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Rap and drill music is part of America's racial problem

poweRob said:
Reminds me of my younger years where idiot conservatives parents who had a troubled kid who killed himself decided it was the fault of him having listened to Judas Priest albums and sued them (unsuccessfully). This is just more of the same.
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Very similar. Hide a profound problem with a simpler, more convenient one.
 
Chainsawmassacre said:
All you need is love and blue suede shoes verses **** that bitch whore kill that cop shoot that nigger down. Yeah right.
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Just saying...parents were as aghast at Elvis and the Beatles as they are at Rap now...maybe more aghast at Elvis and the Beatles. It is just not ground we should be plowing in especially if we don't have a solid background in either the cultural environment that spawned the music or the music itself. Of course you are welcome to yammer away. Don't expect me to do more than laugh at you for trying to build again that old tired bridge from musical expression to violence on the streets or sex or any other damn thing people decide is linked somehow to musical expression.
 
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NatMorton said:
I think the difference is that (most) video games clearly present events in the context of a fantasy world. Drill music is something else entirely and very, very real.
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I don’t play video games, so I can’t speak to video games.

I don’t think any entertainment is bad and causes people to act in any way.

I frankly could not care less what adults consume in regards to entertainment. Nor what adults produce in regards to entertainment.

As long as parents do THEIR jobs, then children shouldn’t be exposed to any mature content/lyrics/images/games. And when they are, parents should make sure that it is explained in the context of being entertainment - not a “road map” for life. That’s what parents do, parent, guide and raise their children.
 
That's like saying video games are the cause of gun violence. Same lazy, dishonest argument that avoids deeper causes that many refuse to face.
 
BirdinHand said:
I don’t think any entertainment is bad and causes people to act in any way.
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Sorry, no, it can be part of a feedback loop, but it is not the source of the problem.

Question: would you show similar hesitancy criticizing lyrics that, say, glorified the actions of Derek Chauvin or Ahmaud Arbery's killers?
 
jnug said:
Just saying...parents were as aghast at Elvis and the Beatles as they are at Rap now...maybe more aghast at Elvis and the Beatles. It is just not ground we should be plowing in especially if we don't have a solid background in either the cultural environment that spawned the music or the music itself. Of course you are welcome to yammer away. Don't expect me to do more than laugh at you for trying to build again that old tired bridge from musical expression to violence on the streets.
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Sorry but singing about murder and rape and the thug life in a fashion that makes it look glamorous crosses a line no matter what your age is.
 
NatMorton said:
I think it was more accidental than that. Belts are often removed from those incarcerated because they can be used as a weapon. So the consequential "low-pants" look became the perp look.
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That makes sense too.
 
Chainsawmassacre said:
Doesn't answer my question.
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I don’t have a specific answer. I liked it when I was a teenager and young 20’s. It was popular then. Seeing it at the Super Bowl halftime was fun because it reminded me of hanging out with my friends at that age.

We were middle class kids in suburban USA and would listen to the music while “cruising” and stopping to get milkshakes - or going to under 21 dance clubs and then over 21 dance clubs.

I’m a mid 40’s wife and Mom. My days consist of PTO meetings, raising a 6 year old, driving a 6 year old to baseball/soccer/swim lessons, etc and running a house. Also adding in some working hours.

I couldn’t even tell you what “popular” music is today because I rarely even have the radio on in my car, because my son talks constantly and the radio diminishes that.

To me it was a fun trip down memory lane - and the same with my husband. We were like “omg, I remember the one time we were doing XYZ” as we watched the halftime show. We enjoyed the memories of when we were young and basically carefree that the show brought back. Now we are adults with responsibilities and family.
 
Chainsawmassacre said:
Sorry but singing about murder and rape and the thug life in a fashion that makes it look glamorous crosses a line no matter what your age is.
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Worse than slumlords using lead paint?
 
BirdinHand said:
I don’t play video games, so I can’t speak to video games.

I don’t think any entertainment is bad and causes people to act in any way.

I frankly could not care less what adults consume in regards to entertainment. Nor what adults produce in regards to entertainment.

As long as parents do THEIR jobs, then children shouldn’t be exposed to any mature content/lyrics/images/games. And when they are, parents should make sure that it is explained in the context of being entertainment - not a “road map” for life. That’s what parents do, parent, guide and raise their children.
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Do you let your children watch porn and explain its just entertainment?
 
NatMorton said:
Sorry, no, it can be part of a feedback loop, but it is not the source of the problem.

Question: would you show similar hesitancy criticizing lyrics that, say, glorified the actions of Derek Chauvin or Ahmaud Arbery's killers?
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I’m not at all in touch with current music trends. Do these exist?

I honestly rarely listen to any music anymore and am completely out of touch so I have no idea.
 
Chainsawmassacre said:
Only a matter of time. White kids have emulated black culture for a long time now. In the past this was a positive that led to things like Elvis and the blues becoming mainstream music. Now we have this black on black thug culture violence glorified through music and white kids are following along getting inked up to look the part and talking the talk. Only a matter of time until they join in with actual violence and start shooting each other to prove they are the real thing.
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What a bunch of nonsense about the good old days.

Don't you remember how the establishment was horrified by Elvis' sexuality?

Only a matter of time before the evils of rap spoil the white kids? Rap/hip hop have been around since the late seventies. Tick tock.
 
Yakshi said:
Personally, rap music isn't a problem for me because I rarely listen to it. Offensive lyrics don't inspire action in me in the same way that violent computer games and violent movies don't lead me to violence either.

"I saw Godfather II and then I blasted my friend in his car and stole his cannoli," said no one, ever.

Luckily for me, when I saw the halftime show during the Super Bowl, I didn't feel the need to rush to Twitter or the nearest Internet forum to express rage over the content, meanwhile ignoring the offensive content of numerous white-boy songs, movies, and video games that I casually accept without complaint.

No, instead I just enjoyed the show. Funny, that.

But sure, if the old angry whites want some input about young black music, by all means, let them chip in.

Let them all write a letter and mail it to someone or other.

Imagine if black guys created Counterstrike. Holy Christ. Imagining the white rage! Fox News wouldn't need CRT.
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I see, so you are going with "I have no opinion at all about this very caustic culture and behavior phenomenon in the USA, even though I often blame Whites for preventing blacks from succeeding".

Thanks Yakshi.

And this has been a thing for decades, didnt start at the Super Bowl. The guy in the OP link isnt a "White Conservative" and neither am I, although I am a fabulously prosperous and successful European White Male. If we are to have an HONEST discussion about race and "racism" in America, the propensity toward violence and criminality is going to have to be a part of that discussion too.
 
JMB802 said:
Don't you remember how the establishment was horrified by Elvis' sexuality?
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Elvis gyrating his pelvis around is a pretty far cry from "Lets go steal some shit and shoot some cops" JMB. C'mon, lets get real. We need Real Talk.
 
Chainsawmassacre said:
Do you let your children watch porn and explain its just entertainment?
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My son is 6. There’s no porn that he’s watching. I have parental controls set on his iPad…which he uses infrequently.

He barely even watches tv, to be honest, because he prefers to play outside or with his toys when he is inside. So, no porn there either.

I did borrow a Nintendo Switch yesterday from a friend - for our upcoming flights. There’s an Ironman Lego game and Mario Kart. I’m pretty confident there will be no porn in either.
 
BirdinHand said:
I’m not at all in touch with current music trends. Do these exist?

I honestly rarely listen to any music anymore and am completely out of touch so I have no idea.
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It’s a hypothetical. How would you react to it?
 
JMB802 said:
What a bunch of nonsense about the good old days.

Don't you remember how the establishment was horrified by Elvis' sexuality?

Only a matter of time before the evils of rap spoil the white kids? Rap/hip hop have been around since the late seventies. Tick tock.
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And our culture has declined as violence, misogyny, drugs and murder have become at some level more normalized. Soldiers in Afghanistan were safer than black kids in Chicago.
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
Elvis gyrating his pelvis around is a pretty far cry from "Lets go steal some shit and shoot some cops" JMB. C'mon, lets get real. We need Real Talk.
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Both have had about the same effect.
 
Chainsawmassacre said:
And our culture has declined as violence, misogyny, drugs and murder have become at some level more normalized. Soldiers in Afghanistan were safer than black kids in Chicago.
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I guarantee you that music and entertainment isn’t the root cause.
 
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