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Reagan was no fiscally Conservative hero

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Reagan is heralded as a great fiscal Conservative hero. But what do the facts show?

The facts show that under Reagan's tax-cutting/increased-spending logic, our national debt EXPLODED. Just look at the graph:

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So, was Reagan REALLY a hero of fiscal Conservatism? Only if fiscal Conservatives believing in spending trillions of dollars that we don't have.
 
Reagan is heralded as a great fiscal Conservative hero. But what do the facts show?

The facts show that under Reagan's tax-cutting/increased-spending logic, our national debt EXPLODED. Just look at the graph:

thunder-albums-pics-picture67117505-inflation-1.jpg


So, was Reagan REALLY a hero of fiscal Conservatism? Only if fiscal Conservatives believing in spending trillions of dollars that we don't have.

By people who have no idea what they are talking about.
 
Let's look at some more charts.
1980s Economy.webp

All while cutting income tax rates from 70% to 28%, corporate tax rates from 46% to 34%, and ending the Cold War. Reagan proved that you could cut taxes while increasing revenues. Sure, his spending increased along with it but the majority of the budget was spent on defense. Sounds like a conservative's wet dream to me :lol:
 
Let's look at some more charts.

All while cutting income tax rates from 70% to 28%, corporate tax rates from 46% to 34%, and ending the Cold War. Reagan proved that you could cut taxes while increasing revenues. Sure, his spending increased along with it but the majority of the budget was spent on defense. Sounds like a conservative's wet dream to me :lol:

This is exactly it. Let's divorce, for a moment, government spending and defense spending, the same way liberals like to divorce government spending and entitlement spending.

If you look at government spending devoid of defense, Reagan was a great budget hawk who helped lower taxes, raise revenues, and lower spending. The problem was this teensy tinsy neighbor called the USSR. Reagan, in order to protect Americans and bring down the Soviet Union, dramatically increased defense spending to both modernize our weaponry, and develop beyond the Soviets. At that time, many forget, the USSR had more advanced weaponry, including a larger and more advanced supply of nukes, than we did. By supporting anti-socialist governments around the world, we hoped to roll back the Soviet influence and break down the Soviet Union. Guess what? We succeeded.

Now, what Reagan did wasn't all good. Obviously, some of our anti-socialist allies around the world have turned into a thorn in our sides, and I for one regret the decisions to topple those pro-Soviet regimes.

Also, our defense spending bubble, while necessary under the Reagan Doctrine, has long been obsolete. We have the most advanced military in the world, bar none, and with our squadron of F22s alone we could maintain air superiority over the entire planet. And that's not an exaggeration. Obviously, we need to be able to update our military to reflect the growing changes and older hardware we currently use. But that does not mean we have to spend over half a trillion dollars on defense. Even in the post 9/11 world, a bigger bomb or a faster jet isn't going to do us much good against terrorists.
 
Reagan is heralded as a great fiscal Conservative hero. But what do the facts show?

The facts show that under Reagan's tax-cutting/increased-spending logic, our national debt EXPLODED. Just look at the graph:

thunder-albums-pics-picture67117505-inflation-1.jpg


So, was Reagan REALLY a hero of fiscal Conservatism? Only if fiscal Conservatives believing in spending trillions of dollars that we don't have.
Yeah, by 2005 Reagan really spent some bucks during his sixth term in office. How could Americans let a maniac like that stay in office so long. :roll:
 
Yeah, by 2005 Reagan really spent some bucks during his sixth term in office. How could Americans let a maniac like that stay in office so long. :roll:
Sounds like a maniac progressives wet dream... cradle to grave spending !
 
That's not a bad graph Thunder, but absent context it really doesn't tell us much. Why did the deficit begin to go up so precipitously in his presidency, and why did the trend continue?
 
All while cutting income tax rates from 70% to 28%, corporate tax rates from 46% to 34%, and ending the Cold War. Reagan proved that you could cut taxes while increasing revenues. Sure, his spending increased along with it but the majority of the budget was spent on defense. Sounds like a conservative's wet dream to me :lol:

Sorta.

Historical Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary

In Real Dollar terms, Reagan's revenue fluctuated sometimes by nearly a hundred billion dollars.

Your graphs are in nominal. Furthermore, he's hardly a fiscal conservative's wet dream as deficit spending occurred every year, he bailed out social security and enacted one of the largest tax hikes on the American people.
 
Reagan did a good job of engaging the Soviet Union, but he should not be credited with its collapse. That can be blamed on 70 years of central planning, poorly implemented perestroika, glasnost poking holes in the police state, growing nationalism, corruption, and an overly massive military-industrial complex that had been far too large for decades. Reagan did a good job in some areas and a poor job in others. I don't see why each side likes to hold him up as Jesus/the Antichrist all of the time.
 
Reagan did a good job of engaging the Soviet Union, but he should not be credited with its collapse. That can be blamed on 70 years of central planning, poorly implemented perestroika, glasnost poking holes in the police state, growing nationalism, corruption, and an overly massive military-industrial complex that had been far too large for decades. Reagan did a good job in some areas and a poor job in others. I don't see why each side likes to hold him up as Jesus/the Antichrist all of the time.

Soviet Communism killed itself, that's how I see it. Reagan maybe kinda sorta helped it along, but I think he should only really get credit for being there when it all collapsed like a house of cards. It was the Soviet command economy and internal politics that really did it in.
 
Soviet Communism killed itself, that's how I see it. Reagan maybe kinda sorta helped it along, but I think he should only really get credit for being there when it all collapsed like a house of cards. It was the Soviet command economy and internal politics that really did it in.
I think the Soviet Union would have collapsed under its own weight eventually, but I do think Reagan's policies helped move it along faster than would have happened on its own.
 
I think the Soviet Union would have collapsed under its own weight eventually, but I do think Reagan's policies helped move it along faster than would have happened on its own.

Maybe so. I'd say Gorbachev policies 95% - Reagan policies 5% in terms of their respective contributions towards the fall of the USSR.
 
Maybe so. I'd say Gorbachev policies 95% - Reagan policies 5% in terms of their respective contributions towards the fall of the USSR.
If you narrow it to Gorbachev's time, yes. Reagan started his "assault" prior to that, and I think had an impact setting the wheels in motion.
 
The problems plaguing the USSR had been building for decades. Soviet military spending did go up during Reagan's tenure, and we don't know what impact US support had on Afghanistan. However, this probably would have happened without Reagan's prodding. The USSR didn't collapse due to bankruptcy. The economy had always kind of sucked, and Gorbachev's reforms poked enough holes in the police state to encourage people already critical of the state to finally say "**** this". Even if Reagan pushed the date forward by a few year, I very much doubt that the Soviet Union would have
 
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