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Republican Debtlock: How Will More Evictions & Homelessness Make America Greater?

Everyone knows all Republicans just want to make America worse. Kevin McCarthy admitted it before any debt ceiling "negotiations" began. So did some of his fellow MAGA morons. America needs to be a single-party nation: Democrats only. As long as it has at least one Republican anywhere,; the United States cannot be the best nation for everyone with under a million earned dollars to live in. It will be bad for all people in poverty as long as there is not a Democratic super majority in all 50 legislatures and Congress, as well as all 50 governors and the President being Democrats. I love America, but cannot call it the best country in the world whenever Republicans are in charge of its government.
Um, no, everyone does not know any such thing. While my preference is for Democrats over Republicans, Democrats with no opposition party to keep them honest would slide into the depths of corruption. They are already very nearly as corrupt as the Republicans and can be thought of as 'Republican Light." Both parties are subservient to big money. Democrats pretend to care about the powerless, Republicans support big money capitalism. It's a gray line because Democrats can't get elected without the big money from oligarchs. And the last thing Democrats can do, and they know this, is to anger the big money oligarchs.

If Democrats really focused on what the country needs, Biden would have said: "Oh? You wish to negotiate this debt ceiling? OK, no problem. Here is our position: Tax the rich more to reduce the deficit. You wish to cut spending. Heard that. OK, so our compromise is do neither and eliminate the debt ceiling because it is in violation of the 14th anyway. Address spending in the normal way. I have created a budget. You need to do the same; and then we can compare those as a separate issue based on the merits of our arguments without the threat of default, because paying for our existing debts and creating new ones are not the same issue."

Our Republican friends and relatives, our fellow Americans, do not wish to make America worse. They see it as improving America to make abortion illegal or severely restricted, and trying to eradicate Gay and Trans lifestyles, which they feel are simply 'decadent choices.' They do not believe the police are doing anything wrong to blacks, that the individuals either deserved what they got or occasional bad apple mistakes are made; but cops are overall good. They think CRT means if you're white you are racist and they rail at the thought of being called racist when they do not believe they are.

Eliminating the two party system would eliminate inherent checks and balances.

What America needs is more respectful dialog. More brotherly love. We need to drop all the pretentious name-calling and really listen to one another. We need to spread a new age of enlightenment in which a new emphasis is placed on discerning fact from fiction. We need to learn to disregard propaganda and honestly focus on policy rather than culture wars. We need to make corruption illegal. We need to set up our education system to tell the real American history and train students to properly discern between fact and fiction; have the ability to spot propaganda.

Far too many Americans allow themselves to be influenced by rumors and peer pressure. We need to drop the hatred, the name-calling, the assuming someone who disagrees is 'stupid,' and enter a new era of fact-based dialog. And we need to address the problem of big money in our government. Big money that pays for public opinion-shaping to divide us bitterly in order to keep corruption legal and thus keep influence over public discourse and government policy.
 
Teaching them to fish is awesome--but taking your poles and tackle with you when you leave is stupid--and that's what the homeless are--fishermen without poles.
In reality fishing is a very expensive way to eat. Fishing gear is so expensive it is often cheaper to go to a fancy restaurant and order a nice fish dinner than it is to go try to catch a fish.
 
Something which may occur in the future isn’t part of an existing debt.
Republicans in the House are very stupidly threatening to default on making payments on already existing debt.

If they would like to write a budget then they would have something to negotiate with Biden's budget, which has already been submitted. But under no circumstances should the USA default on it's already existing obligations.

Why Are Republicans trying to cut spending without even submitting a budget proposal to compare with Biden's Budget?
 
Why didn't Republicans cut spending when they had the House, the Senate and the White House? They raised the debt ceiling then but didn't cut the programs they are not demanding to cut. That's ridiculous.

They think if they damage the USA's credit and cause a recession it will get blamed on Biden. They are only threatening the validity of the National Debt as a political ploy to make Biden look bad. Problem is, if they do it, everybody is going to know who to blame.

Republicans are playing with fire.
 
Sort of, but that credit card provider isn’t obligated to increase your credit limit simply because you wish that they would do so to cover your future spending desires.
Who is the credit card provider for the USA?
 
Your analogy is a bit off.

As it currently is, the credit card company is telling you that they aren't even going to fund the purchases that they already approved. Since they agreed to the spending, they are most certainly obligated to increase the limit.
The credit card company has totally green lighted more credit. We can set the limit anywhere we want. All we have to do is say so. suddenly, Republicans lost their voice. Never happens under a Republican president. Only for Democrat presidents. It's totally political.
 
Republicans want to cut social assistance programs, reduce spending on the needy. If Republicans get their way it will lead to more people getting evicted and more homelessness.

My question to Republicans is:

How will more evictions and homelessness make America greater?
Maybe it won't lead to any of that. Maybe it will lead to the government learning how to do more with less.

How much money do we need to throw at a problem before we realize that throwing money at a problem isn't fixing anything?

Government does not need more money. It needs greater accountability for it's actions.
 
The credit card company has totally green lighted more credit. We can set the limit anywhere we want. All we have to do is say so. suddenly, Republicans lost their voice. Never happens under a Republican president. Only for Democrat presidents. It's totally political.

I’m shocked that congress critters are political. ;)
 
The credit card company agreed to allow your spending only up to a previously established credit limit (aka debt ceiling).
That limit can be increased. All we have to do is agree to it. The card company is fine with it. We qualify. Unless we default. Then it gets bad for us and the increased interest will cost more than Republicans are trying to save by shutting off assistance to the needy.
 
We cannot afford it. The solution will not be realized for decades. The solution is for people to stop having babies that cannot afford to support them.

The financial social problems are getting out of hand. We don't have enough working tax payers to support the poor. Something has to be done to remedy the problem...
Of course we can afford, it's just a question of priorities. Reduce our bloated defense budget and let Trump's tax cut for corporations and the wealthy expire as it was passed...
 
Of course we can afford, it's just a question of priorities. Reduce our bloated defense budget and let Trump's tax cut for corporations and the wealthy expire as it was passed...
No. We cannot afford it. If we don't curtail the social spending, it will continue to grow on an unsustainable trend. We can cut all the programs the left doesn't like, and it will still bankrupt this nation with the trend we are on.
 
Something which may occur in the future isn’t part of an existing debt.
Then maybe Republicans should be responsible enough to actually submit a budget. Biden has. Where is the Republican budget?
 
Nope, they can move to ’blue’ states or cities to enjoy their offers of free stuff. ;)
Then maybe the greater burden of assistance dollars from the federal government would finally stop going to red states and go blue.
 
The debt isn't. Future spending is.
Then raise the ceiling and allow the debt to be paid on.

Then we can talk about future spending as soon as Republicans submit their own budget.

The president has already submitted a budget. Republicans have nothing to negotiate with until they write one.

Why are Republicans even talking about how they think spending out to be if they haven't even written a budget?

Propose budgets cannot be compared until Republicans put it on paper. What do they think spending ought to be?

Biden submitted a budget. We've got one oar in the water. Republicans have nothing. We can't move forward until we have both oars in the water.
 
OK, then why worry about federal taxation (revenue)? Just borrow or print more money and give (allocate?) it away however congress sees fit. ;)
The obvious answer to more revenue is tax the rich.

America has a lack of revenue problem. The rich are not paying enough. They are getting fabulously wealthy as the national debt rises.

Tax the rich more. Problem fixed.

Defending the rich is defending the problem.

They don't need your help. They are ripping us off.
 
You seem to have taken the FY2023 federal “budget” seriously and assert that there is no constitutional limit to the amount which can be borrowed or printed to fully fund it.
What budget? Republicans have failed to pass one. Biden put one out. Biden did his part. Republicans need to either pass it or write a proposed one of their own!
 
And again, how exactly does one with no means get from SF to Midland?

Also, whats gonna happen to Midland when all of these apparently unskilled workers get there? Yup, you guessed it.....it stops being cheap.

Just shuffling the poor around the country into whats going to eventually amount to ghettos isn't the answer and you damn well know it.
Heard that! Getting rid of the poor in one place just gathers them in another. It doesn't solve the problem. It's just NIMBY.
 
Then maybe Republicans should be responsible enough to actually submit a budget. Biden has. Where is the Republican budget?

Coming sooner than last years (12/29/2022) - almost 3 months after FY2023 started.
 
If it had been spent, I would agree.
It hasn't.
If Republicans want to work out a budget they should write one. Biden has.

Threatening default is no way to produce a compromise budget.
 
The national debt is already huge so why not just let it continue to grow more rapidly? ;)
Why not tax the rich more?

There are not enough rich people to vote not to. So who is defending them and why?

What non-rich people are defending the oligarchs?

Hmmmm. Could it be Republicans?

Why are Republicans defending the rich from higher taxes?
 
Biden’s proposed $6.9T FY2024 ”budget” (outline) doesn’t reduce reduce the debt.
Where's the Republican budget that does?

They don't have one.

America has a lack of revenue problem.

All that spending is needed to take care of the people who have been oppressed by the rich. The obvious answer is to tax the rich more. Where do you think the money the rich have came from? It has been extracted out of the pockets of everybody who is not rich.

The rich got the lion's share of the money. They need to pay the most taxes to run the country.

Tax the rich more!
 
The obvious answer to more revenue is tax the rich.

America has a lack of revenue problem. The rich are not paying enough. They are getting fabulously wealthy as the national debt rises.

Tax the rich more. Problem fixed.

Defending the rich is defending the problem.

They don't need your help. They are ripping us off.

Total federal revenue in FY2022 (at 19.5% of GDP) was near the past 50 year average of 20.1% of GDP.
 
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