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Pump and dump your job. Do you agree with that premise?

Pump and dump your job?

  • Yes, bleed it dry then leave

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • No, loyalty is an asset

    Votes: 8 50.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 7 43.8%

  • Total voters
    16
Sorry, that defies all of my values. You under promise and over deliver. You give more than is asked.

OTH, I work for myself.

This is directed at people who work for corporations.
Personally, seeing as how this is the de facto values system adopted by the corporate world about twenty-five years ago, I see absolutely nothing wrong with doing the same in return.

The old classic Japanese system of loyalty to an employer was such because employers took care of their staff, for LIFE.
Americans expressed loyalty to their employers because they offered stability, security, upward mobility, benefits.

Now all of that appears to have gone out the window, especially with the new conservative "Right to Work" ideology, the term itself being perhaps the most orwellian play on words ever conceived. I might be wrong, but the term sounds like something dreamt up by Frank Luntz.

So why shouldn't employees pump and dump corporations? I did not watch the anime video, assumed it incel stroke material, however the basic premise is one I recognize as being an appropriate response to the current labor environment.
If the corporate world wants loyalty, they're going to have to earn it.
They are the original pump and dump crowd, no question about it.
 
This is directed at people who work for corporations.
Personally, seeing as how this is the de facto values system adopted by the corporate world about twenty-five years ago, I see absolutely nothing wrong with doing the same in return.

The old classic Japanese system of loyalty to an employer was such because employers took care of their staff, for LIFE.
Americans expressed loyalty to their employers because they offered stability, security, upward mobility, benefits.

Now all of that appears to have gone out the window, especially with the new conservative "Right to Work" ideology, the term itself being perhaps the most orwellian play on words ever conceived. I might be wrong, but the term sounds like something dreamt up by Frank Luntz.

So why shouldn't employees pump and dump corporations? I did not watch the anime video, assumed it incel stroke material, however the basic premise is one I recognize as being an appropriate response to the current labor environment.
If the corporate world wants loyalty, they're going to have to earn it.
They are the original pump and dump crowd, no question about it.

You said that you're on the Autistic side of the spectrum, correct? It pains me to see so many people at support group meetings quit the labor force, do in SSDI disability and truly become incels. One way to beat it is a numbers game. If one has "hot" skills, one will get hired. Giving up is the stupidest thing ever. There are so many jobs in IT, that one can blow through job, after job, after job and still be employable. Over the decades, through sheer repetition, one learns to at least hang on for a year or so. That's long enough not to be questioned by future employers about it. The same principle works with incels. Giving up is stupid. Whether it comes to jobs or women, being in the wrong place is a recipe for failure. You don't want to look for a job in Mississippi and you don't want to look for a woman in Seattle. Look for a job in Austin and a woman in Bogota.
 
It is described in this video.



Yet another creepy thread.

Don't be surprised when people pump and dump you.
 
No, but treat your boss like one, even if it's behind his/her back. Take maximum advantage and give as little as possible to keep the paycheck coming in.

That is a miserable way to live, leaving things better than you found them (or at least trying) is much more rewarding.

A rare moment of truth from Hawkeye that I hope SDET actually listens to.
 
You said that you're on the Autistic side of the spectrum, correct? It pains me to see so many people at support group meetings quit the labor force, do in SSDI disability and truly become incels. One way to beat it is a numbers game. If one has "hot" skills, one will get hired. Giving up is the stupidest thing ever. There are so many jobs in IT, that one can blow through job, after job, after job and still be employable. Over the decades, through sheer repetition, one learns to at least hang on for a year or so. That's long enough not to be questioned by future employers about it. The same principle works with incels. Giving up is stupid. Whether it comes to jobs or women, being in the wrong place is a recipe for failure. You don't want to look for a job in Mississippi and you don't want to look for a woman in Seattle. Look for a job in Austin and a woman in Bogota.

Psychedelics were a big breakthrough for me with my life on the spectrum.
I was so closed off and shut-in prior to my experimentation with psychedelics, afterwards the experience completely altered my perceptions, of people, of relationships, of just about everything. I was sixteen when I first dabbled with them.
I was probably around 24 when I stopped.

I didn't find out that I was on the spectrum until age 46, so I spent most of my life not realizing why I was such a weird kid.
Learning that I was on the spectrum was really more of a revelation than anything else. It just meant that all of a sudden, a lot of things I knew about myself and yet didn't understand finally made sense, but I made adjustments to compensate ages ago.

So with that being said, I didn't have an especially difficult time in the workforce.
I guess I did gravitate toward working for myself simply because it was much less stressful and much more liberating at the same time.
Still, I honed my skills as a videographer and editor, and then was interrupted by losing my entire business in the Northridge Quake 1994, went to a fallback career in IT and found myself in the labor force again, then got back into film-video again by around 2002.

I've always been lucky with the ladies, and it's not because I'm so great, but maybe because I do not know how to play the game and instead I have wound up being with a lot of women who fit a certain personality type. They didn't know how to play the dating game either, it seems.

Looking back, it seems like all of them have been at least somewhat technically or artistically skilled in some way.
My first real girlfriend was an artist who eventually became an art therapist and she is on the spectrum, although she too had no idea at the time. But if you talk to her for even a minute, it's obvious as can be.
My first real live-in girlfriend was first just an ordinary counter clerk in a drugstore but became a systems analyst at Burroughs. (computer corporation)
My first wife was a screenwriter, artist and business manager for another screenwriter and had been married to a well known movie producer before she married me. She was so artsy fartsy that everyone said her apartment looked like a museum, because it did.
And my wife that I am married to now (the keeper) was a diesel mechanic on a tugboat in the Navy and later became a copier repair technician.

So, if you look back on my life, no cheerleaders, no rock stars, no fashion models, no supermom housewifey types, no real estate salesladies, no CEO types, just a steady stream of somewhat oddball artsy-geeky-techie girls, none of whom invested a ton of energy in the dating game when young.

My periods of loneliness, such as they were, were entirely self-inflicted. Being a really horrible coke addict tends to make loneliness a part of your reality.
Thankfully that ended twenty-six years ago. (Holy crap, another year has passed!)
I think I just got good at seeking out the kind of girls I knew will be attracted to me.
They're awfully easy to spot, at least for me anyway.
 
It is described in this video.



It really depends on the situation. If I am working for a major corporation that has no sense of morals or loyalty then they are just a stepping stone. If its a mom and pop that take care of their crew then I am inclined to allow them to earn my loyalty. I am in business for myself in several fields, and I am loyal to loyal customers and cut throat to cut throat customers it just depends on what is being asked and paid for and history. I have far more loyalty for my small customers who will use me regularly and just ask for fair rates that many times I will prioritize their business over major corporation customers that are paying premium money but have absolutely no loyalty. I have had corporations so desperate for me to move something that they were ready to pay obscene rates to me. I had a small client of mine in the office when I took one of those calls. I had already prioritized his move, but when he heard the rates being thrown about by the corporation he told me he would delay it his move so I could make the corporations move first. He asked me why I wouldn't just put him off a bit myself. I said he was a loyal customer and I respect and return that loyalty. He doesn't question the rates I set unless they are exceptional and I make sure to provide him and my others with priority service. The gent is one of my smaller customers and I sometimes cant get to him myself but I make sure he is ALWAYS serviced comparable to the way I service him. Hence I always get first call.
 
Exactly! Pass the buck on tasks that mostly teach you proprietary knowledge. Seek out tasks that build your FUNGIBLE knowledge. In other words, skills that are useful in many companies.

Organizing, getting things done, on a time line, conversing intelligently with technical people, being able to convey that information to non-technical leadership, caring for the team, supporting team moral; these are all fungible skills and knowledge.
 
It really depends on the situation. If I am working for a major corporation that has no sense of morals or loyalty then they are just a stepping stone. If its a mom and pop that take care of their crew then I am inclined to allow them to earn my loyalty.

Sounds wise to me, but you are a business, not an employee. Or at least, it SOUNDS like you're a business.
That's another world entirely.

When I got into my fallback IT jobs, there was only one corporation that treated its employees well, and that was Tek Systems.
I worked for three other corporations during that period and all of them were sort of "ehhh, okay" but they dumped entire departments without even batting an eye...and like SDET said, "they decide that finding people who already knew the current technology was more efficient than training the existing people to update (or upgrade) their skills."


At the time I was working for Sprint or Verizon, I really wasn't thinking I'd be able to get back into film-video at all.
I'd left Los Angeles for Texas, and I'd figured I was in the IT field for keeps, so I was interested in being kept on by one of these outfits.
I got bonuses for going the extra mile, for outstanding performance, and I'd made friends with valuable people in the various departments. But when the time came, their hands were tied...the company had decided to do exactly as SDET said, just switch everyone out and dump them, and bring in the new folks for a new assignment, despite my having demonstrated the ability to pick up on a much larger skill set that encompassed exactly what they were looking for.

So I, along with thirty or forty others, suddenly found myself back on the streets after about a year.
Nice little severance bonus, but I started as a contractor and that's what I was when they let everyone go.
We all knew the other tech that they needed, but it didn't matter.
That was my experience with Sprint, and again the same experience with Verizon.
Same thing again with Ultimate Electronics, only they went completely out of business in the region, failed expansion.
But I could have been talked into moving and transferring to another state with them.
At least Tek Systems trained me to do a lot more than I was hired to do. I stayed with Tek for about four years.
They just decided to get out of structured IT cabling altogether at that time.

Funny thing, because a friend of mine down in TX is back with them again, doing the same jobs we did together all those years ago. He just picked right back up where we all left off, after an almost ten year period away from them.
I guess they decided to get back into structured cabling again, and he's an RCDD. (residential commercial cabling design specialist)
 
Depends on your personal morality I guess, and what you can live with.

I try to go with "Treat others as you would want to be treated." (The Golden Rule)

Not to mention that I take pride in what I do, minimum effort required notwithstanding.
 
It is described in this video.
Pump and dump your job. Do you agree with that premise?

I'm not really sure how healthy it is to conflate one's career with dating, but sure, to a limited extent.

You are the owner and CEO of <your name> Inc., and your relationship with your employer is a business relationship. You deliver a service in return for remuneration.
Like any other business, you are obligated to deliver what is described by your contract, but nothing more. The amount of loyalty and service you have to provide is described by that contract. If your employer wants that changed to any substantial degree, the contract must be changed to reflect that, or you could end up doing Ph.D. work for a janitor's salary.

Sure, when choosing between under- and overperforming, you should alway go for over-, but that is only good business. You will never be able to toe the line perfectly, and when you don't, what you do will reflect on your brand name. But don't overperform habitually or by too much or people *will* start taking the extra service you supply for granted. Meaning you don't get any credit for your extra work, and most likely will lose credit if you ever start performing normally again (nice guys finish last?). If you want to significantly overperform, wait for the right moment to do so, and consider it an investment.

Also, it is sound business practice to set and continually maintain expectations with your "customers"; steadiness and reliability tends to keep them happy.
 
It depends entirely on the job. I've been at jobs where I absolutely had this mentality. Mainly low-wage service jobs.

My current job I don't. My coworkers are good people, my boss and I have a good relationship, etc. I'm not an idiot, I keep it in mind that these people are coworkers, not friends, but I'm not paranoid like the video suggests.
 
If you have no pride in yourself, go for it. I've been brought up to have a good work ethic. You're being paid to do a job, do it to the best of your ability.

Today's youth have the 'what's in it for me' attitude. And that's sad.
 
Pump and dump your job?
In my field, individuals who ascribe to and exhibit the the professional philosophy described in that video will find their career in the field very short-lived....Clients don't value that attitude; thus partners don't either.

What is valued is "acting like an owner." If one doesn't behave, produce, perform, etc. as would a partner, one isn't going to make partner. It's that simple.
 
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That is a miserable way to live, leaving things better than you found them (or at least trying) is much more rewarding.

We finally agree on something!
 
That is the most cynical, self serving and pathetic view of the workplace (and relationships) I've ever heard.
 
There are good jobs and bad. Some we keep; some we quit, and some find the boss firing us before we get a chance to decide.

The easiest bad jobs to quit are those where you feel underpaid, over worked and unappreciated. The hardest jobs to quit are those with golden handcuffs. Emotionally, those jobs are much like the one above, but the pay is so damned good that quitting it seems stupid, even if you absolutely hate everything about it.

It's that job which I believe traps people into pursing the "pump and dump" mode. Milk that ****er for all its worth, and then either ride it out or find a better situation, preferably by using the company's resources to snare it.

Another job that is hard to quit is that one which gives you all the freedom to pursue whatever you want to do but does not pay very well. Believe it or not, those jobs are common for professionals with desirable skills. Companies are cheap. So, if they can get away with giving you extra perks that cost them nothing financially, they jump right on that. So too do a lot of employees. And, that's where slacking tends to crop up. "I'm way underpaid. So, I don't need to push myself."

The trick is finding that job which pays well and gives you everything you want. Good luck finding it. But, that certainly is the goal to reach for.
 
Your boss will exploit you to the maximum extent possible, often violating the law to do so. Why the **** should you be any different?
 
All workplaces are different. Some deserve your loyalty and best effort. Some do not. You have to evaluate your work situation. When you're doing that, be careful who you take advice from. Same applies to marriage issues.
 
It is described in this video.



While I agree with many of his points I disagree with using company time to work on your other ventures. If it was feasible and cost effective every company out there would replace you with a machine in a heartbeat just to make higher profits.Its the nature of business. That's why companies outsource, use contract labor, hire illegal immigrants, exploit worker visas to get cheaper labor and so on. Anyone who thinks their loyalty to the company they work for matters is an idiot.
 
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