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Rush Got It Wrong. Sandra Fluke In Her Own Words

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I'm sorry, Hikertrash, I could only bear to listen to three minutes of this bleeding heart liberal with her "woe is me" attitude.

Now, I can probably accurately imagine what the rest of her speech says and my only response to her is...

Freaking take care of yourself, lady. The government isn't your mommy and daddy.
No, you can not "Accurately imagine", you can only speculate. Finishing one's sentence and then criticizing what you think they are saying is not only unintellectual, its rude. Sorry, either hear someone out and then respond. If you don't have the patience for that, then don't waste our time with your unintelligent comments.

Way too much of American politics is all about what you think the other guy is saying, without ever hearing him say it. People watch Fox News (or MSNBC) and then feel sufficiently informed to comment on the other side; but they really have no clue.
 

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No, you can not "Accurately imagine", you can only speculate. Finishing one's sentence and then criticizing what you think they are saying is not only unintellectual, its rude. Sorry, either hear someone out and then respond. If you don't have the patience for that, then don't waste our time with your unintelligent comments.

Way too much of American politics is all about what you think the other guy is saying, without ever hearing him say it. People watch Fox News (or MSNBC) and then feel sufficiently informed to comment on the other side; but they really have no clue.
Oh, all I had to do was read the various comments in this thread to know that I was correct in my prediction of her words...and my response to her words.

Anyway, upsideguy, why are you talking about me? Do you think I'm THAT important?

I don't.
 

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You have absolutely not reviewed this and the VARIOUS other threads where I et al have repeated ad nauseam that the issue is not BC prescribed for medical conditions which I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH insurance covering nor does Georgetown U as Ms Fluke stated.
You could probably shout that from the mountain tops and put it on the big billboard in Times Square and still not get a single one of the posters it was aimed at to "recognize" the fact. Clearly and demonstrably. It is tough to get the same tuckered out and tired workers that stuffed the Scarecrow to immediately un-stuff him.
 

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I think Republicans again are burying themselves. Not only do they oppose universal health insurance - many people don't - now Republicans oppose insurance by employers itself in toto.

Republicans should then stop complaining about property taxes - as that is how indigent emergency room care is paid for.
 

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You have absolutely no idea why many women take BC. You might as well have been one of the 5 panelists.

For you info, abstinence does not help with hormones and other various women's health issues. Just sayin.
Most radical rightwing social moralists never trouble themselves with facts. Its only platitudes and slogans detached from realities.
 

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The left talks as if it's some huge percentage of women that use BC for reasons other than getting pregnant. Only about 14% use the pill to prevent cysts and the like. The remaining 86% use the pill to prevent pregnancy. Requiring religious organizations to cover the pill for the vast majority is, as Rush said, paying them to have sex. I agree, if we have to pay them to have sex, we better get some videographic proof.
Give me proof of this. Because if true, I would be shocked as hell. Until then, I will not take your word for it.
 

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Doesn't the pill have some pretty serious associated risk like blood clots for instance? Makes me wonder how women ever survived withouth "the pill". Just sayin
Only when age and/or smoking become factors. I stopped taking the pill when I was about 35.
 

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The pill works for everyone and is $4-$10. But even by the numbers you like it takes 16-30 years to reach the 3 year number this young lady came up with. She's still a liar.
Your message is foolish and I suspect driven to fit your overall social platitudes.

Doctors will not fill or refill BC prescriptions without examinations. OH, that's right, you don't know doctors don't see patients for free, do you? Do I now get to call you a "liar?" No, rather your message is just foolish.
It also is foolish for a woman (or man) to rely ONLY on hormonal birth control, meaning also a condom. Oh, that's right, you never heard of AIDs, HIV and other STDs, have you? Because you openly oppose condoms, your's seems not only a foolish but also dangerous perspective.
 

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Give me proof of this. Because if true, I would be shocked as hell. Until then, I will not take your word for it.
I looked it up in yahoo and found a study. You are free to do the same. Or else continue to believe what you want.
 

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You have absolutely not reviewed this and the VARIOUS other threads where I et al have repeated ad nauseam that the issue is not BC prescribed for medical conditions which I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH insurance covering nor does Georgetown U as Ms Fluke stated.

And I say that it's absolutely ridiculous for anyone to question my doc and have to be aware of my medical conditions. Do you want your employer to know why you have a limp dick and need Viagara?


I understand now the tactic and how effective it is. The Democrat/liberal/progressive ploy was to suggest BC be covered by all packages including religious entities then divert the discussion to women’s health, hormone issues, Viagra availability and others until the Republican/conservative/libertarian’s scream rage as if their hair was on fire as my head is about to EXPLODE with the constant diversion from the initial issue. Congratulations, good tactic…it is working.

Blah, blah, blah.
 
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The pill works for everyone and is $4-$10. But even by the numbers you like it takes 16-30 years to reach the 3 year number this young lady came up with. She's still a liar.
Untrue. There are MANY DIFFERENT types of BC pills. A generic one will not work for everyone.

Planned Parenthood says $15-$50 and I'd say that is about right.
 

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Rush lied?

No-ooooo...

Do you think he's been lying his entire career, misleading his audience, and filling their heads with vile ignorant crap... For decades he's been doing this??

So, a certain sector of the population that listens to his show has vile hateful thoughts in their heads.


Wow, good thing he is paid so well to corrupt people and their thinking, making them angry and hateful.
Rush does not inspire people to hate. He's a harmless loveable little fuzzball.
 

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I looked it up in yahoo and found a study. You are free to do the same. Or else continue to believe what you want.
So let me get this straight.

You state "facts" without backing them up, and I am supposed to go looking for them?

Sorry, you lose.
 

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And I say that it's absolutely ridiculous for anyone to question my doc and have be aware of my medical conditions. Do you want your employer to know why you have a limp dick and need Viagara?
An insurance company does and should have access to my medical records to ensure that treatment is for a medical condition. If I work somewhere that is self-insured, they have the right to access my medical records and determine that treatment I am recieving is medically necessary. BUt I have to admit, you really are good with the emotional arguments. In other words, you make a great liberal.
 

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I looked it up in yahoo and found a study. You are free to do the same. Or else continue to believe what you want.
Here ya go, Buck. Educate yourself:

MANY AMERICAN WOMEN USE BIRTH CONTROL PILLS FOR NONCONTRACEPTIVE REASONS
One-Third of Teen Users Rely on the Pill Exclusively
for These Purposes
The most common reason U.S. women use oral contraceptive pills is to prevent pregnancy, but 14% of pill users—1.5 million women—rely on them exclusively for noncontraceptive purposes. The study documenting this finding, “Beyond Birth Control: The Overlooked Benefits of Oral Contraceptive Pills,” by Rachel K. Jones of the Guttmacher Institute, also found that more than half (58%) of all pill users rely on the method, at least in part, for purposes other than pregnancy prevention—meaning that only 42% use the pill exclusively for contraceptive reasons.
Many American Women Use Birth Control Pills for Noncontraceptive Reasons
 

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An insurance company does and should have access to my medical records to ensure that treatment is for a medical condition. If I work somewhere that is self-insured, they have the right to access my medical records and determine that treatment I am recieving is medically necessary. BUt I have to admit, you really are good with the emotional arguments. In other words, you make a great liberal.
Or it could be that I'm Canadian and cannot believe the bull**** you Yanks put up with... willingly.
 

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I read the study. Only 14% use it to prevent cysts, as I indicated. I couldn't care less that some women use it for both preventing pregnancy and acne.


Edit: I did make an error. 14.0% was the number that use it for acne. Only 4.0% use it to prevent cysts. I believe that those 4.0% should absolutely have their pills covered by insurance - which they apparently are according to Flukes testimony. 86.0% use the pills to prevent pregnancy - specifically against the church's teaching. The religious institution should not be reuired to pay for that - against their teachings.
 
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Or it could be that I'm Canadian and cannot believe the bull**** you Yanks put up with... willingly.
The government has access to your medical records to ensure that certain procedures are medically necessary and they can be covered and treated. You prefer to trust government. Most Americans can't understand that.
 
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I read the study. Only 14% use it to prevent cysts, as I indicated. I couldn't care less that some women use it for both preventing pregnancy and acne.


Edit: I did make an error. 14.0% was the number that use it for acne. Only 4.0% use it to prevent cysts. I believe that those 4.0% should be covered and recieve insurance Those 4.0% should absolutely have their pills covered by insurance - which they apparently are according to Flukes testimony.
Did you miss this:

meaning that only 42% use the pill exclusively for contraceptive reasons.
 

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The government has access to your medical records to ensure that certain procedures are medically necessary and they can be covered and treated. You prefer to trust government. Most Americans can't understand that.
LOL.

They don't. Sorry, Buck... you're are clueless on this.
 

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LOL.

They don't. Sorry, Buck... you're are clueless on this.
Are you suggesting that a government led group doesn't deny medical benefits?
 

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Nope. Like I said, I couldn't care less that some women use it to prevent pregnancy and acne.

It's not just acne. Why are you trying to be obtuse on this? You have absolutely no freakin' clue how difficult menses is for many women.
 
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