Militaristic Pillar, regulating the fiscal to a secondary thing and all but ignoring governmental.

What I'm saying is that they need to reign in the Social pillar as far as its message and power within the party goes while increasing the prescense and reliance upon the message of the fiscal and governmental pillars.

My personal belief is that we will have zero choice on going back to traditional conservatism because there will be no funds to continue our current trend. Our economy will continue to be the staple for a long time to come.
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I think we can move back to traditioanl conservatism, but its got to be part of a progress not a one stop shot. I think one of my big issues with Ron Paul was because the man could not take his ideas and express them in a more realistic and simple way that people can actually see happening. Everything was "pull out NOW", "Close down the Department of Education", "Get rid of the Fed", etc.

People don't do well with massive shake ups.

But I think if Republicans start putting forth a balanced conservative message again they could potentially progressively strip away the pieces of government that they feel are problematic. The key will be not getting in and immedietely going all Social focused again.
 
sazerac said:
Phelps isn't a republican.
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You cannot deny that the Phleps ideology is more closely related to conservatives and Republicans than liberals and Democrats.
 
TheNextEra said:
You cannot deny that the Phleps ideology is more closely related to conservatives and Republicans than liberals and Democrats.
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The guy is a nut end of story.
 
TheNextEra said:
You cannot deny that the Phleps ideology is more closely related to conservatives and Republicans than liberals and Democrats.
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Why because he believes in God and hates gays... well hell I believe in God and I don't support Gay Marriage... I Must attend his CHURCH!

:roll:

TNE, which party supports people that protest the military? Conservatives do not, yet liberals do.

Which party is in general, far more activist, and supports in your face protests? Should we quote The One on getting in peoples faces?

See how ridiculous your claim is? Phelps is wackjobnutcasemoron. Just for him, that's a new word.

Phelps and his followers could all die tomorrow in a bus crash and I think you'd see liberals and conservatives, Atheist and Believers come together in glorious celebration and rejoicing.
 
You cannot deny that the Phleps ideology is more closely related to conservatives and Republicans than liberals and Democrats.
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Most democrats do not support gay marriage. I don't know why they think they are so good and liberal. And it's democrats that call our troops baby killers.. They rejoice at the idea of Phelps attacking them.

If he hangs out with Al Gore he can't be any kind of republican.
 
MrVicchio said:
Why because he believes in God and hates gays... well hell I believe in God and I don't support Gay Marriage... I Must attend his CHURCH!

:roll:

TNE, which party supports people that protest the military? Conservatives do not, yet liberals do.

Which party is in general, far more activist, and supports in your face protests? Should we quote The One on getting in peoples faces?

See how ridiculous your claim is? Phelps is wackjobnutcasemoron. Just for him, that's a new word.

Phelps and his followers could all die tomorrow in a bus crash and I think you'd see liberals and conservatives, Atheist and Believers come together in glorious celebration and rejoicing.
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Then I guess all liberals attend Rev Wrights church, like Obama. ;)
 
I'd even honestly say Rev Wright is more on par on terms of outrageousness as a Patterson or Farwell than a Phelps.

Phelps is a whackjob in his own area code completely
 
MrVicchio said:
Why because he believes in God and hates gays... well hell I believe in God and I don't support Gay Marriage... I Must attend his CHURCH!
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Where did I say conservatives are exaclty like phelps? I said the ideologoy of conservatives and Republicans is more closely related to Phelps THAN Liberals or Dems.

You really need to read and understand context better. Nowhere did I say that Republicans are exactly like Phelps.

MrVicchio said:
TNE, which party supports people that protest the military? Conservatives do not, yet liberals do.
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Yes, I know you don't support freedom of speech.

MrVicchio said:
Which party is in general, far more activist, and supports in your face protests? Should we quote The One on getting in peoples faces?
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Again, you would have deny the context in which Obama said that in for it to be true.

MrVicchio said:
See how ridiculous your claim is? Phelps is wackjobnutcasemoron. Just for him, that's a new word.
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Sorry but what I said was entirely true if you read the whole thing, which you didn't.
 
American said:
Then I guess all liberals attend Rev Wrights church, like Obama. ;)
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Where did I say all conservatives and Republicans follow Phelps? Another conservative that jumped the gun without reading.
 
By this illogic, Stalin, pol pot, and kim jong il are more aligned with liberals and democrats.
 
sazerac said:
And it's democrats that call our troops baby killers.. They rejoice at the idea of Phelps attacking them.
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Care to prove your statement with facts instead of rhetoric?
 
TheNextEra said:
Care to prove your statement with facts instead of rhetoric?
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Would you care to show us how right wingers support Phelps? The only thing we know is that he ran for office twice as a democrat and that he raises money for democrats.

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TheNextEra said:
No you are just pissed because what I said was true, if you read the entire thing which you didn't.
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I don't get pissed at your amusing antics, sorry. :rofl




Liberals are more like stalin according to your "logic". Check. :ssst:
 
TheNextEra said:
Where did I say conservatives are exaclty like phelps? I said the ideologoy of conservatives and Republicans is more closely related to Phelps THAN Liberals or Dems.

You really need to read and understand context better. Nowhere did I say that Republicans are exactly like Phelps.
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You implied something, I took that and made a counter point to it, now you are in defensive mode.


TheNextEra said:
Yes, I know you don't support freedom of speech.
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Lol, you wanna show where I support government restricting free speech? Let's hear it, you claim it, now BACK IT UP or retract your absurd notion.



TheNextEra said:
Again, you would have deny the context in which Obama said that in for it to be true.
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You asked for it...

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TheNextEra said:
Sorry but what I said was entirely true if you read the whole thing, which you didn't.
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No, what you said was silly, and I called you out for your silliness and now you are trying to cover yourself.

Seriously, you insult conservatives, and then act shocked when we stand up and refute you. Amazingly arrogant of you.
 
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Rush attacked? Why do they go after the soft, easy targets? The poor man needs our help. Every conservative here should send him money....
 
Moderator's Warning:
Alright, enough of the Phelps thing. Its starting to just devolve into personal attacks and an incredibly off topic tangent. Take it to another thread if you wish but ed it in this one
 
Why / How was my picture of Alec Baldwin screwed up ? ?
 
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