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Putin refuses to meet with Zelensky in Turkey

iguanaman said:
Why should Zelensky talk to people that do not make any decisions?
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Get real. Each nation in a conflict selects its own negotiating team. According to you Russia gets to select who Ukraine sends to negotiatre?


iguanaman said:
Zelensky volunteered for a face to face meeting with the man in charge of everything in Russia. If Putin wanted a ceasefire or any negotiations for peace he needs to come himself. But we know the answer to that don't we?
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Get real. If that is the case what is your explanation as to why Zelensky did not go himself to Istanbul in 2022?
 
iguanaman said:
Phones are not face to face meetings. That is how real men negotiate. Are you aware of that?
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LOL How did Zelensky handle his face to face at the Oval Office?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Because unlike you, I actually face the facts, and provide historical evidence for my claims.

Wails about “nonsense” are little more than the usual desperate attempts to avoid facing up to said reality from Western apologists
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You seldom seem to care to comment on the topic.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Blind denial is hardly a “response”.

No matter how many times you triple down on it.
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See my post #50. Stop frothing at the mouth. You won’t win any Putin points.
 
gman said:
See my post #50. Stop frothing at the mouth. You won’t win any Putin points.
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Yawn. Shrieking about imaginary “Russian agents” dates back at least as far as the Palmer Raids...and couldn’t change the facts then either.
 
j brown's body said:
Well, ya know, Trump told him to do it, so he and Europe had to re-calibrate to placate him and try and keep him from deciding to send Putin military aid. :D
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Correct. Its my estimation that a direct Russia-Ukraine negotiations probably will lead nowhere. Ukraine is not in a position to take positions independent of the US. Nor independent of Europe either. Europe has to get on board. So far Trump has tried to conduct mediations with Russia and Ukraine without the Europeans. But Europeans cannot be sidelined just like that. They are capable of pouring billions of dollars in arms into Ukraine; so they cannot be ignored by Russia either. Maybe US, Eu, Russia summit is the format that has any chance
 
Tigerace117 said:
The facts don’t disappear just because American apologists screech about they can’t bear to face up to them.
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Yeah, but they're irrelevant to the topic. They just serve to rationalize Putin's crimes. And I guess that's enough.
 
Juin said:
Correct. Its my estimation that a direct Russia-Ukraine negotiations probably will lead nowhere. Europe has to get on board. So far Trump has tried to conduct mediations with Russia and Ukraine without the Europeans. But Europeans cannot be sidelined just like that. They are capable of pouring billions of dollars in arms into Ukraine; so they cannot be ignored by Russia either. Maybe US, Eu, Russia summit is the format that has any chance
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Its pointless because Putin doesn't want peace. He wants Ukraine.
 
j brown's body said:
Yeah, but they're irrelevant to the topic. They just serve to rationalize Putin's crimes. And I guess that's enough.
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Except they aren’t. Refusal to face reality and wailing “Putin” over and over doesn’t change that.
 
j brown's body said:
Its pointless because Putin doesn't want peace. He wants Ukraine.
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America doesn’t want peace. It wants to carve up Russia, and has since the Romanovs fell and the biggest threat to America’s much cherished capitalist system emerged.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yawn. Shrieking about imaginary “Russian agents” dates back at least as far as the Palmer Raids...and couldn’t change the facts then either.
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What the f*** are you talking about now? You didn’t even read my response. No points for you.😭
 
Tigerace117 said:
America doesn’t want peace. It wants to carve up Russia, and has since the Romanovs fell and the biggest threat to America’s much cherished capitalist system emerged.
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You want Ukraine under Russia's heel.

So sure, let's carve up the heel.
 
gman said:
What the f*** are you talking about now? You didn’t even read my response. No points for you.😭
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Oh really? Nobody’s buying that after you blathered about “Putin points” dude ;)
 
j brown's body said:
You want Ukraine under Russia's heel.

So sure, let's carve up the heel.
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America wanted the Nazis to win.

Russia kicked their asses, so America has had resorted to fantasizing about carving it up themselves.

Not that America could ever successfully accomplish it, no matter how desperately it tries to this day.
 
iguanaman said:
Surprise suprise. Putin lied about wanting talks with Zelensky and is too much of a coward to fly to Istanbul. Putin does not want a ceasefire and does not want peace. Now we will see if Trump has the backbone to back up his words with action and finally places the sanctions on Russia he has threatened or is as feckless and weak as he usually appears to the world. Talk is cheap Donald, now is the time for action.

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What sanctions do you want him to impose that Biden didnt already enact?
 
j brown's body said:
And the rationalizations continue....
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What “rationalization”? The people yapping loudest about Putin would never, ever, actually risk themselves in the trenches “fighting Russia”. They yap away from complete safety and demand other people fight to the death to amuse them.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Oh really? Nobody’s buying that after you blathered about “Putin points” dude ;)
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Well, no use continuing this any further till you’ve taken your meds today.🤔
 
Tigerace117 said:
What “rationalization”? The people yapping loudest about Putin would never, ever, actually risk themselves in the trenches “fighting Russia”. They yap away from complete safety and demand other people fight to the death to amuse them.
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A good examples of rationalization is when the kid who gets caught talking in class, he defends himself by saying other kids were talking too. This isn't an argument, for he was guilty of talking. He's rationalizing it.

Russia invades Ukraine and commits unspeakable crimes and you rationalize it, like the student, by saying others were doing it too. This isn't an argument, for Russia is guilty of invading Ukraine and committing unspeakable crimes. You're rationalizing.
 
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