Refusing heart transplant for anti-vaxxer

[Overitall]

You still don't get it, do you.
The facts are there for anyone...if you've vaccinated and gotten a booster yes, you still might get COVID however the severity (that thing you are doing your best to IGNORE) is a fraction of what it is if you're NOT vaccinated.
You're doing this to pimp your antivax creds, nothing more.

No you don't get it. The patient will be given drugs to suppress his immunity so that even if he is vaccinated he couldn't afford to get covid. Vaccinated or not his chance of surviving the infection are almost ziltch.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Best wishes and prayers for your family and the best outcome.

Thanks, the thing he has going for him is a good attitude, something he didn't used to have.
In fact, YESTERDAY he got a very big lesson in just how serious everyone is about helping him because the patient in the
next room crashed right in front of his family and my son just happened to be doing his daily walking around the ward when it happened.

BOOM! Suddenly his nurse sat him down in a chair and everyone rushed into the other room, crash cart and all.
It affected my son big time because he had never before seen someone crash like that.
He saw and heard the family members losing their shit as their relative was dying.
But the team actually managed to bring the person back, and I told my son that he just witnessed a miracle, a miracle
at the hands of the angels who care for him...the doctors and nurses who worked on the patient for almost twenty minutes.

And THAT made a huge impression on him too, an even bigger one.
One thing for sure, he was always a fighter but he's even more of one today after what he saw yesterday.

 

[Argent]

The family member said, "he doesnt believe in it." I wonder if he 'believed in' vaccines before covid?

But he does believe in putting the heart of an unknown corpse in his body prior to which and after which he has to be given a cocktail of drugs that will come close to killing him in an effort to survive the procedure and not reject the heart. It boggles my mind.

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

Hospital refusing heart transplant for man who won't get vaccinated

Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston says its policy won't allow DJ Ferguson to have the surgery since not being vaccinated seriously hurts its chances for success and his long-term outlook.

www.cbsnews.com

Taking anti-vaxx "principles" to another level. What sort of a monster chooses anti-vaxx over being there for their kids?

Good example of bad journalism. No mention whatsoever of what exactly this guys reason is for being so adamantly anti vaccine. Some religion reason is the only thing that makes sense. It’s almost like the so called journalist that penned the article wants us to believe the patient is just a nut job.

 

[Schism]

Sounds like someone is trying to get the ball rolling on punishing the unvaccinated. I wonder when they will start to apply this same standard to other care. If this is allowed I can envision the dam being burst wide open. Even though you can still get covid after being vaccinated these hyperventilating vaxxers will insist on seeing proof you're vaccinated before providing medical attention.

I've predicted the same thing for tobacco users. This is probably the 6th year I've had to affirm that I don't use tobacco during the annual enrollment period.

 

[Variant]

I'd like to see them deny a person with HIV or AIDS. The left would go berserk and many lawsuits would follow.

Over the years HIV patients have been less likely to get organs, and you can't fix HIV with a simple shot.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Sorry to hear about your son.

He was born fighting for his life, three open heart surgeries before age five, a Fontan procedure.
And all this was happening just as his mother was beginning to show signs of MS.
She got stopped by the cops one day because they thought she was drunk in public, due to the way she was walking.
She didn't even know she had MS yet...she was too busy trying to save her son to pay attention to her own issues.
By the time he was out of the woods, she was in a wheelchair.
She sacrificed to save him, tough Navy broad that she is.

 

[Lursa]

Good example of bad journalism. No mention whatsoever of what exactly this guys reason is for being so adamantly anti vaccine. Some religion reason is the only thing that makes sense. It’s almost like the so called journalist that penned the article wants us to believe the patient is just a nut job.

Name a good/valid reason? I guess if your religion is ok with suicide, then that would be an excuse.

What else ya got?

 

[Schism]

They are not denying care.
This is my son, in happier times before his congenitally defective heart
began to fail in a very big way.

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Here he is today, in the cardiac ICU at UCLA Ronald Reagan Medical Center in Los Angeles.
He's pretty much out of options at this point, save for them getting his edema down to the
point where his weight is low enough again to be a candidate for a Dick Cheney Machine,
a "Left Ventricle Assist Device", or LVAD.

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In the top picture he weighed 195 pounds. When we brought him
in to UCLA three weeks ago, he was 363 pounds.
In October we brought him in at 384 pounds.
Almost ALL of it is WATER...he's like the Titanic.

Today he is 291, the last time they got him down to 270.
But the moment he's home, the water starts packing on again.

He is NOT, at this time, a candidate for EITHER a transplant OR an LVAD for the simple
reason that he's too heavy and would not survive either operation, or would not recover quickly
enough to avoid dying post-op anyway.

They're doing their best to keep him going but his options are almost nonexistent unless we can
find better ways to deal with his edema.
And since he, like my wife, was born with ONE kidney (albeit a healthy one, thankfully) that poor old
kidney has to work like Hell just to get him down to under 300.

There's simply NO POINT in getting a heart for him if he expires during surgery and also no point
if he dies shortly after the operation because of factors that can be controlled.
In his case, the question is, can they control his edema well enough long term that he can get
down to target weight, which for him is 220 to 240.

If he was unvaccinated, again it is a factor which can be controlled, by vaccination.
No point giving HIM a heart if he dies of COVID two weeks later.
Of course, since he isn't an IDIOT and since he wasn't RAISED by idiots, he is fully vaccinated and boosted.

No one would deny the guy in the article healthcare, he just does not currently meet the criteria for a transplant.
And unfortunately right now, neither does my son.
Difference is, the guy in the article only needs to get his shots.
My son wishes he was that lucky.

I hope only the best for your son and family. I send My sincere wishes of good health and a speedy recovery.

 

[KevinKohler]

In other news, alcoholics are denied liver transplants all the time.

 

[Overitall]

I've predicted the same thing for tobacco users. This is probably the 6th year I've had to affirm that I don't use tobacco during the annual enrollment period.

I've often wondered how they would know if you still smoked. I worked for a place that didn't allow smoking on the premises. That never stopped me. Even if you died from cancer how would they know smoking caused it? Insist on an autopsy.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Put him on the list for a brain transplant?

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

Name a good/valid reason? I guess if your religion is ok with suicide, then that would be an excuse.

What else ya got?

I don’t know why some religious people are anti vaccine but they are and I respect their right to believe as they see fit.

 

[Variant]

In other news, alcoholics are denied liver transplants all the time.

Alcoholics, fat people, people with conditions that make them less likely to survive, the very old. It goes to the best candidate.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Well.

Bye.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

No you don't get it. The patient will be given drugs to suppress his immunity so that even if he is vaccinated he couldn't afford to get covid. Vaccinated or not his chance of surviving the infection are almost ziltch.

Wrong again, my son was ON immunosuppressive drugs when he CAUGHT COVID in Feb 2020.
He was close enough to target that the docs had begun making transplant noises back then.
Difference was, he was still healthy enough otherwise...but they suspect his bout with COVID made his heart worse, but he survived.
Sorry pal, but you're talking to someone who has been dealing with this for twenty-five years.
You aren't as well informed as you think you are, and I AM better informed, and believe me, I'd give anything to be a less well informed popcorn eater on the sidelines like you, and
so would my kid.

 

[Variant]

I don’t know why some religious people are anti vaccine but they are and I respect their right to believe as they see fit.

They can believe as they wish. Organs will still go to the best candidate.

 

[Overitall]

In other news, alcoholics are denied liver transplants all the time.

Not the same. There's a direct correlation between drinking and liver damage. There's no evidence that you're guaranteed to get covid infected.

 

[Schism]

Over the years HIV patients have been less likely to get organs, and you can't fix HIV with a simple shot.

Well I don't know if that's true or not. What I DO know to be true is that the left have come out in full force to defend those with AIDS/HIV regardless of their risky behaviors because of "the stigma attached" or so I've been informed.

I wonder what the stigma of risky behavior will lead the left to do about anti-vaxxors? I'll bet it won't follow the AIDS patients.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

In other news, alcoholics are denied liver transplants all the time.

EGGS ACKLEY.

 

[Lursa]

I don’t know why some religious people are anti vaccine but they are and I respect their right to believe as they see fit.

I agreed. I also asked you for any other good or valid reasons. Do you know of any?

 

[Overitall]

Wrong again, my son was ON immunosuppressive drugs when he CAUGHT COVID in Feb 2020.
He was close enough to target that the docs had begun making transplant noises back then.
Difference was, he was still healthy enough otherwise...but they suspect his bout with COVID made his heart worse, but he survived.
Sorry pal, but you're talking to someone who has been dealing with this for twenty-five years.
You aren't as well informed as you think you are, and I AM better informed, and believe me, I'd give anything to be a less well informed popcorn eater on the sidelines like you, and
so would my kid.

Hard to have an impassioned discussion when you bring your son into the picture. I wish your son well.

 

[Variant]

Well I don't know if that's true or not. What I DO know to be true is that the left have come out in full force to defend those with AIDS/HIV regardless of their risky behaviors because of "the stigma attached" or so I've been informed.

Having HIV doesn't preclude you from getting organ transplants, it just knocks you down the list when compared to someone else who doesn't have it.

I wonder what the stigma of risky behavior will lead the left to do about anti-vaxxors? I'll bet it won't follow the AIDS patients.

The vaccination is a simple solution as prescribed by the doctors involved, anti-vaxers have a choice to make if they are on the lists and it's rather simple.

 

[Schism]

I've often wondered how they would know if you still smoked. I worked for a place that didn't allow smoking on the premises. That never stopped me. Even if you died from cancer how would they know smoking caused it? Insist on an autopsy.

A follicle test for nicotine would tell them. It could be included along with a urinalysis.

 

[Overitall]

A follicle test for nicotine would tell them. It could be included along with a urinalysis.

Interesting. Would second hand smoke still show up?