"Rape has nothing to do with sex; it is all about power"

[CLAX1911]

It can't be the only power they have. If they're willing to use force, and capable of doing so effectively, there are many possible outlets to express their power: robbery, violent battery, murder, extortion, etc.

Some rape doesn't necessarily require force.

There's a reason why they chose to do so in a sexual manner: because it IS, to some degree, about sex.

I already said this earlier in the thread. Post #8 I believe.

 

[blarg]

Some rape doesn't necessarily require force.

I already said this earlier in the thread. Post #8 I believe.

It's an assault but it is sexual so sex has a little too do with it mostly on the part of the attacker. They chose sexual assault verses another form of assault.

it can be more then a little

 

[CLAX1911]

well no sometimes none of the people you want to have sex with will have sex with you

some times people who are wiling to have sex with you are not gratifying

some times your impatient for gratification

sex is not easy to get for every one I know I despaired of ever being able to have sex with any one who I found to be attractive and thus gratifying

So what?

 

[CLAX1911]

It's an assault but it is sexual so sex has a little too do with it mostly on the part of the attacker. They chose sexual assault verses another form of assault.

it can be more then a little

Prove it.

 

[Henrin]

It's rare that there is a universal or singular motivation for people to take part in an act.

 

[molten_dragon]

Poll question:

Do you agree with this statement? "Rape has nothing to do with sex; ALL rape is about power, control and/or violence".

Poll is anonymous, so you can answer honestly without worrying about people's reaction to you personally.

Please choose the correct gender for your option.

I disagree with it. I think it's too over-simplified. And logically, it simply doesn't make any sense to say that having sex with someone against their will has nothing to do with sex.

 

[blarg]

So what?

your explanation for why sexual desire is never the primary motivation for rape has holes you can drive a penis through without consent

 

[CLAX1911]

your explanation for why sexual desire is never the primary motivation for rape has holes

To you?

Big deal.

 

[blarg]

To you?

Big deal.

to some rapists
and people who are opposed to rape or who want to understand why it happens better

 

[lizzie]

Since the poll question is so absolutist in nature, I hesitate to agree totally. I tend to believe that rape is usually about power, and not about sex, but I'm not certain that the two can be completely separated out from each other, whether the subject is rape or consentual sex. I don't think it's about sexuality in the intimate and pleasurable exchange manner, but there is a little of a power/sex connection that isn't about pleasure and mutual bonding, and it occurs in the short span of time at which one feels out-of-control and a bit disconnected. It isn't a feeling of purely pleasure, and it's really not a feeling of power, but the thought of purposefully and coldly using someone to achieve that state may tend to make the rapist feel that there is a certain sense of control.

 

[CLAX1911]

to some rapists
and people who are opposed to rape or who want to understand why it happens better

Whatever you say.

 

[herenow1]

Out of curiosity. Did ChrisL and Gathomos get suspended? I haven't seen them weigh in yet

 

[blarg]

Whatever you say.

genius clax genius

 

[CLAX1911]

genius clax genius

Okay then.

 

[joko104]

What state do you live in again?

Currently Florida. Previously Illinois. I am confident my conduct in Illinois was legal because my standard consent request statement was written by a board certified criminal defense attorney and I acted with it's parameters limitations. I'm covered in Florida by a written request and consent sworn contract. I certainly would never want to commit any crimes against women. Since I'm not really a nice guy and do not share some popular social values concerning sexuality, clarification in terms of request and consent is best for everyone involved. However, I also do not wish to try to divert this thread's topic to having anything to do with me.

 

[joko104]

There are people, most of whom are men, who find causing other people to suffer highly pleasurable. That likely also is on the list of reasons for rape. To cause another person to suffer.

 

[joko104]

Out of curiosity. Did ChrisL and Gathomos get suspended? I haven't seen them weigh in yet

:lol:

 

[Muhammed]

Rape is about control. Sometimes violent control. Power.

Sex is about sex.

The two are not equal or similar.

By definition, rape necessarily involves sex. Otherwise it wouldn't be rape.

 

[joko104]

I didn't quite understand why you couldn't vote; could you elucidate pls.

This is they type of poll that should be anonymous. While I doubt anyone will admit to having raped anyone, it does allow more candor in terms of voting. It would be interesting if messages could be anonymous too, though that would raise a major trolling and baiting problem.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

Now let me address something... those who strongly believe the motivation is about POWER.



What is the purpose of power? Why does anyone want it?


Simple answer: power enables you to get what you want and have things your way.


What did the rapist use power to get?


... *sexual gratification*. Warped sexual gratification, granted, but sexual nonetheless... if it was exclusively about power and violence he could have just used a 2x4 on your noggin...

Not necessarily. Some people simply derive pleasure from reducing other people.

Also, there's a difference between wanting sex, and wanting something which you then can get sexual pleasure from.

When people ask if rape I'd about sex, they're generally asking if rape is about nice feelings on your genitals, not whether some aspect of the power trip may be sexually enjoyable to the rapist, similarly to how someone may enjoy a non sexual object enough visually that it produces a sexual response.

I don't think there is any question rape is not about nice feelings on genitals. In many cases, it's probably far less stimulating than consensual sex.

If there is any sexuality involved, it takes the form of something psychological which can be converted -- by a rapist, anyway -- into a sex aid as much as an ego boost.

But you can do that with anything. There's probably someone out there with a fetish for pens.

 

[CLAX1911]

By definition, rape necessarily involves sex. Otherwise it wouldn't be rape.

by definition beating somebody with a 2x4 involves lumber. So is somebody doing that to express their lumber jack desires?

 

[herenow1]

There are people, most of whom are men, who find causing other people to suffer highly pleasurable. That likely also is on the list of reasons for rape. To cause another person to suffer.

Which is kinda scary b/c that means you can pass by a serial rapist, an 'occasional' rapist, or even a man who's raped once, and not even know it. I'm sure they look like 'regular' guys too.

 

[blarg]

Not necessarily. Some people simply derive pleasure from reducing other people.

Also, there's a difference between wanting sex, and wanting something which you then can get sexual pleasure from.

When people ask if rape I'd about sex, they're generally asking if rape is about nice feelings on your genitals, not whether some aspect of the power trip may be sexually enjoyable to the rapist, similarly to how someone may enjoy a non sexual object enough visually that it produces a sexual response.

I don't think there is any question rape is not about nice feelings on genitals. In many cases, it's probably far less stimulating than consensual sex.

If there is any sexuality involved, it takes the form of something psychological which can be converted -- by a rapist, anyway -- into a sex aid as much as an ego boost.

I agree with the ego boost idea but sex is not always about increased pleasure I can have a great orgasm with my hand but I like sex with my girl find better when given a choice between the 2

though sex itself can give an ego boost with some one you would proudly say you have had sex with especially

 

[joko104]

Notice that a majority of women agree with the poll statement, and a majority of men disagree/have doubts.


I expected that.


Why? Because of the way men and women view sex differently, and the difference in the way our sex drives operate.

Women's sexual drives are relatively complicated.

Men's default sex drive can be summed up as "STICK THIS IN SOMEWHERE QUICK!!!!"



Women can't imagine rape being sexually satisfying in any way.

Men know different, even if, as civilized gentlemen, they'd rather not admit it.

I doubt few men would dare give perfectly truthful answers to some more specific questions. Rather, they would give cautiously worded good answers that MIGHT somewhat tell a bit of truth by reading between the lines.

I have never sexually assaulted anyone in the legal definition of it and have extreme negative reactions towards true abuse of women and children. Therefore, clear and absolute consent must have been given. However, I do not have the popular view of sexuality that the role of a man in sex is for him to do and not do exactly what the woman dictates in precise detail moment to moment.

 

[joko104]

Which is kinda scary b/c that means you can pass by a serial rapist, an 'occasional' rapist, or even a man who's raped once, and not even know it. I'm sure they look like 'regular' guys too.

I've read serial rapists tend to have (outwardly) notably pleasant personalities and would seem particularly safe.

When one see rape victim statistics, how high the percentage is, the unstated statistic of course is the obviously large number of men who committed those offenses. One reason I think we often see so many messages raging against women in one way or another on nearly an forum is a forum is a safe place for a sex-predator personally to operation - though that doesn't mean the male/man actual has raped anyone. Abuse porn (sadism/rape porn) is big on the Internet. It would be so if there weren't a lot of men who literally "get off" on that.

A curious aspect is it not rare to catch a serial rapist who is married, has children, and the wife insists he is not abusive to her and is a great parent.