Rush Got It Wrong. Sandra Fluke In Her Own Words

[Middleground]

Again, I am not arguing wether the government should have paid or not. I am only arguing that the government clearly denied the request and would not pay - there are other examples of this also.

Now that we have established that the government will deny care, will you acknowledge that the government had to review the records, or do you believe they made the denial without any knoweldge of the case at all?

If the parents wanted to bring the kid to another province for treatment, the government wouldn't care. See what I'm saying here? Read the linked article please and stop hanging onto this one particular story!

 

[Middleground]

And the state should have no say in religion. Anyway, an exception has already been made, so let the worms open.

It might be interesting, to say the least. Can't wait to see what the Baptists, Jehovah's and Muslims are going to do.

 

[buck]

If the parents wanted to bring the kid to another province for treatment, the government wouldn't care. See what I'm saying here? Read the linked article please and stop hanging onto this one particular story!

Possibly, but that's not at all what I discussed, though. The allocation officials indicated they would no longer pay for the life support in the Canadian system. The government made a decision to stop paying. This is not the first and will not be the last time they made a decision on what they would pay for. They had to have reviewed the medical records to reach a decision, if not - that's just scary.

In the US, we have insurance companies that review the medical records to decide if coverage will be provided. As I previously said, most Americans would not want the government to have access to this type of info. Americans tend to trust business more than the government - probably something having to do with our history.

 

[Hikertrash]

I am sorry, but you seem to be arguing something that I am not. I am not aruging if it is socialized. I am not arguing whos care is better. I am simply arguing that hte government, who pays for the medical care, can and do deny payment/service. This is evidenced in the story I provided, where the government's allocation officials denied care.

There are thousands of instances where private insurance providers deny services.

 

[Gie]

Possibly, but that's not at all what I discussed, though. The allocation officials indicated they would no longer pay for the life support in the Canadian system. The government made a decision to stop paying. This is not the first and will not be the last time they made a decision on what they would pay for. They had to have reviewed the medical records to reach a decision, if not - that's just scary.

In the US, we have insurance companies that review the medical records to decide if coverage will be provided. As I previously said, most Americans would not want the government to have access to this type of info. Americans tend to trust business more than the government - probably something having to do with our history.

You've got to constantly remind the brick wall what you said, over and over again. You've got to constantly remind the brick wall what you were actually discussing in the same conversation. Over and over again. In the end, you are speaking to an ideological brick wall sometimes and despite your best and kindest efforts, you realize why people don't talk to brick walls.

Told you so. Good man though, I doof my hat to your chivalrous nature.

 

[Middleground]

Possibly, but that's not at all what I discussed, though. The allocation officials indicated they would no longer pay for the life support in the Canadian system. The government made a decision to stop paying. This is not the first and will not be the last time they made a decision on what they would pay for. They had to have reviewed the medical records to reach a decision, if not - that's just scary.

In the US, we have insurance companies that review the medical records to decide if coverage will be provided. As I previously said, most Americans would not want the government to have access to this type of info. Americans tend to trust business more than the government - probably something having to do with our history.

Honestly Buck, this is a rare case. There are more details in this story (link below). But let me assure you that it does not go to the Supreme Court often. In fact, this case reminds me a bit of Terry Schiavo. The Canadian system is pretty much the NPR story. In fact, it's very accurate.


Canada News: Windsor family refuses court order to let baby die - thestar.com

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

The religious organizations are often setup and run by the church. So, they are directly involved and are being required to go against their teachings.

Which of these "religious organizations" enjoy the same tax exempt status like churches do? They are not the same as the churches they are run by.

It's easy for someone that is not affected to say "it's fair". Not so easy for those that are negatively affected to agree.

I'd say it make me more objective.

 

[buck]

There are thousands of instances where private insurance providers deny services.

Of course. I never indicated anything else. In fact, I used to be a claims exampiner and have denied many claims personally.

 

[Gie]

Of course. I never indicated anything else. In fact, I used to be a claims exampiner and have denied many claims personally.

Cripes! Sometimes the brick wall has thick baboon like hair and only one BIG eye on it! What can I say? Once again, I doof my hat to your chivalrous nature! Do you get the idea you are getting locked into a type of causality loop where you have to explain the obvious repeatedly to a hairy one BIG eyed brick wall? That sort of causality loop? I do.

Goodnight.

 

[buck]

Which of these "religious organizations" enjoy the same tax exempt status like churches do? They are not the same as the churches they are run by.

First, I didn't realize that in order to be able to participate in religious freedom, the religious organizaiton had to be tax exempt. Second, the catholic universities and charities are typically tax exempt.

I'd say it make me more objective.

You might say that, but you would be wrong. But, if you are consistent, I don't care.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

First, I didn't realize that in order to be able to participate in religious freedom, the religious organizaiton had to be tax exempt. Second, the catholic universities and charities are typically tax exempt.

There is a reason churches are tax exempt but their other organizations are not. That being the state has no business in church. It's the same reason their other organizations are treated differently. And as far as I'm aware, any other religious organizations which enjoy tax exempt status is because they are non-profit organizations, not because they are church affiliated.

You might say that, but you would be wrong. But, if you are consistent, I don't care.

You may think so, but you don't seem to be in the most objective position to be accurate. eace

 

[buck]

You may think so, but you don't seem to be in the most objective position to be accurate.eace

Im not catholic and believe that women should use the pill. According to your prior reuirement, I am objective. Now you claim I am not because I disagree with you. I rather knew you would have a tough time staying consistent. I just didn't expect it to occur so quickly.

 

[mertex]

Blah, blah, blah.

If this lady doesn't like the insurance plan she has, she should take her money out of it and go buy a plan she DOES like...not try to get the government to issue a mandate to the insurance company. You know...kind of like "freaking taking care of yourself".

Yeah, blah, blah, blah.

Let's see how you feel in November when women that are not Stepford wives refuse to vote for the Republican clown who has no spine and can't stand up for women. Romney has no spine, afraid of Rush, and he thinks he can be President? Don't think so.

 

[digsbe]

Birth control, for the purposes of pregnancy, should not be mandated as covered or free. Rush is wrong, and so is Sandra.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Im not catholic and believe that women should use the pill. According to your prior reuirement, I am objective. Now you claim I am not because I disagree with you. I rather knew you would have a tough time staying consistent. I just didn't expect it to occur so quickly.

You appear rather confused. I didn't suggest you weren't in a position to render an objective opinion because you disagree with me over the pill or religion; but rather over your opinion that I, being removed from the situation, am not in an objective position to offer an opinion.

 

[Removable Mind]

Birth control, for the purposes of pregnancy, should not be mandated as covered or free. Rush is wrong, and so is Sandra.

I think birth control pills need to be over the counter accessible in every grocery, pharmacy, and convenient store everwhere...and cost no more than ordinary aspirin.

 

[digsbe]

I think birth control pills need to be over the counter accessible in every grocery, pharmacy, and convenient store everwhere...and cost no more than ordinary aspirin.

Absolutely not. Hormone therapies should not be administered like that without a healthcare provider's supervision.

 

[winston53660]

I think birth control pills need to be over the counter accessible in every grocery, pharmacy, and convenient store everwhere...and cost no more than ordinary aspirin.

Aspirin is not that cheap. It can cost upwards of 12 dollars for 15 pills. And these are not pills one has to take every day to be effective like the "pill" has to be taken.

 

[Removable Mind]

Absolutely not. Hormone therapies should not be administered like that without a healthcare provider's supervision.

Whose talking about hormone therapy, Digsbe...? I said "birth control" pills...

 

[digsbe]

Whose talking about hormone therapy, Digsbe...? I said "birth control" pills...

The vast majority of birth control pills work through hormone therapy and regulation of the menstrual cycle/ovulation.

 

[Removable Mind]

Aspirin is not that cheap. It can cost upwards of 12 dollars for 15 pills. And these are not pills one has to take every day to be effective like the "pill" has to be taken.

Well, I take aspirin everyday because I have to. I can get a 500 count bottle pretty cheap...GENERIC of course. But I do agree with you in that brand name aspirin has gotten crazy.

 

[Removable Mind]

The vast majority of birth control pills work through hormone therapy and regulation of the menstrual cycle/ovulation.

Digsbe...I'm an old man, been around awhile...and I do clearly understand what birth control pills are used for...and yes, HT is one use. But I dare say, the majority take them for the reason you so hate.

 

[digsbe]

Digsbe...I'm an old man, been around awhile...and I do clearly understand what birth control pills are used for...and yes, HT is one use. But I dare say, the majority take them for the reason you so hate.

Hate? I don't hate birth control and I don't view contraception as immoral. Also, I've personally dispensed and sold hundreds (if not thousands) of birth control prescriptions. I'm saying that birth control pills should not go otc because they are a form of hormone therapy that prevents pregnancy. Most birth control pills are a combination of estrogen and progesterone (hormones) that prevent ovulation or make the uterus unable to receive a fertilized egg. It's a form of hormone therapy that's purpose is to prevent pregnancy. The mode of action is hormone driven.

 

[mertex]

Birth control, for the purposes of pregnancy, should not be mandated as covered or free. Rush is wrong, and so is Sandra.

So, should Viagra be covered? It has been for years and I haven't heard a single Rep/con complain about it.

Birth control pills are cheaper for the insurance companies than pre-natal care, delivery, abortion and pediatric care. So, why don't you let the insurance companies argue about that instead of speaking for them?

 

[Jerry]

So, should Viagra be covered? It has been for years and I haven't heard a single Rep/con complain about it.

Birth control pills are cheaper for the insurance companies than pre-natal care, delivery, abortion and pediatric care. So, why don't you let the insurance companies argue about that instead of speaking for them?

rof Viagra works for men and women.