Religious school assignment - your thoughts?

[spanky]

You only look at the negative points influenced by history.
What of the many people still living because the thought it was wrong to kill?

World War 2 was bad but from the necessity of Nuclear power being used some good came out of that.

This poster will be the first to say War sucks.
However I can not believe that every thing that has happened in history that we as intelligent human beings do not at least attempt to find something good or we can use..

Even the old attage "if you do not learn from your mistakes of history you are doomed to repeat them"
That is something.eace

Maybe. So let's ignore the negative points of history because that does what? Make us more enlightened?

Tell me, what have YOU learned from history?

 

[Fiddytree]

and like the OP, you do not know that this was not an act of (judeo-)Christian indoctrination
and if it is it needs to be ferreted out and those who participated/condoned it be punished for it

She had a problem with the religious figure even coming into the picture. That tells me enough of her position matched against the state standards.

 

[presluc]

Let me ask you a question. When Moses first came down off the mountain with the commandment "thou shalt no kill" and found people worshiping the golden calf (Atum), what was his response?

I can not believe that such a response came from an atheist.

I keep hearing atheist say think rational believe in facts not fantasy.

Where in the 10 commandments does it say humans no longer have free will?
Knowing this do you actually believe that when it said thou shalt not kill it meant no human is to ever kill anybody again???

That would be like saying no human has free will anymore I will make decisions for you.
Well organized Religion has been trying to do that for years, but it don't work.
For like it or not two things you can not take away from the lifestyle of American people.
1 The right to think
2 The right to choose.eace

 

[Fiddytree]

my FIRST common sense logical question is though, why are they discussing moses in history class? that makes no sense at all!

Look at various state standards (including the OP's own state and neighboring states), look at the National History Standards, read junior high/high school textbooks, search up middle school world history courses. That will answer your question on the educational front. On the historical front, I'm not getting into it again.

 

[justabubba]

She had a problem with the religious figure even coming into the picture. That tells me enough of her position matched against the state standards.

actually, that would be the first clue that religious indoctrination might be on-going

 

[spanky]

I can not believe that such a response came from an atheist.

I keep hearing atheist say think rational believe in facts not fantasy.

Where in the 10 commandments does it say humans no longer have free will?
Knowing this do you actually believe that when it said thou shalt not kill it meant no human is to ever kill anybody again???

That would be like saying no human has free will anymore I will make decisions for you.
Well organized Religion has been trying to do that for years, but it don't work.
For like it or not two things you can not take away from the lifestyle of American people.
1 The right to think
2 The right to choose.eace

What makes you think I'm an atheist?

 

[Fiddytree]

actually, that would be the first clue that religious indoctrination might be on-going

No it's not. That's right up there with being taught algebraic equations in middle school mathematics. You must be new to this.

 

[justabubba]

No it's not. That's right up there with being taught algebraic equations in middle school mathematics. You must be new to this.

new at what?

 

[spanky]

She had a problem with the religious figure even coming into the picture. That tells me enough of her position matched against the state standards.

No, she had a problem with there being a MOVIE on Moses then the kids having to write essays on him and then being graded.

So tell us, what were those State Standards to which you refer?

 

[Fiddytree]

new at what?

World History course content.

 

[Fiddytree]

No, she had a problem with there being a MOVIE on Moses then the kids having to write essays on him and then being graded.

So tell us, what were those State Standards to which you refer?

Movie->Delivery system. Right up there with lecture. Nothing spectacular about that. Learn pedagogy.

State standards that ask the religious beliefs, characteristics, etc. of given religion. Some ask for how each religion spread from place to place.

Examine the key concepts and historical significance of five major religions:
• Buddhism
• Christianity
• Hinduism
• Islam
• Judaism

Examine the spread of the major religions using historical maps:
• Buddhism
• Christianity
• Hinduism
• Islam
• Judaism

 

[AGENT J]

Look at various state standards (including the OP's own state and neighboring states), look at the National History Standards, read junior high/high school textbooks, search up middle school world history courses. That will answer your question on the educational front. On the historical front, I'm not getting into it again.

the first part about stste may answer something but it doesnt promise a legit answer or make it right. The rest about books will provide zero answers but like i said it does matter what else is being taught in the class and the context but on the surface its totally illogical to talk about him in world history.

 

[justabubba]

World History course content.

ok. share with us the syllabus used in spiker's kid's class
i look forward to reviewing its content with you

 

[AGENT J]

No it's not. That's right up there with being taught algebraic equations in middle school mathematics. You must be new to this.

no, its simply not.

Talking about Moses will never be equivalent or near equivalent to discussing algebra in math.

 

[Fiddytree]

the first part about stste may answer something but it doesnt promise a legit answer or make it right. The rest about books will provide zero answers but like i said it does matter what else is being taught in the class and the context but on the surface its totally illogical to talk about him in world history.

Look, if a layperson doesn't get it no matter how often it is explained in this thread, that's their problem. That's why they are not teachers, in charge of curriculum, or write the textbooks, or are historians.

 

[Fiddytree]

ok. share with us the syllabus used in spiker's kid's class
i look forward to reviewing its content with you

Why would that matter. It's expected by the state for them to cover the world's religions, characteristics and spread of it. The notion that you have a problem with it is immaterial. Her school, her state, the rest of the country does it. Too bad.

 

[justabubba]

Look, if a layperson doesn't get it no matter how often it is explained in this thread, that's their problem. That's why they are not teachers, in charge of curriculum, or write the textbooks, or are historians.

i would expect a good teacher to actually explain it

rather than abdicate their position in this thread

i would loan you my white flag but i do not own one

 

[AGENT J]

Look, if a layperson doesn't get it no matter how often it is explained in this thread, that's their problem. That's why they are not teachers, in charge of curriculum, or write the textbooks, or are historians.

there is no problem, depending on the context it could definitely be an issue, thats a fact, and is not needed for world history :shurg:

 

[Fiddytree]

i would expect a good teacher to actually explain it

rather than abdicate their position in this thread

i would loan you my white flag but i do not own one

That's not an excuse for your laziness. I have more than contributed explanations. Read the thread, do your own research. Since you haven't taught history to kids nor are experienced with history as a discipline, the only one that should hold the flag is you.

 

[presluc]

Maybe. So let's ignore the negative points of history because that does what? Make us more enlightened?

Tell me, what have YOU learned from history?

I said nothing of ignoring the negative points of history.
"IF YOU DO NOT LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES OF HISTORY YOU ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT THEM"
Keywords here MISTAKES , HISTORY.

Has history had negative points yes but not all negative, and sometimes the price to see the positive is quite high.

Example Dr, Martin King shot and killed was leading a Civil rights movement but his legacy did not stop and hasn't today
Example John Kennedy, leader of a country shot and killed but his legacy was that before the 60's decade was over a man woud walk on the moon 1969 one did,.his legacy has not stopped either many of us remember the Cuban Missile Chrises

 

[Fiddytree]

there is no problem, depending on the context it could definitely be an issue, thats a fact, and is not needed for world history :shurg:

If you're expected to discuss a given religion, knowing who its key figures are and what they did, and what ideas they contributed is paramount. This is basic intellectual history practice.

 

[justabubba]

That's not an excuse for your laziness. I have more than contributed explanations. Read the thread, do your own research. Since you haven't taught history to kids nor are experienced with history as a discipline, the only one that should hold the flag is you.

then you are admitting you are without the teaching skills to better inform me
i am not surprised


and i will continue to await your copy of the syllabus used in spiker's kid's class. the document which would provide proof whether this was a legitimate history assignment or a judeo-Christian indoctrination masquerading as a history assignment

 

[AGENT J]

If you're expected to discuss a given religion, knowing who its key figures are and what they did, and what ideas they contributed is paramount. This is basic intellectual history practice.

and like i already said depending on the actual context and what is being taught in class nothing you said seems needed or required in a world history class geared to 12yr olds. Not sure what you are trying to dispute.

 

[presluc]

What makes you think I'm an atheist?

Well, according to your post , you have made no secret that you are for any kind of discussions about any religion or faith.

So if it walks like a duck ..WELL?eace

 

[Fiddytree]

and like i already said depending on the actual context and what is being taught in class nothing you said seems needed or required in a world history class geared to 12yr olds. Not sure what you are trying to dispute.

You mean 8th graders. It's right there. The teacher's actual disposition toward the topics to the children is what matters, but Aunt and most of the posters on this thread have the absolutely wrong conclusion that you cannot have a film about a religious figure in history and have them write a paragraph on that person, or even discuss it. It's absolutely wrong.