Republican Caucus Results Nevada

[reinoe]

My precinct here in Nevada went 55% for Trump.

 

[clownboy]

Only 12% in now and he's at 45%. You think he'll make 50%?

 

[clownboy]

Cruz speaking now. Sounded like he was giving up there for a bit. Thought he was going to withdraw. But no, he goes deeper into delusion. Yep, he's the "Trump Alternative", he's now saying he's the proven conservative. Doesn't he realize that makes him the establishment politician. It's pretty clear that's the opposite of what voters want this election.

 

[Anagram]

Cruz speaking now. Sounded like he was giving up there for a bit. Thought he was going to withdraw. But no, he goes deeper into delusion. Yep, he's the "Trump Alternative", he's now saying he's the proven conservative. Doesn't he realize that makes him the establishment politician. It's pretty clear that's the opposite of what voters want this election.

How does proven conservative=establishment? Considering the views of basically every Republican senator on Ted Cruz, I think this is stretching the definition of establishment beyond definition.

 

[clownboy]

How does proven conservative=establishment? Considering the views of basically every Republican senator on Ted Cruz, I think this is stretching the definition of establishment beyond definition.

You're missing the context. Nevada republicans said by a clear majority they wanted someone from outside the system. This is something being echoed through all the primaries thus far. Through all segments of the party. Say you're proven reminds them you're a senator, a congress critter. That's not good for any candidate this time around.

 

[Fiddytree]

How does proven conservative=establishment? Considering the views of basically every Republican senator on Ted Cruz, I think this is stretching the definition of establishment beyond definition.

"Establishment" is the new "RINO." It's lost all relevance.

 

[Fiddytree]

You're missing the context. Nevada republicans said by a clear majority they wanted someone from outside the system. This is something being echoed through all the primaries thus far. Through all segments of the party. Say you're proven reminds them you're a senator, a congress critter. That's not good for any candidate this time around.

How far we have fallen....

 

[Redress]

You're missing the context. Nevada republicans said by a clear majority they wanted someone from outside the system. This is something being echoed through all the primaries thus far. Through all segments of the party. Say you're proven reminds them you're a senator, a congress critter. That's not good for any candidate this time around.

What he has proven while a senator is that he can piss off the entire republican establishment. Yeah, that sounds like an establishment candidate...

 

[clownboy]

What he has proven while a senator is that he can piss off the entire republican establishment. Yeah, that sounds like an establishment candidate...

Indeed. But Trump has put him between a rock and a hard place. Trump sensed very early on the mood of the voters and placed himself there. Cruz can either remind them he's from Washington and lose or try to play outsider and lose because Trump has already captured that title.

In short, the outsider has out politicked the politicians.

 

[jamesrage]

Cruz speaking now. Sounded like he was giving up there for a bit. Thought he was going to withdraw. But no, he goes deeper into delusion.

What is delusional is voting for someone who supported a liberal president, liberal politicians and not just one or two liberal positions but numerous liberal positions that you claimed to oppose.

Yep, he's the "Trump Alternative", he's now saying he's the proven conservative. Doesn't he realize that makes him the establishment politician. It's pretty clear that's the opposite of what voters want this election.

Saying he's a proven conservative means that someone can actually look at his record and verify that he is a conservative. It means he is claiming that his supporters don't have to use the "But that was yesterday he supported those numerous liberal politicians and positions" excuse or some variation of that excuse.

 

[Redress]

Indeed. But Trump has put him between a rock and a hard place. Trump sensed very early on the mood of the voters and placed himself there. Cruz can either remind them he's from Washington and lose or try to play outsider and lose because Trump has already captured that title.

In short, the outsider has out politicked the politicians.

None of which makes Cruz an establishment candidate. No matter how you spin it, it simply is not true. Kinda like everything that Trump says, it is simply not true.

 

[jamesrage]

Indeed. But Trump has put him between a rock and a hard place. Trump sensed very early on the mood of the voters and placed himself there. Cruz can either remind them he's from Washington and lose or try to play outsider and lose because Trump has already captured that title.

In short, the outsider has out politicked the politicians.

How is someone who helped various politicians get elected with his donations and have a former president and high profile politician show up to his wedding an outsider? Isn't that the opposite of an outsider?

 

[clownboy]

What is delusional is voting for someone who supported a liberal president, liberal politicians and not just one or two liberal positions but numerous liberal positions that you claimed to oppose.



Saying he's a proven conservative means that someone can actually look at his record and verify that he is a conservative. It means he is claiming that his supporters don't have to use the "But that was yesterday he supported those numerous liberal politicians and positions" excuse or some variation of that excuse.

I don't agree with you, but it doesn't matter. Time will tell, but it's not looking like reality will be a friend to your argument. Trump will have this sewn up by March 15th. Even if Rubio were to drop out tomorrow, Cruz doesn't have a path. He HAS to win his home state, that's never a great position to be in. Especially considering Trump will likely pull all the delegates Cruz doesn't win in the state.

 

[clownboy]

How is someone who helped various politicians get elected with his donations and have a former president and high profile politician show up to his wedding an outsider? Isn't that the opposite of an outsider?

Nope. He's not a politician, he's not a Washington critter.

I know, you're disappointed your guy is toast before Super Tuesday. I get it, been there before myself.

 

[jamesrage]

I don't agree with you, but it doesn't matter. Time will tell, but it's not looking like reality will be a friend to your argument. Trump will have this sewn up by March 15th. Even if Rubio were to drop out tomorrow, Cruz doesn't have a path. He HAS to win his home state, that's never a great position to be in. Especially considering Trump will likely pull all the delegates Cruz doesn't win in the state.

If George Soros came out recently and said he against gun control, wants to build a wall, hire 30,000 border guards,says he is pro-life, dislikes liberals, wants to deport every illegal, and various other conservative positions would you vote for that man?

 

[jamesrage]

Nope. He's not a politician, he's not a Washington critter.

Not being a politician does not equal outsider.

I know, you're disappointed your guy is toast before Super Tuesday. I get it, been there before myself.

Your guy will be toast as soon he wins the primary. The media is going to metaphorically smash a brick over Trump's head. They are going to play videos of Trump showing what ********er he is, they are going to be interviewing little old ladies whose property he took, they are going to show what he tried to do to people in Scotland, the British journalist he tried to make moves on and later tried to ruin when he couldn't get his way, they are going to interview former black employees who will claim that they had to stay out of sight anytime Trump showed up on the premises,they are going to air all the past things Trump supported, the comedy shows will roast him like they did Sarah Palin and they going to stop giving Trump a soap box. I hope the Trump supporters wake up in time before its too late.

 

[Sweden]

Not being a politician does not equal outsider.



Your guy will be toast as soon he wins the primary. The media is going to metaphorically smash a brick over Trump's head. They are going to play videos of Trump showing what ********er he is, they are going to be interviewing little old ladies whose property he took, they are going to show what he tried to do to people in Scotland, the British journalist he tried to make moves on and later tried to ruin when he couldn't get his way, they are going to interview former black employees who will claim that they had to stay out of sight anytime Trump showed up on the premises,they are going to air all the past things Trump supported, the comedy shows will roast him like they did Sarah Palin and they going to stop giving Trump a soap box. I hope the Trump supporters wake up in time before its too late.

I get it. Everyone, including the comedy shows - what a joke - hates Trump except the voters. Poor guy doesn't stand a chance.

 

[Andalublue]

If George Soros came out recently and said he against gun control, wants to build a wall, hire 30,000 border guards,says he is pro-life, dislikes liberals, wants to deport every illegal, and various other conservative positions would you vote for that man?

If he'd had a reality TV shows running for the past 12 years and had had that level of exposure, yeah I reckon every single one of those people who are currently supporting Trump would be supporting Soros.

 

[donsutherland1]

Apparently, the anger (58% of those polled) and desire for a candidate with no political experience (61% of those polled) entrance poll statistics offered a good barometer of the magnitude of the Trump victory that unfolded. Anger impairs judgment and the desire to elect a candidate without governance experience for the most important governance position in the nation highlights the depth of that impaired judgment. Given the complexity of the world an American President must face, such a preference is little different from a desire for a surgeon without medical experience. That Trump won a higher share of the vote than Cruz and Rubio combined offers a warning to the GOP that Trump still has room to increase his share of the vote and it reveals an urgency to pare the field to 3 candidates, and then 2.

The dismal results for Carson and Kasich reaffirm that both low-polling candidates now serve no useful function in the race. Their continued presence aids Trump by continuing to take a slice, though a declining one, from those who might offer stronger competition. Put another way, their continued presence is nothing less than implicit support for Trump. It reveals a selfish calculation that puts their own increasingly symbolic presence in a race they both know they cannot possibly win ahead of the need to try to reduce Trump's increasing prospects of gaining the Republican nomination. If both men find Trump's rhetoric, positions, and lack of governance experience desirable attributes, they can persist in their symbolic pursuit of the nomination. But if they do so, neither can credibly dissociate from Trump's message.

For now, the electoral landscape for the GOP leans more and more toward Trump. A big Super Tuesday win could all but seal Trump's success. If he attains a clear majority of delegates, prospects of a brokered convention will be little more than fiction. Trump will be the nominee, the Republican brand will be damaged, and the American conservative movement broken. Both will have been transformed by Trump's image into hollow, angry populist vessels that are ill-suited for serious policy, much less governance and even reasonable Republican and conservative candidates and officials will face the headwinds of this rebranding. If they delayed their exit from the campaign, Carson and Kasich, much as they might beg to differ, will have been co-architects of this outcome. That may end up as their largest political legacy should Trump's nomination significantly damage the Republican Party and especially if he wins the general election.

At present, I still remain confident that Trump will not beat the Democratic nominee, but there would be a degree of uncertainty in the outcome. There would be a non-zero probability of circumstances that could lead to his victory. Throughout the GOP campaign, Trump has combined his charismatic appeal (mainly to the angry and discontented and under-educated, though his appeal is beginning to spread to the college-educated, too) with a highly effective capacity to delegitimize his opponents. There would be a risk that he could do so against the Democratic nominee to the point where voter judgment is skewed by raw emotion in the general election, so a Trump nomination is still something the GOP candidates need to fight as long as they can.

Will Carson and Kasich do so? Will they permit the stronger candidates to try to consolidate anti-Trump support before Trump gains an insurmountable lead in delegates? Their choice, the honorable exit or indifference to a Trump nomination, will reveal volumes about their own character. Stay tuned.

 

[Lovebug]

For years I was baffled about Obama. No experience, little to no record of political accomplishments, extreme, tempting the Constitution at every chance. I thought we couldn't go any lower. Until the Trump phenomenon.
How low can we sink before we wake up and want what is good for our country, instead of having some feel good moments?
The very same people who yelled about Obama and now cheering Trump. How absurd is that.

 

[Lovebug]

Not being a politician does not equal outsider.



Your guy will be toast as soon he wins the primary. The media is going to metaphorically smash a brick over Trump's head. They are going to play videos of Trump showing what ********er he is, they are going to be interviewing little old ladies whose property he took, they are going to show what he tried to do to people in Scotland, the British journalist he tried to make moves on and later tried to ruin when he couldn't get his way, they are going to interview former black employees who will claim that they had to stay out of sight anytime Trump showed up on the premises,they are going to air all the past things Trump supported, the comedy shows will roast him like they did Sarah Palin and they going to stop giving Trump a soap box. I hope the Trump supporters wake up in time before its too late.

That's the whole idea. The mere absurdity of his candidacy will ensure Clinton's win. I may sound like a conspiracy nut, but he and Clinton are too close for comfort.

 

[Andalublue]

Apparently, the anger (58% of those polled) and desire for a candidate with no political experience (61% of those polled) entrance poll statistics offered a good barometer of the magnitude of the Trump victory that unfolded. Anger impairs judgment and the desire to elect a candidate without governance experience for the most important governance position in the nation highlights the depth of that impaired judgment.

I agree that electing someone with no experience is a bad idea - I also agree that Obama has certainly been less effective because of his lack of political 'chops' - but I suspect those people expressing this anger and disdain for 'seasoned politicians' do so because of the undeniable and alarming incompetence of those politicians currently sitting in Congress. What precisely has Congress achieved in the last 8 years? 12 years? 20 years? What legislation has Congress initiated and implemented that has made the US a better place? Anything?

What can any senator or congressman point to and say, "I did that, and that proves that I would be a competent POTUS."

Given the complexity of the world an American President must face, such a preference is little different from a desire for a surgeon without medical experience.

The trouble Don, is that Trump is indeed a surgeon without medical experience or qualifications, but the senators/representatives/governors vying with him are like fully qualified surgeons who keep killing their patients. What gives you confidence that two junior senators, with all of 8 years senate experience between them, have the kind of maturity and experience necessary to do the top job?

Some might say, "Well, that's as much experience as Obama had in 2008", but those are often the same people who berate Obama for his incompetence and inexperience. I don't think Obama's as incompetent as many GOP supporters here might assert, but I definitely think he was lacking the political experience necessary to do a good job. I'd say the same for GW Bush, btw.

So, as far as I can see, the GOP is in a situation of not having a single potential candidate that they both like (seemingly Kasich and Christie don't stir their enthusiasm), and have the qualifications and experience necessary.

 

[Andalublue]

I may sound like a conspiracy nut, ...

Yeah, you do.

 

[shagg]

That's the whole idea. The mere absurdity of his candidacy will ensure Clinton's win. I may sound like a conspiracy nut, but he and Clinton are too close for comfort.

You know, it definitely would qualify as a conspiracy theory.

That being said, Shillary would absolutely do this if she could, because it does (and has) play(ed) into increasing the chances of a Shillary win in the general. How can a candidate with such high negativity ratings hope to win? By setting something like the Donald loose on the other team. The only thing I can't get past is why Trump would play along, what exactly is in it for him? Perhaps his ego is such that just being the nominee is something he could design a trophy around. Or maybe Trump inc. is looking at some nice government contracts once Shillary wins.

The Clintons have some very top notch voter research and know which voting blocks make up which base in which states, which issues they're for, against, or relatively apathetic towards. I picture Bill and Shillary in something resembling a war room, with a giant map and notes everywhere, Bill putting his hand on his chin and saying "Look here, and here, and even here.......if we can set a isolationist/non-PC/business type up on the republican side, it will be almost impossible for them to not nominate him, and almost impossible for you to lose"

With the amount of prep they've put into this, lining up their lackeys to pull strings where they can, using their control of big media to keep trump front and center and Bernie in the shadows, its not very far fetched that they were the driving force that started the Trump phenomenon. Their mistakes have been forgetting the internet saves all your old lies for future reference and underestimating Bernie. But they really know exactly what appeals to which voters. Its why her message has varied so much, she knows exactly how to pander to whoever is in front of her.

 

[reinoe]

For years I was baffled about Obama. No experience, little to no record of political accomplishments, extreme, tempting the Constitution at every chance. I thought we couldn't go any lower. Until the Trump phenomenon.
How low can we sink before we wake up and want what is good for our country, instead of having some feel good moments?
The very same people who yelled about Obama and now cheering Trump. How absurd is that.

That's absurd. The same people cheering for Obama are cheering for Sanders. Why is it that so much of the criticism for Trump is completely off-base? It's ridiculous.