Rejecting Israel's Influence over Congress, Rashida Tlaib Plans to Lead Delegation to Palestine

[oneworld2]

Of course they do.

Radical left has never been that smart.

Contempt for them being Jews or contempt for them being racists , that is the question. And if we are talking about the Left it will definitely be the latter.

 

[CJ 2.0]

Contempt for them being Jews or contempt for them being racists , that is the question. And if we are talking about the Left it will definitely be the latter.

Yes, if you ignore evidence and want to pretend that the radical left is motivated by noble ideals, that's the conclusion you come to.

Here in real life things work differently and we recotgnize that the radical left, from Corbyn on down, are motivated and influenced by antisemitism based on historic antisemetic tropes more than any actual concerns for human rights.

Quote:

It was there that, as the women were opening up about their backgrounds and personal investments in creating a resistance movement to Trump, Perez and Mallory allegedly first asserted that Jewish people bore a special collective responsibility as exploiters of black and brown people—and even, according to a close secondhand source, claimed that Jews were proven to have been leaders of the American slave trade. These are canards popularized by The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews, a book published by Louis Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam—“the bible of the new anti-Semitism,” according to Henry Louis Gates Jr., who noted in 1992: “Among significant sectors of the black community, this brief has become a credo of a new philosophy of black self-affirmation.”


Clearly that's motivated by anti-racism.

 

[truthatallcost]

Disagreed. Like Britain was an unsinkable aircraft carrier from which to attack Nazi Germany, Israel, being the only democracy in the ME, is likewise an unsinkable aircraft carrier in a sea of Islamic despotism, tyranny and terrorist states. The only reason anyone gives a damn about the Arab states is because many are sitting on top of 56% of the world’s oil. The US doesn’t need it, but our trading partners do hence why the US has a vested interest in the region.

We're also allies with Saudi Arabia. But for some reason, we're allowed to criticize the many misdeeds of S.A. without being attacked and spied upon.
We also profit from selling weapons to S.A., instead of giving them away for free bundled with 3 billion in cash every year like we do for Israel.

Have we ever fought a truly legitimate war in the Middle East in the past 70 years? Not that I'm aware of.

 

[Divine_Wind]

We're also allies with Saudi Arabia. But for some reason, we're allowed to criticize the many misdeeds of S.A. without being attacked and spied upon.
We also profit from selling weapons to S.A., instead of giving them away for free bundled with 3 billion in cash every year like we do for Israel.

Have we ever fought a truly legitimate war in the Middle East in the past 70 years? Not that I'm aware of.

Yes, we are regarding Saudi Arabia but they are far less stable than Israel since non-constitutional monarchies often result in revolt. Not much we can do if the Saudis revolt.

Yes, like other industrial nations, we sell stuff for profit, even weapons. Did you know that Germany makes the best diesel subs on the planet?

 

[oneworld2]

Well, here is the problem with that innocent interpretation: Jews have long been held in contempt by large sections the traditional socialist left because of the antisemitic conspiracy theory that the Jews were and still are pulling the strings of international finance meant to keep the working poor in perpetual slavery. That the Jews are additionally seen as the oppressors of the Palestinians by the left is only the icing on the cake to many. To ask that I or anyone else ignore that is folly.

I' was a member of a Left wing forum ( RevLeft ) for a couple of years and only ever encountered a tiny number of members that even mentioned Jewish people as being part of the international corporate financial elite. For sure the capitalist elite came in for the very criticism you stated in the post above but it being a " Jewish conspiracy " was , as I said , only referred to by a tiny number of posters who took a bit of a quizing by the majority of people who responded to their posts. Them smelling a possible Nazi in their midst and not taking too kindly to it, was the usual response.

So you can say that it ( Jewish conspiracy ) is supported by " large sections of the traditional Left " but having been part of it for decades and spending time talking to other socialists from all over the globe in that and other forums I can only say I think you are completely wrong

The article you linked likewise can hardly be considered an attempt at objective analysis of whether " large sections " of the socialist contingent in the UK ( or anywhere else) are antisemitic. Luciana Berger is ,and has been , a shameless self publicist riding on the antisemitic card in order to promote her media exposure/public exposure. She has not been on her own too. The Labour are the antisemite party smear has broad support , not because the rabble rousers believe it , but due to the fact they really don't want someone from the Left gaining power in the UK. It's a rigged game in " Western democracies " and Corbyn has slipped through the filter system and the powers that be will do and say almost anything to smear him out of the way. Recall this man was supposed to have been a KGB agent no less :roll:

There is also no doubt that the state of Israel IS the " oppressor of the Palestinians ". No " icing on the cake " ,because imo ther is no cake , just a statement of fact

Recall too that many of the great figures of the Left are of Jewish origin themselves. I fact not lost on those that have read up on and are familiar with their ideological preference

 

[oneworld2]

Yes, if you ignore evidence and want to pretend that the radical left is motivated by noble ideals, that's the conclusion you come to.

Here in real life things work differently and we recotgnize that the radical left, from Corbyn on down, are motivated and influenced by antisemitism based on historic antisemetic tropes more than any actual concerns for human rights.

Quote:

It was there that, as the women were opening up about their backgrounds and personal investments in creating a resistance movement to Trump, Perez and Mallory allegedly first asserted that Jewish people bore a special collective responsibility as exploiters of black and brown people—and even, according to a close secondhand source, claimed that Jews were proven to have been leaders of the American slave trade. These are canards popularized by The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews, a book published by Louis Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam—“the bible of the new anti-Semitism,” according to Henry Louis Gates Jr., who noted in 1992: “Among significant sectors of the black community, this brief has become a credo of a new philosophy of black self-affirmation.”


Clearly that's motivated by anti-racism.

So if I posted a piece by David Duke it would be the typical view of white people I suppose ? :roll:

 

[CJ 2.0]

I' was a member of a Left wing forum ( RevLeft ) for a couple of years and only ever encountered a tiny number of members that even mentioned Jewish people as being part of the international corporate financial elite. For sure the capitalist elite came in for the very criticism you stated in the post above but it being a " Jewish conspiracy " was , as I said , only referred to by a tiny number of posters who took a bit of a quizing by the majority of people who responded to their posts. Them smelling a possible Nazi in their midst and not taking too kindly to it, was the usual response.

So you can say that it ( Jewish conspiracy ) is supported by " large sections of the traditional Left " but having been part of it for decades and spending time talking to other socialists from all over the globe in that and other forums I can only say I think you are completely wrong

The article you linked likewise can hardly be considered an attempt at objective analysis of whether " large sections " of the socialist contingent in the UK ( or anywhere else) are antisemitic. Luciana Berger is ,and has been , a shameless self publicist riding on the antisemitic card in order to promote her media exposure/public exposure. She has not been on her own too. The Labour are the antisemite party smear has broad support , not because the rabble rousers believe it , but due to the fact they really don't want someone from the Left gaining power in the UK. It's a rigged game in " Western democracies " and Corbyn has slipped through the filter system and the powers that be will do and say almost anything to smear him out of the way. Recall this man was supposed to have been a KGB agent no less :roll:

There is also no doubt that the state of Israel IS the " oppressor of the Palestinians ". No " icing on the cake " ,because imo ther is no cake , just a statement of fact

Recall too that many of the great figures of the Left are of Jewish origin themselves. I fact not lost on those that have read up on and are familiar with their ideological preference

So, where to start.

Maybe we'll just cut right through it.

Based on your perception of Jeremy Corbyn, it is safe to say that your ability to detect antisemitism is ... somewhat imprecise ... such that there isn't really much to be gained from your personal observation that you didn't see much antisemitism.

Blind people don't see lots of things, after all, doesn't mean they aren't happening.

Incidentally, I checked out that site. Absolutely bonkers.

 

[CJ 2.0]

So if I posted a piece by David Duke it would be the typical view of white people I suppose ? :roll:

What the.


Look, maybe we should take a pause here and you can regroup. Suffice it to say that direct and explicit antisemitism coming out of the leaders of the "womens march", which is currently among if not the leading progressive intersectional movement in the United States, which is clearly tolerated by the progressive left just as much as Louis Farakhan's antisemitism is tolerated by the progressive left, is so fundamentally different than David Duke "the typical view of white people" that you basically just decided to go full goodwin because the obvious implications of antisemitism at the head of the movement is too much for you to handle.

There are literally a hundred arguments you could have come up with that would have been better than just saying "hey, well that white guy is a nazi!" like it is supposed to be even remotely relevant.

To back up and start again, we now have explicit confirmation (not that any of us with a bit of radar on the topic needed any) that the leadership of the women's march movement has been poisoned by antisemitism right from the beginning. We know that the leftist NOI has been poisoned to the core by antisemitism. We know that other progressives either see nothing wrong with their leaders being antisemetic or are prepared to be wilfully blind to their antisemitism because of intersectionality or oppression or "anti-racism" or whatever claptrap they feel justifies ignoring it and denying it exists (which is what you just did as an example). We also know the British labour party is infested with antisemitism, from Corbyn on down.

All of this to say that your protests that the left isn't motivated by antisemitism is disingenuous and not consistent with the facts. The leadership on down across multiple strains of progressive leftivism is inherently antisemetic. It SHOULD undermine your entire message and movement, and because of that everyone on the "intersectional" side will do everything they can to deny this reality, because to them the movement is more important than the Jews.

Which indeed is a pretty common thing among leftist movements throughout history.

And yes, it is also pretty common among extreme right movements too. But that is not actually an argument about antisemetism on today's radical left. Just in case you didn't know.

 

[oneworld2]

So, where to start.

I would like to start the reply with a fact regarding your own ability to spot antisemites , seeing as you feel the need to criticize mine. See , here's the thing. To you everyone that criticizes Israeli policies or actions are antisemites. All the Human rights groups , the UN , any self hating Jew , Corbyn , Roger Waters , Me , Evilroddy , OlNate..........you name them , you've smeared them as racists. Don't get me wrong I understand that by the blanket use of the smear you WILL be correct ,100%, when it comes to the genuine antisemites. Just wrong on every one else you smeared

So to Mr Corbyn , that " vile antisemite " leading the Labour party. The only problem being the whole thing is a fake smear to get rid of the threat Corbyn poses to the British business/corporate establishment

Media Lens did a search of media hits and articles regarding alleged antisemitism

'Jeremy Corbyn' and 'antisemitism' before May 2015 = 18 hits

'Jeremy Corbyn' and 'antisemitism' after May 2015 = 6,133 hits

None of the 18 mentions before May 2015 included any accusation that Corbyn was antisemitic. And it was not, as some people have claimed, that Corbyn, a leading anti-war MP, was unknown or unworthy of attention. ProQuest found 3,659 hits for 'Jeremy Corbyn' before May 2015.

Also wrt to the alleged antisemtic charges he made against Jewish activists that had berated a Palestinian ambassador, the so called Freedland " game changer "...............

‘Despite being English, these particular pro-Israel activists have a poorer sense of irony than the Palestinian ambassador whose speech they attended’. The whole point is that the activists aren't foreign or un-English.

Media Lens - Charges 'Without Merit' - Jeremy Corbyn, Antisemitism, Norman Finkelstein and Noam Chomsky

See how important context can be to quotations ? :roll:

some quotes from other commentators in the article

'The Labour leader's opponents don't care about anti-Semitism. They'll just do anything to remove Corbyn.'


'the tactics of fascists - smearing, libelling, intimidating.

'Unable to put up a candidate capable of defeating him by democratic means, at the ballot box, unable to attack him on his polices for which there is majority support in the country, Corbyn's detractors have methodically and consistently set about the task of character assassination.'

I would add that others are using it for their own political advancement , Luciana Berger for instance

Then we have the EI airing of " The Lobby " which shows Israeli meddling and attacks on those deemed to be " anti Israel "

While much of the media focuses on alleged Russian attempts to undermine Western democracy, Asa Winstanley, an investigative journalist with Electronic Intifada, recently reported evidence that Israel is running a campaign to undermine Corbyn. Human rights activists have now lodged a freedom of information request under Israeli law, seeking to release documents about the campaign. Last year, Al Jazeera broadcast a four-part investigation titled 'The Lobby' into the Israel lobby's activities in the UK. It revealed that Israeli embassy spy Shai Masot was working with front organizations in Labour to smear critics of Israel as 'antisemitic'. Masot worked closely with two important pro-Israel groups in Labour, the Jewish Labour Movement and Labour Friends of Israel. The latter includes 80 Labour MPs. He has since returned to Israel.

So , the smearing of Corbyn as an antisemite just happens to coincide with his rise to leader of the party and the mass of grass root support his leadership has brought with it. That's the danger and that's why the smearing , the rabid smearing in fact , has taken place

 

[CJ 2.0]

I would like to start the reply with a fact regarding your own ability to spot antisemites , seeing as you feel the need to criticize mine. See , here's the thing. To you everyone that criticizes Israeli policies or actions are antisemites. All the Human rights groups , the UN , any self hating Jew , Corbyn , Roger Waters , Me , Evilroddy , OlNate..........you name them , you've smeared them as racists. Don't get me wrong I understand that by the blanket use of the smear you WILL be correct ,100%, when it comes to the genuine antisemites. Just wrong on every one else you smeared

So to Mr Corbyn , that " vile antisemite " leading the Labour party. The only problem being the whole thing is a fake smear to get rid of the threat Corbyn poses to the British business/corporate establishment

Media Lens did a search of media hits and articles regarding alleged antisemitism



Also wrt to the alleged antisemtic charges he made against Jewish activists that had berated a Palestinian ambassador, the so called Freedland " game changer "...............



Media Lens - Charges 'Without Merit' - Jeremy Corbyn, Antisemitism, Norman Finkelstein and Noam Chomsky

See how important context can be to quotations ? :roll:

some quotes from other commentators in the article



I would add that others are using it for their own political advancement , Luciana Berger for instance

Then we have the EI airing of " The Lobby " which shows Israeli meddling and attacks on those deemed to be " anti Israel "



So , the smearing of Corbyn as an antisemite just happens to coincide with his rise to leader of the party and the mass of grass root support his leadership has brought with it. That's the danger and that's why the smearing , the rabid smearing in fact , has taken place

Lol. Here’s the thing. I know the conservatives in the UL have now suddenly found an interest in antisemitism, which has amplified the focus on Corbyn’s antisemitism where before he got mostly a pass from the unconcerned British press. I know that Corbyn has become more of a threat to actually gain power which also makes exposition of his antisemitism more important as a media issue.

But all of that aside, there is really no doubt of his antisemitism or of the tolerance for antisemitism that he is enabling in the labour party. Just like in other progressive leftist movements. It’s the same in all of them. Some rabid, explicit antisemites in leadership, some leaders who are less explicit but whose views are founded on or embed historical antisemitism, a broad class of antisemites who increase their support for the movement because of its antisemitism, and a broad class of believers who are prepared to ignore all of this because there are other progressive goals that are so important a little antisemitism isn’t worth taking the off-ramp on the whole thing.

But none of that changes the substantial anti-Jewish sentiment embedded in Corbyn’s worldview (see his laughable Channukah message for a perfect little illustration) or how ready the labour party is to embrace antisemites and run obstruction for its antisemetic leadership.

Just like BDS, the womens march and the rest of them.




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[Manc Skipper]

Perhaps some of the present discord is fuelled by the fact that by and large, most American Jews are somewhat socially liberal, where Netanyahu's fascistic regime is most definitely not.

 

[CJ 2.0]

I would like to start the reply with a fact regarding your own ability to spot antisemites , seeing as you feel the need to criticize mine. See , here's the thing. To you everyone that criticizes Israeli policies or actions are antisemites. All the Human rights groups , the UN , any self hating Jew , Corbyn , Roger Waters , Me , Evilroddy , OlNate..........you name them , you've smeared them as racists. Don't get me wrong I understand that by the blanket use of the smear you WILL be correct ,100%, when it comes to the genuine antisemites. Just wrong on every one else you smeared

So to Mr Corbyn , that " vile antisemite " leading the Labour party. The only problem being the whole thing is a fake smear to get rid of the threat Corbyn poses to the British business/corporate establishment

Media Lens did a search of media hits and articles regarding alleged antisemitism



Also wrt to the alleged antisemtic charges he made against Jewish activists that had berated a Palestinian ambassador, the so called Freedland " game changer "...............



Media Lens - Charges 'Without Merit' - Jeremy Corbyn, Antisemitism, Norman Finkelstein and Noam Chomsky

See how important context can be to quotations ? :roll:

some quotes from other commentators in the article



I would add that others are using it for their own political advancement , Luciana Berger for instance

Then we have the EI airing of " The Lobby " which shows Israeli meddling and attacks on those deemed to be " anti Israel "



So , the smearing of Corbyn as an antisemite just happens to coincide with his rise to leader of the party and the mass of grass root support his leadership has brought with it. That's the danger and that's why the smearing , the rabid smearing in fact , has taken place

100% on point. Fascinating to see it unfold in real life right before your eyes.

https://quillette.com/2018/12/03/the-ideology-of-corbynism/


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[Fishking]

The pro-Israel lobby has a coming crisis on their hands, as many Jewish groups have been at the forefront of changing the demographics of the USA and Europe for several decades. Now the children of Palestinian & Somali iimmigrants are getting elected to Congress, as the children of Pakistani immigrants have been elected to Parliament in the UK. They are much less likely to be supportive of a monolithic Israel, and some like Tlaib support BDS.

The dream of the American Democratic party is to wrest political control from what they see as a white male dominated political system. But the typical white men and women in government have been much more receptive to AIPAC and the Israeli lobby than many ethnic minorities. Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio Cortez even referred to Israel as 'occupied territory' this past summer. She's noticeably toned down her speech concerning Israel, the reasons remaining to be seen.

Yes...there is growing anti-Semitism happening. The same is happening on a larger scale in Europe, with a rise in hate crimes against Jews, causing a flight of Jews from Europe to Israel. Israel exists as the last stop safe-haven for Jews in a world that, for some reason I cannot fathom, mostly hates them.

Make no mistake, anti-Israel is anti-Semitism.

 

[oneworld2]

Lol. Here’s the thing. I know the conservatives in the UL have now suddenly found an interest in antisemitism, which has amplified the focus on Corbyn’s antisemitism where before he got mostly a pass from the unconcerned British press. I know that Corbyn has become more of a threat to actually gain power which also makes exposition of his antisemitism more important as a media issue.

But all of that aside, there is really no doubt of his antisemitism or of the tolerance for antisemitism that he is enabling in the labour party. Just like in other progressive leftist movements. It’s the same in all of them. Some rabid, explicit antisemites in leadership, some leaders who are less explicit but whose views are founded on or embed historical antisemitism, a broad class of antisemites who increase their support for the movement because of its antisemitism, and a broad class of believers who are prepared to ignore all of this because there are other progressive goals that are so important a little antisemitism isn’t worth taking the off-ramp on the whole thing.

But none of that changes the substantial anti-Jewish sentiment embedded in Corbyn’s worldview (see his laughable Channukah message for a perfect little illustration) or how ready the labour party is to embrace antisemites and run obstruction for its antisemetic leadership.

Just like BDS, the womens march and the rest of them.




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What don't you understand about the 18 hits for Corbyn and antisemitism prior to his heading the party not accusing him of antisemtism ?

What don't you understand about his comments about the Jewish activists setting on the Palestinian ambassador and their lack of appreciation of his use of British irony ?

What don't you understand about his wish to stop the criticizing of Israeli state policies and actions being deemed as antisemitism and an attack on free speech ?

You have a pole up your backside over anything to do with Leftists and as such are hardly an objective viewer . Recall recently I had to enlighten you and Apocalypse about human rights groups actually covering stuff you claimed they wouldn't or hadn't ?

The grass roots of the womens march are asking/demanding a new leadership. If they were all antisemites as you claim why would they be doing that ?

What was wrong with Corbyns Channukah speech that , from what I made of it , called for a more free and just world ?

My guess is that I could supply 10 pages of refutations and you would still cry foul , not because it's true , but because it is what you want to believe

 

[beancounter]

How could anyone defend a group of people who use their own women and children as human shields?...

 

[CJ 2.0]

What don't you understand about the 18 hits for Corbyn and antisemitism prior to his heading the party not accusing him of antisemtism ?

What don't you understand about his comments about the Jewish activists setting on the Palestinian ambassador and their lack of appreciation of his use of British irony ?

What don't you understand about his wish to stop the criticizing of Israeli state policies and actions being deemed as antisemitism and an attack on free speech ?

You have a pole up your backside over anything to do with Leftists and as such are hardly an objective viewer . Recall recently I had to enlighten you and Apocalypse about human rights groups actually covering stuff you claimed they wouldn't or hadn't ?

The grass roots of the womens march are asking/demanding a new leadership. If they were all antisemites as you claim why would they be doing that ?

What was wrong with Corbyns Channukah speech that , from what I made of it , called for a more free and just world ?

My guess is that I could supply 10 pages of refutations and you would still cry foul , not because it's true , but because it is what you want to believe

Or you could see what is really going on. I linked an article which js directly on point. And 85% of british jews know he is antisemetic

As for his chanukah thing, it had nothing to do with judaism and nothing to do with jews and nothing to do with chanukah. Just more lecturing moralizing from a preening antisemite who knows that we know but doesn’t care because he has folks like you to run obtruction




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[oneworld2]

100% on point. Fascinating to see it unfold in real life right before your eyes.

https://quillette.com/2018/12/03/the-ideology-of-corbynism/


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from your source

There is quiet talk of another general election, and the options currently on offer are a chaotic government that has lost two Brexit ministers because they couldn’t agree with the Prime Minister who appointed them, and a Labour opposition led by Jeremy Corbyn. Now is a perfect time, then, for a critical examination of Corbyn’s ideology.

Is that not what I have been telling you ?THe Tories are in Brexit disarray and there is a real fear that Labour will benefit

That the establishment ( read rich and powerful ) are ****ting themselves that someone who isn't ( for once ) one of their boys or girls might get into power ?

If you want a real cutting insight into the state of play here you might want to read this essay that completely destroys much of the bunk surrounding Corbyn and the UK antisemitism.

https://mondoweiss.net/2018/08/chimera-british-semitism/

My guess is you will not read the link but at least I gave you the opportunity to

I would end with the Corbyn Passover lunacy. Best encapsulated imo by this quote from David Schneider

Actor and comedian David Schneider pointed out that "the same people who had been shouting that if Corbyn was serious about tackling anti-Semitism, he had to get out there and meet Jews were suddenly shouting: 'Hold on! Not those Jews!'" :doh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_UK_Labour_Party

 

[truthatallcost]

Yes...there is growing anti-Semitism happening. The same is happening on a larger scale in Europe, with a rise in hate crimes against Jews, causing a flight of Jews from Europe to Israel. Israel exists as the last stop safe-haven for Jews in a world that, for some reason I cannot fathom, mostly hates them.

I can clear that up for you; massive hypocrisy by Israel and it's worldwide supporters creates animosity towards them.

Make no mistake, anti-Israel is anti-Semitism.

What do you make of Palestinian Christians who are quite understandably not fans of the Israeli government, being that they're treated as poorly as Palestinian Muslims? Are they antisemitic too, with their Jewish God Jesus?

It's beyond extremist to say people can't dispute Israel's policies without being antisemitic. Sounds like a canard to me.

 

[CJ 2.0]

from your source



Is that not what I have been telling you ?THe Tories are in Brexit disarray and there is a real fear that Labour will benefit

That the establishment ( read rich and powerful ) are ****ting themselves that someone who isn't ( for once ) one of their boys or girls might get into power ?

If you want a real cutting insight into the state of play here you might want to read this essay that completely destroys much of the bunk surrounding Corbyn and the UK antisemitism.

https://mondoweiss.net/2018/08/chimera-british-semitism/

My guess is you will not read the link but at least I gave you the opportunity to

I would end with the Corbyn Passover lunacy. Best encapsulated imo by this quote from David Schneider

Actor and comedian David Schneider pointed out that "the same people who had been shouting that if Corbyn was serious about tackling anti-Semitism, he had to get out there and meet Jews were suddenly shouting: 'Hold on! Not those Jews!'" :doh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_UK_Labour_Party

Lol. So first, yes it is the right time, since it has been ignored for so long.

And yes, meeting with antizionist useful idiots that will allow him to run obstruction like you perfectly just illustrated is actually supportive of my views, not yours.




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[truthatallcost]

How could anyone defend a group of people who use their own women and children as human shields?...

Easily, considering the 'good guys', with all their superior weaponry do worse things to children-

"GENEVA (Reuters) - A United Nations human rights body accused Israeli forces on Thursday of mistreating Palestinian children, including by torturing those in custody and using others as human shields."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-shields-by-israel-u-n-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620

 

[CJ 2.0]

https://mondoweiss.net/2018/08/chimera-british-semitism/

My guess is you will not read the link but at least I gave you the opportunity to

“Given the fraught history of anti-Semitism, on the one hand, and its crude manipulation by Jewish elites ...”

you just posted an article by an antisemetic piece of **** to support your argument that corbyn isn’t antisemetic.

Nice job

And holy crap. Only afterwards do I see that it’s none other than Norman Finkelstein, the antisemetic left’s favourite “I have Jewish friends” Jew.

Amazingly apropos

Oh, and the antisemetic comments... classic.

What world are you living in if you thought this actually helps you and your cause and your dear leader????



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[oneworld2]

Lol. So first, yes it is the right time, since it has been ignored for so long.

It hasn't been ignored , it's been created. That's the whole point

And yes, meeting with antizionist useful idiots that will allow him to run obstruction like you perfectly just illustrated is actually supportive of my views, not yours.

The point is it's the likes of you and the Jewish Zionist groups that is deciding for other Jewish people what is deemed to be antisemitism. Like you have a monopoly over the views of every other Jew on the planet.

It's enlightening , I'll give you that

 

[CJ 2.0]

It hasn't been ignored , it's been created. That's the whole point



The point is it's the likes of you and the Jewish Zionist groups that is deciding for other Jewish people what is deemed to be antisemitism. Like you have a monopoly over the views of every other Jew on the planet.

It's enlightening , I'll give you that

Lol. Yes cause when you purposely avoid the vast mainstream to only socialize with extremists and then pretend to be bewildered when the mainstream points it out...

I’d say I was shocked that you guys are so blind to your own clown’s politicking but I’m really not even remotely surprised at this point.

The dude is obviously and transparently antisemetic. He surrounds himself with people who are antisemetic, enables people who are antisemetic and thrives on being called antisemetic.

And the response from his sycophants is look he has some radical anti-jewish jews that support him and therefore he isn’t antisemetic? I mean, some of my FRIENDS are Jews, I CAN’T be antisemetic.

I’m just trying to figure out at this stage whether you actually believe any of that or are just pushing it because his politics are so important to the progressive left’s mission that you don’t want it derailed because the whole movement is infested with antisemitism just as much as the radical right.


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[Fishking]

I can clear that up for you; massive hypocrisy by Israel and it's worldwide supporters creates animosity towards them.

What do you make of Palestinian Christians who are quite understandably not fans of the Israeli government, being that they're treated as poorly as Palestinian Muslims? Are they antisemitic too, with their Jewish God Jesus?

It's beyond extremist to say people can't dispute Israel's policies without being antisemitic. Sounds like a canard to me.

A position to be held by you safely tucked away behind your computer. You didn't have to live through a fight for your very survival literally on the first day of your (Israel's) existence. You then further didn't have to live through multiple wars of attempted genocide after that. You then didn't have to live through bombing after bombing after bombing. You don't have to live through thousands of rockets launched into your land every year. You don't have to be neighbors with a people that democratically elected a literal terrorist group (Hamas) that has the extermination of Israel in their charter.

All of this after having survived millions being systematically exterminated when they were living on other "people's countries", of which they were never accepted. It's so very nice to judge without the context of how they got their and what actually goes on to this day. No other country would have held back as much as they have subjected to the same.

Anti-Semitism makes it so a people subjected to so much aren't allowed to reasonably protect themselves. Yes...they should be soft and support policies that would end up with them dying, right?

 

[Apocalypse]

“Given the fraught history of anti-Semitism, on the one hand, and its crude manipulation by Jewish elites ...”

you just posted an article by an antisemetic piece of **** to support your argument that corbyn isn’t antisemetic.

Nice job

And holy crap. Only afterwards do I see that it’s none other than Norman Finkelstein, the antisemetic left’s favourite “I have Jewish friends” Jew.

Amazingly apropos

Oh, and the antisemetic comments... classic.

What world are you living in if you thought this actually helps you and your cause and your dear leader????



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I find the very discussion about who is and who isn't an antisemite with those who express antisemitic views themselves as the most important part of their agenda and world view to be completely absurd and uncalled for.