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Reality-based advice, please

And I don't know what that is when I get so angry that I freeze. Obviously it hasn't happened since I left home, but I felt like "He knows. I know he knows, and he knows he knows. He just doesn't know that I know he knows. He's trying to make me say it, but I know ..." Blah. And I absolutely could not say it. I'd just sit there with my lips having disappeared in my disapproval, and shake my head, emotionally locked.

/psych eval
 
Just tossing things out there.....

  • Maid service.
  • Peer-pressure form the husband's family
  • Marriage counseling
  • Divorce.

Yeah, something is going to have to give. I posted one of the uptop posts to her - she hasn't been back to read. I wouldn't either if I knew everybody was telling me I needed to get "closer to God" and it would be "all better!"
 
So you advocate divorce, and she leaves her children behind?

More like she kicks him out and the children start cleaning up after themselves.

If they want to be slobs, they can be slobs over at his place during visitation.

I like the idea of her having a sanctuary, I just think her sanctuary should be her home, not just a bedroom. Her husband does not exist in a vacuum, he learned this from somewhere, typically his family. No doubt she has to tolerate similar behavior from his side.
 
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It's not that she enjoys being a victim. Being codependent is NOT fun. It's that she feels a need to be indispensible and to control/manage their behavior. Why does she feel this? Probably, she was raised in an atmosphere that taught her to feel inordinately responsible for other people's happiness and wellbeing.

When we're in difficult situations, Cat, I mean situations that are painful....when do we change? We change only when it's more painful in a codependent relationship than outside of it. We rationalize..."I'm doing it for the children....for my mom...whatever" but basically it's just more painful to change than to put up with things as they are. And then we often look to others for sympathy. Those who offer us constructive advice are usually avoided. We basically know how to solve our problems...we just don't want to right now. (Opinion, of course.)
 
A woman on another forum is angry with God (yes, really) because her family has turned into a bunch of slobs. She relocated, giving up a good job, to be a caregiver for her mother. Her boss offered her a telecommute position. She worked that for awhile, and then was downsized.

Now the men of the house are acting like bachelors. Dishes don't get done, food lands and stays (I say get a dog) and she can't go on strike because she can't handle how bad things get.

Here's why I'm in this folder. Nobody has offered her any advice other than to pray more. Oh - and hugs. Lots of hugs. One suggested maid service. NOBODY suggested the men in this situation be on the receiving end of a 'Come to Jesus' chat. I'm not going to post until I have something to say other than "FFS, what is WRONG with you people!!?"

Any ideas?

Angry with God? Everything happens for a reason. If this is happening, maybe God intended it to happen or he is sending her a message.
 
Angry with God? Everything happens for a reason. If this is happening, maybe God intended it to happen or he is sending her a message.

Being angry at God because your husband is a slob is like being mad at your dad because your roommate plays the music loud.

One doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the other.
 
When we're in difficult situations, Cat, I mean situations that are painful....when do we change? We change only when it's more painful in a codependent relationship than outside of it. We rationalize..."I'm doing it for the children....for my mom...whatever" but basically it's just more painful to change than to put up with things as they are. And then we often look to others for sympathy. Those who offer us constructive advice are usually avoided. We basically know how to solve our problems...we just don't want to right now. (Opinion, of course.)

I totally agree. Dozens of people told me that my cheating ex-husband was bad for me, and after they expressed these opinons which were mostly based in deep concern for my well-being, I avoided them like the plague. I finally fixed things for two reasons. First, because a guy (who was a friend) treated me with such deep kindness that I didn't understand (and yet, craved in my life, and realized I was starving for it), without ever criticizing my marital circumstances, and his kindness made me realize exactly how unhappy I was. And second, because I woke up one morning and realized that I was going to become an unhappy, bitter old woman if I didn't fix my life. I started by drawing a line in the sand with my ex-husband, giving him one last opportunity to live like a decent human being, and then forcing myself to walk away when the inevitable occurred.

My mom is borderline, and growing up in that family is why I'm codependent. We were made responsible for her happiness and wellbeing. And, as a consequence, I married a man who is also borderline and became his caretaker. It took years to deal with my issues, and some days, I'm still enmeshed in them.

For instance, I can get angry at my guy (though he is the nicest person on the planet) but expressing that anger is terrifying for me, and I usually have a panic attack if I do so. Being a child of a codependent and the ex-wife of one, I wasn't really allowed to have feelings (of anger, betrayal, etc.), it always ended up being about them and their happiness, and if I did ever get angry, they would turn around and brutally attack me (verbally, mostly, though in my mom's case it was emotional, verbal and physical). So, I learned to turn off my own (normal) anger response to injustice directed at me by the people I loved the most, and stifled it. I did that for my own survival.

It's a crazy thing, codependence.

And I don't know what that is when I get so angry that I freeze. l
See above. I can get angry at the poeple I work with, at projects, at items, and even at my kids, but I can't get angry at my romantic partner without having a major fear response.
 
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Angry with God? Everything happens for a reason. If this is happening, maybe God intended it to happen or he is sending her a message.[/QUOTE]

Yeeeeeikes...dood...go stand over there...I dont want to get caught up in any crossfire!!! ;)
 
Being angry at God because your husband is a slob is like being mad at your dad because your roommate plays the music loud.

One doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the other.

Love it. :D
 
See above. I can get angry at the poeple I work with, at projects, at items, and even at my kids, but I can't get angry at my romantic partner without having a major fear response.

Good lord, it's a relief to know somebody else has the same experience.
 
I'm still trying to figure out where any of this is God's fault. I can imagine the Almighty looking down at her with a big shrug and saying "Whattaya lookin' at ME for? I didn't tell you move in with those slobs!" :lol:
 
I'm still trying to figure out where any of this is God's fault. I can imagine the Almighty looking down at her with a big shrug and saying "Whattaya lookin' at ME for? I didn't tell you move in with those slobs!" :lol:

Some people think of God as a big giant hand in the sky, directing their every move. From what I can tell, God tends to be rather more hands-off in nature.
 
Angry with God? Everything happens for a reason. If this is happening, maybe God intended it to happen or he is sending her a message.[/QUOTE]

Yeeeeeikes...dood...go stand over there...I dont want to get caught up in any crossfire!!! ;)

I view a lot of things in life from the Buddhist perspective. A lot of hardship in life are trials and tribulations meant to test you and make you even stronger. That's how I personally see things anyway.

As for reality-based advice. Get in touch with a Marine Corps drill instructor and he will whip all their asses back into shape.
 
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A woman on another forum is angry with God (yes, really) because her family has turned into a bunch of slobs. She relocated, giving up a good job, to be a caregiver for her mother. Her boss offered her a telecommute position. She worked that for awhile, and then was downsized.

Now the men of the house are acting like bachelors. Dishes don't get done, food lands and stays (I say get a dog) and she can't go on strike because she can't handle how bad things get.

Here's why I'm in this folder. Nobody has offered her any advice other than to pray more. Oh - and hugs. Lots of hugs. One suggested maid service. NOBODY suggested the men in this situation be on the receiving end of a 'Come to Jesus' chat. I'm not going to post until I have something to say other than "FFS, what is WRONG with you people!!?"

Any ideas?

I read through some of this thread and side with people who'd advise to "put your foot down - don't tolerate it - make rules and force everyone to stick with them."

She shouldn't have ot even be everyone's caregiver and maid in this situation - she's now "mom" status - and what she says should go on penatly of punishment, seeing as how everyone's acting like children - they should be treated as such.

In fact - if it were me - I'd do exactly that.

(imagining myself in this situation) I'd chain the fridge - padlock the cabinets - to get everyone's attention . . .and then talk.

I remember when I was a kid my Mom went out of town for a week - while she was gone the house went to ****. . . stains on the carpets - onthing was cleaned - my Dad was too busy working to care. She was infuriated when she came home.

AFter we cleaned the entire house - Before we could get a book or toy to read or play with we had to sign it out from the pantry . . . only one item at a time . . . must be turned in before withdrawing a new one.

She kept that up for a very looong time - an entire school year of all things. Even after Christmas- our toys went in there. . . that was rather ****ty, but it made the point clear.

(I know I keep adding ot my post with edits - sorry)
ON the religious note - I feel bad for her. I was raised in a religious home - and as this situation I just wrote about exhibits - cleaning was the job of the female in the home, not my father. Parenting responsibilites were all hers - punishments and everything. It was a terrible situation, I now feel that parents and adults should be 50/50 . . .only 60/40 if one is a stay at home parent. If everyone works, however, then it's impossible and offensive for one to do all and the others to do none.
 
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I read through some of this thread and side with people who'd advise to "put your foot down - don't tolerate it - make rules and force everyone to stick with them."

She shouldn't have ot even be everyone's caregiver and maid in this situation - she's now "mom" status - and what she says should go on penatly of punishment, seeing as how everyone's acting like children - they should be treated as such.

In fact - if it were me - I'd do exactly that.

(imagining myself in this situation) I'd chain the fridge - padlock the cabinets - to get everyone's attention . . .and then talk.

I remember when I was a kid my Mom went out of town for a week - while she was gone the house went to ****. . . stains on the carpets - onthing was cleaned - my Dad was too busy working to care. She was infuriated when she came home.

AFter we cleaned the entire house - Before we could get a book or toy to read or play with we had to sign it out from the pantry . . . only one item at a time . . . must be turned in before withdrawing a new one.

She kept that up for a very looong time - an entire school year of all things. Even after Christmas- our toys went in there. . . that was rather ****ty, but it made the point clear.

(I know I keep adding ot my post with edits - sorry)
ON the religious note - I feel bad for her. I was raised in a religious home - and as this situation I just wrote about exhibits - cleaning was the job of the female in the home, not my father. Parenting responsibilites were all hers - punishments and everything. It was a terrible situation, I now feel that parents and adults should be 50/50 . . .only 60/40 if one is a stay at home parent. If everyone works, however, then it's impossible and offensive for one to do all and the others to do none.

It's okay on the editing, we wound up with a very thoughtful, insightful post.

I hope the original poster is at least reading, if not responding (over there) because she really does need to do something rather than simmer.
 
I view a lot of things in life from the Buddhist perspective. A lot of hardship in life are trials and tribulations meant to test you and make you even stronger. That's how I personally see things anyway.

As for reality-based advice. Get in touch with a Marine Corps drill instructor and he will whip all their asses back into shape.

Nearest I have come to being involved in a murder in a hospital is working as a victim advocate for a woman that had been beaten and raped. We had managed to lower the dread level to 'tolerable' and her family was VERY appropriately supportive...and then an older woman walking by the door made the comment "I wonder what she must have done for God to have caused that to happen to her..." Her mother had to be physically restrained and then sedated...

so...just sayin...stand over there for a sec willya?
 
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