Putin refuses to meet with Zelensky in Turkey

[Tigerace117]

They’ve moved.

Aww, someone can’t bear to face up to the facts about what the “most powerful military ever” had to resort to during its defeats

It’s okay, I’m sure some boogeyman will come along to help the military frantically deflect blame form its failures, just like in Vietnam.

 

[Pyrite]

Surprise suprise. Putin lied about wanting talks with Zelensky and is too much of a coward to fly to Istanbul. Putin does not want a ceasefire and does not want peace. Now we will see if Trump has the backbone to back up his words with action and finally places the sanctions on Russia he has threatened or is as feckless and weak as he usually appears to the world. Talk is cheap Donald, now is the time for action.

Looks as if trump and putin are two of a kind: all talk, no hat.

 

[Tigerace117]

They were not combatants. There foreign workers doing infrastructure work being paid by the U.S.

Getting shot at while guarding a convoy is absolutely combat.

I get the US military was far too cowardly to own up to its failures in Vietnam and invented a whole “stabbed in the back” myth to cope, but no amount of flailing can change the fact that traditional “frontlines” didn’t exist in guerrilla warfare.

 

[Tigerace117]

Looks as if trump and putin are two of a kind: all talk, no hat.

The US has always been full of hot air. For example, its incessant screeching about “Russian tyranny” while targeting civil rights activists for death, and its plans to send Afghans who worked for America back into certain death because they aren’t white.

 

[j brown's body]

I’m sure Putin has more tricks he could pull out of his sleeve with more help from North Korea, China, and Iran.

That he uses foreign troops but warns other countries not to provide them to Ukraine is an indication he doesn't see Ukraine as a legitimate nation.

 

[Ikari]

Well no one is surprised. Trump will get his talking orders from Putin on this, and we will continue to drag this along.

 

[gman]

Aww, someone can’t bear to face up to the facts about what the “most powerful military ever” had to resort to during its defeats

It’s okay, I’m sure some boogeyman will come along to help the military frantically deflect blame form its failures, just like in Vietnam.

Aww, some people like to deflect when they have no answer or know what they’re saying is a crock of shit. Insisting contractors were combatants is a perfect example. Insisting Russia won WWII without giving credit to massive allied supplies is another. Insisting the NVA kicked our ass is another.

 

[gman]

Getting shot at while guarding a convoy is absolutely combat.

I get the US military was far too cowardly to own up to its failures in Vietnam and invented a whole “stabbed in the back” myth to cope, but no amount of flailing can change the fact that traditional “frontlines” didn’t exist in guerrilla warfare.

I used the term front lines very loosely meaning where the action was. Don’t pat yourself on the back with a supposed gotcha. You don’t deserve it.

 

[Tigerace117]

Aww, some people like to deflect when they have no answer or know what they’re saying is a crock of shit. Insisting contractors were combatants is a perfect example. Insisting Russia won WWII without giving credit to massive allied supplies is another. Insisting the NVA kicked our ass is another.

The Russians took on and crushed over three quarters of the Nazis’ military. The West was fighting the JV and units withdraw to recover from being mauled by the Soviets, and still struggled immensely.

But I get the US still hasn’t gotten over the Soviets helping bring down apartheid and crushing Hitler and the Nazis, both of whom America admired dearly. Hell, there was a whole American political movement expelled by Rhodesia for being too racist.

 

[Tigerace117]

I used the term front lines very loosely meaning where the action was. Don’t pat yourself on the back with a supposed gotcha. You don’t deserve it.

In other words, you are flailing in a panic because your claims aren’t supported by the body count, but you can’t bear to face up to it. Noted.

 

[j brown's body]

This is pretty hilarious. Zelensky's supposed to deal with two autocrats!?

Trump gonna be the buddy autocrat.

Trump Again Offers To Attend Ukraine-Russia Peace Talks In Turkey In Bid To Lure Putin

US President Donald Trump has offered to make a detour and stop in Turkey during his trip to the Middle East if it will persuade his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin to show up at talks aimed at moving toward a peace deal between Kyiv and Moscow to end Europe's worst conflict since World War II.

www.rferl.org

 

[gman]

The Russians took on and crushed over three quarters of the Nazis’ military. The West was fighting the JV and units withdraw to recover from being mauled by the Soviets, and still struggled immensely.

But I get the US still hasn’t gotten over the Soviets helping bring down apartheid and crushing Hitler and the Nazis, both of whom America admired dearly. Hell, there was a whole American political movement expelled by Rhodesia for being too racist.

Your position truly is pathetic. Especially your last sentence. Desperate are we?

 

[gman]

In other words, you are flailing in a panic because your claims aren’t supported by the body count, but you can’t bear to face up to it. Noted.

Body count? Were’d that come from? Nobody mentioned anything about body count except you. Still desperate and starting to get unhinged.

 

[Tigerace117]

Your position truly is pathetic. Especially your last sentence. Desperate are we?

America is sending Afghans to certain death and throwing an immense tantrum over refugees fleeing war zones like Mexico—

Oh, and dumping people in El Salvador at any excuse and none at all—

All while rolling out the red carpet for white South Africans fleeing imaginary “genocide”.

The US is a deeply, pathologically racist country. Trying to pretend otherwise is indeed pathetic.

 

[Tigerace117]

Body count? Were’d that come from? Nobody mentioned anything about body count except you. Still desperate and starting to get unhinged.

Gee, other than the over a hundred Turkish contractors killed in Iraq alone i mentioned?

I get it, your panic has left you unable to even attempt to address the facts, but that doesn’t make them go away.

 

[gman]

America is sending Afghans to certain death and throwing an immense tantrum over refugees fleeing war zones like Mexico—

Oh, and dumping people in El Salvador at any excuse and none at all—

All while rolling out the red carpet for white South Africans fleeing imaginary “genocide”.
Ho hum. Another rant, another deflection.
The US is a deeply, pathologically racist country. Trying to pretend otherwise is indeed pathetic.

 

[Tigerace117]

Aww, someone forgot to even try and debunk any of what I pointed out

 

[gman]

Ho hum.. Another rant, another deflection.

 

[Juin]

"Negotiating teams" can't make any decisions and is a waste of time like it was in 2022 when Putin demanded complete capitulation of Ukraine. Putin needs to man up and take some responsibility for a change. It is apparent that Putin is just wasting everyone's time so he can continue his genocide of Ukraine.

In that case Zelensky should stay away

 

[Tigerace117]

Ho hum.. Another rant, another deflection.

Blind denial of the facts can never change them, no matter how desperately you try

 

[gman]

Aww, someone forgot to even try and debunk any of what I pointed out

Why should anyone take what you say seriously? You constantly say a lot of nonsense trying to deflect.

 

[gman]

Gee, other than the over a hundred Turkish contractors killed in Iraq alone i mentioned?

I get it, your panic has left you unable to even attempt to address the facts, but that doesn’t make them go away.

I did respond. You obviously choose to ignore it.

 

[Tigerace117]

Why should anyone take what you say seriously? You constantly say a lot of nonsense trying to deflect.

Because unlike you, I actually face the facts, and provide historical evidence for my claims.

Wails about “nonsense” are little more than the usual desperate attempts to avoid facing up to said reality from Western apologists

 

[j brown's body]

In that case Zelensky should stay away

Well, ya know, Trump told him to do it, so he and Europe had to re-calibrate to placate him and try and keep him from deciding to send Putin military aid.

 

[Tigerace117]

I did respond. You obviously choose to ignore it.

Blind denial is hardly a “response”.

No matter how many times you triple down on it.