“Unspeakable” crimes? That’s funny, said crimes are hailed as heroic when the U.S. commits them. So much for them being “unspeakable”.A good examples of rationalization is when the kid who gets caught talking in class, he defends himself by saying other kids were talking too. This isn't an argument, for he was guilty of talking. He's rationalizing it.
Russia invades Ukraine and commits unspeakable crimes and you rationalize it, like the student, by saying others were doing it too. This isn't an argument, for Russia is guilty of invading Ukraine and committing unspeakable crimes. You're rationalizing.
Correct. Its my estimation that a direct Russia-Ukraine negotiations probably will lead nowhere. Ukraine is not in a position to take positions independent of the US. Nor independent of Europe either. Europe has to get on board. So far Trump has tried to conduct mediations with Russia and Ukraine without the Europeans. But Europeans cannot be sidelined just like that. They are capable of pouring billions of dollars in arms into Ukraine; so they cannot be ignored by Russia either. Maybe US, Eu, Russia summit is the format that has any chance
Its pointless because Putin doesn't want peace. He wants Ukraine.
You complaining about warmongering rings a bit hollow when you back Putin no matter what he does.America doesn’t want peace. It wants to carve up Russia, and has since the Romanovs fell and the biggest threat to America’s much cherished capitalist system emerged.
“Unspeakable” crimes? That’s funny, said crimes are hailed as heroic when the U.S. commits them. So much for them being “unspeakable”.
Putin looks like a ****ing humanitarian compared to, like, the last half a dozen American presidents.You complaining about warmongering rings a bit hollow when you back Putin no matter what he does.
Another thread where American apologists panic when confronted with reality instead of the carefully arranged propaganda the U.S. relies on to dope its populace into compliance.Another thread derailed by Whataboutism.
All I'm saying is that you don't have a lot of moral authority if you're pro-Putin when he's invading someone.Putin looks like a ****ing humanitarian compared to, like, the last half a dozen American presidents.
Carter is the last guy America has elected who wasn’t a complete war criminal.
Putin looks like a ****ing humanitarian compared to, like, the last half a dozen American presidents.
Reagan was complicit in at least three separate genocides and he’s hailed as an “American hero”.All I'm saying is that you don't have a lot of moral authority if you're pro-Putin when he's invading someone.
You can stop pretending you're better than people now.
So close! As already pointed out to you, Ronald Reagan was complicit in at least three separate genocides, so he’d have Putin beat by far in the war crimes category.As usual, addicted to Whataboutism & anti-Americanism, you are wrong.
Putzin is the biggest war criminal to walk this planet since Hitler.
Dude, you're supporting a war of aggression/conquest, where Russian missiles are targeting apartment buildings. Let's be clear about that.Reagan was complicit in at least three separate genocides and he’s hailed as an “American hero”.
Quite frankly, dude, I’m not buying for a nanosecond any of the posturing about Putin is genuine.
Maybe when the American military and intelligence officers who helped Saddam gas all those Iranian civilians, for example, get dragged off to The Hague I’ll take your posturing seriously….but not before then.
Dude, the U.S. was giving Saddam targeting info so he could toss gas through the window of Iranian civilians, in a war Iraq started so it could grab Khuzestan. Let’s be clear about that—Dude, you're supporting a war of aggression/conquest, where Russian missiles are targeting apartment buildings. Let's be clear about that.
So you don't have any room to bitch.
Yes, yes, that's fine.Dude, the U.S. was giving Saddam targeting info so he could toss gas through the window of Iranian civilians, in a war Iraq started so it could grab Khuzestan. Let’s be clear about that—
There was a blatant use of WMDs, and the U.S. was willing to sacrifice the lives of U.S. servicemen to help the aggressor, as what happened to the Stark shows.
And given how the US has gone out of its way to honor scumbags like Eddie Gallagher, who shot up neighborhoods full of civilians for shits and giggles, your claims hold little weight.
Yeah, given you apparently have no issue with the use of chemical weapons on civilians, I’m not buying for a second you care about that.Yes, yes, that's fine.
You are supporting a man who is invading a neighbor and targeting civilians.
So I don't care about your hypocritical opinions on America, the UK, or whatever. You're supporting the exact same things.
Outstanding.Yeah, given you apparently have no issue with the use of chemical weapons on civilians, I’m not buying for a second you care about that.
Did Iran stop bordering Iraq at some point? The exact same criteria exist there that you supposedly care about.
Let’s see some evidence Russia used mustard gas, as Iraq did with full U.S. backing.
Hmm. Apparently you purposefully skipped over the whole “US backed chemical weapons attacks on civilians so Iraq could seize Khuzestan”.Outstanding.
You are supporting a war of aggression in which civilians are targeted.
Why you are supporting Russia's evil shit is beyond me, but the fact is that you are in fact doing that.
So your complaints about other countries are hypocritical and meaningless.
What sanctions do you want him to impose that Biden didnt already enact?
Putin is demanding that 1000's of Russians attack Ukrainian positions and are killed or maimed every single day to amuse him. Yet he is too much of a coward himself to fly to Turkey and meet with Zelensky to discuss a ceasefire. Ukraine has made the decision to defend itself from Putin's genocide and is not asking others to join the fight. They only want the weapons they need to defend their population from total annihilation by a genocidal maniac who is trying to emulate his hero Stalin. It seems the least we can do under those circumstances.What “rationalization”? The people yapping loudest about Putin would never, ever, actually risk themselves in the trenches “fighting Russia”. They yap away from complete safety and demand other people fight to the death to amuse them.
The US is too cowardly to admit fighting to defend slavery was a great evil, which makes your accusations meaningless.Putin is demanding that 1000's of Russians attack Ukrainian positions and are killed or maimed every single day to amuse him. Yet he is too much of a coward himself to fly to Turkey and meet with Zelensky to discuss a ceasefire. Ukraine has made the decision to defend itself from Putin's genocide and is not asking others to join the fight. They only want the weapons they need to defend their population from total annihilation by a genocidal maniac who is trying to emulate his hero Stalin. It seems the least we can do under those circumstances.
By telling Trump the truth about Putin which Trump did not like hearing that. He has since found that Zelensky was 100% correct in saying Putin does not want peace and negotiating with him is futileLOL How did Zelensky handle his face to face at the Oval Office?
No ancient and tired whataboutisms do not make Putin's genocide in Ukraine acceptable no matter how hard you try. He must be defeated and pay for his crimes.The US is too cowardly to admit fighting to defend slavery was a great evil, which makes your accusations meaningless.
Ukraine has made the decision to forcibly conscript endless waves of its people in a desperate, failed attempt to reconquer people who don’t want to be a part of Ukraine.
Ukraine has repeatedly demanded the US join the war, so that’s clearly not true.
The international community has refused Western claims of “genocide”, especially given Western complicity in the mass murder campaign in Gaza.No ancient and tired whataboutisms do not make Putin's genocide in Ukraine acceptable no matter how hard you try. He must be defeated and pay for his crimes.
The members of the Russian "Federation" want to carve up Russia and get their independence from Moscow slavery. When Russia collapses many of them will get their wish.America doesn’t want peace. It wants to carve up Russia, and has since the Romanovs fell and the biggest threat to America’s much cherished capitalist system emerged.
Except that’s blatantly false, as by the pathetic failure of the West to create any sort of significant resistance movement anywhere within Russia.The members of the Russian "Federation" want to carve up Russia and get their independence from Moscow slavery. When Russia collapses many of them will get their wish.
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