Ron Paul: After ‘CIA coup,’ agency ‘runs military’

[Dav]

To an extent. They do not have nearly the same level of information gathering however.

That may have been true a while ago, but from what I hear it's not true now. A general just recently went on the record complaining about how the CIA has been of absolutely no use to them.

EDIT: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b000b944-fa62-11de-beed-00144feab49a.html?nclick_check=1

 

[dirtpoorchris]

So lets get this straight. CIA builds up an insurgent database. Our resorces go into blowing those people up. We now even learn that privitized armies raid people alongside the CIA at the same time.... Sounds true to me.

I personally think the we should not fully eliminate the CIA. We should just be using them for 100% pure defense. And we need ways to keep them out of the beds of special intrest groups somehow.

 

[Arch Enemy]

I agree with Redress on this issue.

If the CIA wanted to control the reins of the United States, so to speak, then it could be done.

True it is not an all-powerful entity, and it's true that they are quite sentient, but the credibility that a "CIA source" is attributed to almost makes the source immediately true; especially after 9/11. Everyone is scared of under diagnosis.

Pay attention to how Black Intelligence was used during the first stages of the Cold War. The CIA, being the owners of international intelligence, can create some pretty fascinating enemies.

 

[Apocalypse]

If the CIA wanted to control the reins of the United States, so to speak, then it could be done.

The CIA is one government agency for intelligence.
The NSA is much more capable.

That the CIA, against the willingness of everyone else, could take control of the military - would be less likely than Santa being real.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

The CIA is one government agency for intelligence.
The NSA is much more capable.

That the CIA, against the willingness of everyone else, could take control of the military - would be less likely than Santa being real.

Which in a weird way goes to show how trustworthy our news is. And how we raise our kids that the world is more magical than it really is. Ever see the Santa tracker on mainstream news? Gotta lie to them kids and tell them magic makes sure that good people prevail.

 

[Skateguy]

I agree with Ron Paul on almost all fiscal and foreign policy issues. But when he starts talking about CIA conspiracies, well this is where he gets a little scary. On the other hand maybe he's right. Who the hell knows when it comes to the CIA?

I've known Dr Ron Paul, for more than 30 years. If He says a thing is so--you can take it to the Bank. He has devoted His life and career, to standing for the average working Man. And against all odds, is still standing. A true Statesman.

 

[danarhea]

I agree with Ron Paul on almost all fiscal and foreign policy issues. But when he starts talking about CIA conspiracies, well this is where he gets a little scary. On the other hand maybe he's right. Who the hell knows when it comes to the CIA?

Well, we have to consider history. In 1952, the CIA launched Operation Ajax, which overthrew Mossadegeh, the democratically elected president of Iran, and replaced him with the Shah, who was so viscious, he made Saddam look like a boy scout. This is not a conspiracy theory. It is a historical fact. And we wonder why so many in the Middle East hate us? This is what Ron Paul calls "blowback" in foreign policy.

So, if the CIA was willing to do Operation Ajax, I wouldn't put anything else past them.

 

[Dav]

Well, we have to consider history. In 1952, the CIA launched Operation Ajax, which overthrew Mossadegeh,

It launched Operation Ajax at the orders of higher-ups. It's not as if it decided to do so on its own. It's also not as if it would have been successful if 1. they didn't have at least marginal support in Iran, and 2. it wasn't already Consitutionally permitted for a Shah to decide who got to be Prime Minister.

the democratically elected president of Iran

Mohammad Mosaddegh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mosaddegh became aware of the plots against him and grew increasingly wary of conspirators acting within his government. Mosaddegh then moved to dissolve the parliament "by calling for a national referendum". After taking the additional step of abolishing the Constitutional guarantee of a secret ballot, Mosaddegh's victory in the national plebiscite was assured. The electorate was forced into a non-secret ballot and Mosaddegh won "99.9 percent the vote" in the Aug. 4, 1953 referendum. The tactics employed by Mosaddegh to remain in power were dictatorial in their result, playing into the propaganda efforts of those who favoured his removal. On or around Aug. 16, Mosaddegh "overreached, playing into the C.I.A.'s hands by dissolving Parliament", and Mosaddegh's emergency powers were extended.

Big supporter of democracy, this guy was.

and replaced him with the Shah, who was so viscious, he made Saddam look like a boy scout.

That is just plain not true. Saddam was ten times worse than Pahlavi ever was.

This is not a conspiracy theory. It is a historical fact. And we wonder why so many in the Middle East hate us? This is what Ron Paul calls "blowback" in foreign policy.

Heh, funny thing. Iranian citizens (not the government) are mostly supportive of the U.S. And I don't know where else Operation Ajax is supposed to have destroyed our popularity.

So, if the CIA was willing to do Operation Ajax, I wouldn't put anything else past them.

Would you put blowing up the WTC past them? Would you put executing Operation Ajax without orders to do so past them?


Face it Dan: you're so into Ron Paul that you'd excuse him for anything, even conspiracy theories. While I'm sympathetic to some of Ron Paul's ideas, to blindly support him in everything he does is as bad as being one of the Palin admirers you hate so much.

To constantly blast people like birthers, and not blast Ron Paul's comment here, is a bit hypocritical.

 

[Apocalypse]

Well, we have to consider history. In 1952, the CIA launched Operation Ajax, which overthrew Mossadegeh, the democratically elected president of Iran, and replaced him with the Shah, who was so viscious, he made Saddam look like a boy scout. This is not a conspiracy theory. It is a historical fact. And we wonder why so many in the Middle East hate us? This is what Ron Paul calls "blowback" in foreign policy.

So, if the CIA was willing to do Operation Ajax, I wouldn't put anything else past them.

Wow, just wow.

I don't know where to even start, seeing that you claim that "the CIA was willing to do operation Ajax", as if the CIA is not a government-controlled agency.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

Why and how is the CIA shooting down missionary people? With military type ****. Unless of course this video is utter bull****.

[ame=http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec5_1265318648]LiveLeak.com - CIA footage of American family being shot down in botched anti drugs operation[/ame]

 

[Zyphlin]

And yet again Ron Paul shows why he will never, ever, be a viable national candidate and his "movement" won't be either until they get a pragmatic and realistic figure head and mostly drown out the conspiracy nuts

 

[lizzie]

Wait... the CIA aren't supposed to be the coordinators for strategical strikes on Terrorist targets?

Usually I am a fan of Ron Paul, but he is showing that he does not understand the dynamics of modern-day Terrorism.

If Ron Paul were in the decision-making seat, we wouldn't be in the "war on terror". His foreign policy is one of being friends and doing business, but not being involved in policy-making of other countries. This is probably much closer to what our founders had in mind than what we are currently engaging in.

 

[Gardener]

And yet again Ron Paul shows why he will never, ever, be a viable national candidate and his "movement" won't be either until they get a pragmatic and realistic figure head and mostly drown out the conspiracy nuts

You could put a good exclamation point on this post by moving the whole thread to its proper forum.

 

[samsmart]

Wow, just wow.

I don't know where to even start, seeing that you claim that "the CIA was willing to do operation Ajax", as if the CIA is not a government-controlled agency.

government-controlled =/= civilian-controlled

 

[Apocalypse]

government-controlled =/= civilian-controlled

Airplane =/= strawberry.

 

[Skateguy]

And yet again Ron Paul shows why he will never, ever, be a viable national candidate and his "movement" won't be either until they get a pragmatic and realistic figure head and mostly drown out the conspiracy nuts

If Ron Paul were the Brains of the out fit, I would be glad to block for Him. Smart men often need guys like me to back them up. I like a good dance from time to time. :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

 

[The_Penguin]

He is starting to sound luney

Starting? I used to support him before I did some digging and found out a list of screw ups on his part.

 

[Skateguy]

One good thing about looking into Obamies experience record is, He don't have one. Never held a real job in his life.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Starting? I used to support him before I did some digging and found out a list of screw ups on his part.

like what ??

 

[American]

Right or wrong, I think Paul's #1 problem is his delivery. He doesn't educate the public before making his contraversial statements.