Religion Simplified

[Gordy327]

Well, let's review what you did that you're now denying. From Post # 336 (link below):

Look folks - Gordy wants EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE for Jesus and/or the Gospel accounts.

1. He can't define the scientific criteria used in gaining empirical evidence on a 2,000 year old individual.

2. When challenged, Gordy could not cite a single individual from antiquity that ANYONE (scientist or history scholar, etc.) has ever obtained empirical evidence on.

3. Gordy cannot provide empirical evidence himself for anyone from antiquity.

4. Gordy is demanding something from Christians that even secularists cannot come up with.

5. Gordy doesn't require that same empirical evidence from other individuals in ancient history (i.e. 1. Hippocrates 2. Attila the Hun 3. Archimedes of Syracuse 4. Confucius 5. Hannibal etc.) in his history books. Thus, Gordy needs to burn his college history books and demand history professors, etc., do the same.

6. Gordy has a double standard.

7. Gordy thus has zero credibility demanding empirical evidence for anyone from antiquity. It's an absolute farce.

Post #336 in Debate Politics - https://debatepolitics.com/threads/...-historical-event-ever.478343/post-1075788294

I see you have nothing but logical fallacies with your repeated dishonest attempts to shift the burden of proof. The only thing you've proven here is your own dishonesty and lack of credibility

 

[Rich2018]

I'm responding to you in text.

But he might be the subject of a lab experiment and not able to trust his senses.

 

[devildavid]

Provide for us proof YOU exist

His existence, and anyone else's, can be independently verified if an effort is made to do that.

 

[Gordy327]

But he might be the subject of a lab experiment and not able to trust his senses.

Sounds more like being on drugs.

 

[devildavid]

But he might be the subject of a lab experiment and not able to trust his senses.

Please don't get into that silly pseudo-philosophical nonsense.

 

[ataraxia]

James 1:27​

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

Ah, so this is true religion:

Importance of Taking Care of Orphans and Widows in Islam - CityIslam

Being a Muslim it is our duty to protect others from any kind of harm and help those who are in need such as orphans and widows. Islam has laid great great importance on helping the needy, orphans and widows. Following are the few reminders regarding the reward for helping orphans and widows...

cityislam.com

 

[Logicman]

I see you have nothing but logical fallacies with your repeated dishonest attempts to shift the burden of proof. The only thing you've proven here is your own dishonesty and lack of credibility

Your Baghdad Bob spiels aren't working for you.

 

[Gordy327]

Your Baghdad Bob imitation isn't working for you.

You haven't refuted anything I said. You only affirmed it.

 

[Logicman]

Sounds more like being on drugs.

Let me ask you a question -

When you were in high school and presumably in college, and your history professor began teaching about Julius Caesar, Hippocrates, Attila the Hun, and Archimedes of Syracuse, etc., did you stammer out "I will not believe anything about them until you show me the empirical evidence they existed"?

 

[Gordy327]

Let me ask you a question -

When you were in high school and presumably in college, and your history professor began teaching about Julius Caesar, Hippocrates, Attila the Hun, and Archimedes of Syracuse, etc., did you stammer out "I will not believe anything about them until you show me the empirical evidence they existed"?

No. Alienating a teacher is not a good way to get a passing grade. But then, they didn't make extraordinary claims either. You, on the other hand...

 

[Logicman]

No. Alienating a teacher is not a good way to get a passing grade. But then, they didn't make extraordinary claims either. You, on the other hand...

Uh huh.

How about now. Do you require empirical evidence for Julius Caesar, Hippocrates, Attila the Hun, and Archimedes of Syracuse, etc., before you will believe they existed?

 

[Gordy327]

Uh huh.

How about now. Do you require empirical evidence for Julius Caesar, Hippocrates, Attila the Hun, and Archimedes of Syracuse, etc., before you will believe they existed?

Do you have empirical evidence for Jesus, or that he was actually resurrected?

 

[Logicman]

Do you have empirical evidence for Jesus, or that he was actually resurrected?

How about listing the specific scientific criteria for establishing both so I'll know what you require?

 

[devildavid]

Uh huh.

How about now. Do you require empirical evidence for Julius Caesar, Hippocrates, Attila the Hun, and Archimedes of Syracuse, etc., before you will believe they existed?

Yes. Empirical evidence is required to know if someone existed. And empirical evidence cannot be produced that any human being could possibly be resurrected.

 

[Rich2018]

Please don't get into that silly pseudo-philosophical nonsense.

I try not to, indeed if you go there, you can claim the universe was created just 30 seconds ago...

 

[Gordy327]

How about listing the specific scientific criteria for establishing both so I'll know what you require?

Objective evidence to support or confirm the claims made as truth while conforming to the scientific method.

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

Straw man argument.

When was the last time a religious person said they could fly?

That's your pathetic response to that? Holy pathetic

We still do when anti-religion bigots get out of our hair.

Oh, I see just another unoriginal right winger who posts nothing but moronic one liners to troll. THat explains the stupidity

 

[Rich2018]

Objective evidence to support or confirm the claims made as truth while conforming to the scientific method.

Observable evidence in support of scientific hypotheses.

 

[pinqy]

Straw man argument.

When was the last time a religious person said they could fly?

31 December, 1920 in Jamaica: Alexander Bedward

 

[Logician Man]

Straw man argument.

When was the last time a religious person said they could fly?

Sally Fields?

 

[Rich2018]

31 December, 1920 in Jamaica: Alexander Bedward

And did he ?

 

[pinqy]

And did he ?

He sat there for 12 hours in front of his followers, but did not fly. A few months later he was sent back to the insane asylum

 

[Rich2018]

He sat there for 12 hours in front of his followers, but did not fly. A few months later he was sent back to the insane asylum

Can a certified lunatic actually be called a Christian ?

 

[Somerville]

Has Logicman ever provided his personal understanding and/or definition of "Empirical Evidence"?

Here's what I found on the internets:

What is Empirical Evidence?​

Empirical evidence is the information obtained through observation and documentation of certain behavior and patterns or through an experiment. Empirical evidence is a quintessential part of the scientific method of research that is applicable in many disciplines.

How can a person living today acquire "Empirical Evidence" for any person living before they were born? The demand for empirical evidence for the existence of any historical character would seem to indicate a serious failure of education for the individual demanding such evidence. We can learn about historical persons due to physical evidence such as monuments created during the person's life time, or coins minted during the appropriate years. Manuscripts written during the person's lifetime may also be of use but only if the texts we have today can be dated to the right period. The longer the span from the supposed time of the original to the oldest copy we have at this time, the more likely it is that there has been editing and mistakes made while copying the original, or copies of the copies of copies of copies . . .

 

[devildavid]

Observable evidence in support of scientific hypotheses.

You have it backwards. In science, observable evidence always comes first, leading to a hypothesis.