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Religion : the downfall of humanity.

calm said:
I never read the article as part of my PHD in theology ....

I read it as a view from an ordinary Joe and who does not wear a religious collar and does not ever claim to be theologian.

It is like reading a story concerning politics or finance even if the person writing does not have a Masters Degree.

But, not to worry. I am not offended.

If everybody enjoyed the read as much as I did, it would of been a NYT best seller. But obviously it was not.

Balm
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It is presented as if it were fact. Thus it is reasonable to question the sources and qualifications of the person making these claims. As it turns out, the claims are un-sourced, the person is unqualified, and the things he says fly in the face of what actual researchers on this topic currently believe. It is legitimate, therefore, to call that what it is...rubbish.

The dominant theories among those who see religion as coming from man are:
1. The psychological view: religion is the result of the HADD and the development of human's ability to (mis)apply agency to all things.
2. The adaptational view: religion served as a glue that united communities, giving them a greater chance of survival.

Neither of those theories resembles what that blogger described. If we go further into the field of philosophy of religion, we find only theories that are even further from what that blogger described (since he was aiming for a pseudo-scientific view). That's before we even get to the theories that don't pre-suppose the non-existence of God.

In a nutshell, no one who actually researches this topic believes as that blogger does. In all likelihood, the person who wrote that blog post never researched this topic and is simply repeating things that he has heard other unqualified people say and that make sense to him. As a result of posts like that one, other unqualified people will read his views and believe them and then repeat them later to other unqualified people who will repeat them to others, etc... perpetuating the chain of ignorance.

I think it's correct to call people out for helping perpetuate ignorance.
 
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Paralogic said:
Parmenides explained reality as well as he could... 500 BCE... then all Western thought was plunged into a tar pit of religion... and we still have not been able to come out of it.

Humans are not relevant to reality, we know that much, but without religion we would be in a so much better place in understanding the universe.

Physics and Cosmology have come a long way to get rid of superstition and show us what reality is. I hope for the best in the next 200 years.
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I'm not sure religion is necessarily a downfall of humanity. I think there are times it can seem that religion is counter to progress, but it has always evolved alongside our societies and scientific growth. We can get stuck, but is that fundamentally on religion or on us? I think it's the latter. Humanity really has no one else to blame for its hangups but itself.

Fundamentally, I believe religion to be a natural consequence of humanity's intelligence. Vonnegut put it best.

Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly
Man got to sit and wonder why why why
Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land
Man got to tell himself he understand
 
calm said:
The bible always talks about the "Unseen World" and the battles taking place there between good and evil.

Maybe we humans are just a reflection of reality and of what is happening in the Unseen World?

Calm
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If it's unseen then how do you know that it is there?
 
Bassman said:
No, the Bible is infallible. ...
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It's a book written by goat herders 2,000 years ago. If you are willing to accept that a book that was revised at least a dozen times to meet the benefit of the ruling religious class is infallible, as you say, then you have to accept the rest of the world to dismiss you as a fanatic because you don't listen to reason ... only to wishful thinking and belief... just like all the fanatics our society is trying to deal with and their violence and destruction.

Admit that much, at least. That's the truth.
 
Grand Mal said:
If it was in your power, would you take religion out of the lives of everyone in the world?
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Take it out? I'm not a torturer, like Conservatives are.

My approach is to educate people with the current state of our Scientific knowledge, so they are free of superstition and have a real sense of where reality starts and where human emotions take over.
 
Paralogic said:
Take it out? I'm not a torturer, like Conservatives are.

My approach is to educate people with the current state of our Scientific knowledge, so they are free of superstition and have a real sense of where reality starts and where human emotions take over.
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Really? You're going to educate Bolivian farmers, Tibetan herders, Indian villagers and Cambodian villagers and starving Haitian peasants and Russian peasants and umpteen millions of ignorant, hopeless poverty-stricken souls so that Scientific Knowledge can take the place of religion in their lives?
And ignorant poverty-stricken villagers aside, how would you convince the likes of, say, Soren Kierkegaard, that Scientific Knowledge can make him free of superstitution? That'd be a good essay.
 
Grand Mal said:
Really? You're going to educate Bolivian farmers, Tibetan herders, Indian villagers and Cambodian villagers and starving Haitian peasants and Russian peasants and umpteen millions of ignorant, hopeless poverty-stricken souls so that Scientific Knowledge can take the place of religion in their lives?
And ignorant poverty-stricken villagers aside, how would you convince the likes of, say, Soren Kierkegaard, that Scientific Knowledge can make him free of superstitution? That'd be a good essay.
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As opposed to you supporting the continuing exploitation of indigenous people by their colonial overlords?

Apparently, you do.
 
dimensionallava said:
whats up with all this antitheism?
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Anti-theism is the only legitimate position to all the scum crap theistic drivel dumped upon humanity for the past 2,000 years with all the Abrahamic stupid drivel... I can't comment on Asian religions but they should be equally dismissed as just mental garbage.
 
Paralogic said:
As opposed to you supporting the continuing exploitation of indigenous people by their colonial overlords?

Apparently, you do.
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No, really. How you gonna teach all those people about Scientific Knowledge?
 
Grand Mal said:
No, really. How you gonna teach all those people about Scientific Knowledge?
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So, enslave them in the meantime?

Thats' why Conservatism is a mental and social sickness.
 
Paralogic said:
Anti-theism is the only legitimate position to all the scum crap theistic drivel dumped upon humanity for the past 2,000 years with all the Abrahamic stupid drivel... I can't comment on Asian religions but they should be equally dismissed as just mental garbage.
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right thats true...... but what happened to you? your not one of those kids who was raped by a priest were you? if you were you should tell people
 
Paralogic said:
So, enslave them in the meantime?

Thats' why Conservatism is a mental and social sickness.
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C'mon, quit dodging. You want to replace religion with Scientific Knowledge, right? How?
Is it even possible?
 
dimensionallava said:
right thats true...... but what happened to you? your not one of those kids who was raped by a priest were you? if you were you should tell people
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lol.. no one in my family would give a day's time to a priest... rest assured of that
 
Paralogic said:
Parmenides explained reality as well as he could... 500 BCE... then all Western thought was plunged into a tar pit of religion... and we still have not been able to come out of it.

Humans are not relevant to reality, we know that much, but without religion we would be in a so much better place in understanding the universe.

Physics and Cosmology have come a long way to get rid of superstition and show us what reality is. I hope for the best in the next 200 years.
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The only thing wrong with religion is they have people in them.

It is not God that is a hoax, but the people who sell him.
 
Fearandloathing said:
The only thing wrong with religion is they have people in them.

It is not God that is a hoax, but the people who sell him.
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There are no gods without people. Nature exists without people, therefore, there are no gods.

It's so simple, why can't everyone see it?
 
Paralogic said:
It's a book written by goat herders 2,000 years ago. If you are willing to accept that a book that was revised at least a dozen times to meet the benefit of the ruling religious class is infallible, as you say, then you have to accept the rest of the world to dismiss you as a fanatic because you don't listen to reason ... only to wishful thinking and belief... just like all the fanatics our society is trying to deal with and their violence and destruction.

Admit that much, at least. That's the truth.
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Why don't you "admit" that you do not KNOW there are no gods?
 
Paralogic said:
Take it out? I'm not a torturer, like Conservatives are.

My approach is to educate people with the current state of our Scientific knowledge, so they are free of superstition and have a real sense of where reality starts and where human emotions take over.
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YOUR approach is to present your guesses of REALITY as though they are a truth revealed from on-high. You do what theist do...except in reverse. And pat yourself on the back for doing it.
 
Paralogic said:
There are no gods without people. Nature exists without people, therefore, there are no gods.

It's so simple, why can't everyone see it?
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Great blind guess.

Thank you for sharing it.
 
Bassman said:
Never happen. First of all, evolution is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind because it lowers man to the level of animals. Second, without G-d, nothing can exist. Sorry, but your Communist brainwashing does not match the divine power of G-d.
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This is the worst thing I've ever had the misfortune of reading.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Why don't you "admit" that you do not KNOW there are no gods?
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We all know there are no gods. We all know that the concept of gods is just an invention of human imagination based on fear of punishment and social intimidation.

We all know there are no volcano gods. We all know there are no tree spirit gods. We all know there are no any kind of gods. Anyone and everyone that has claimed there are any gods has been wrong all the time and will always be wrong all the time.
 
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