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RWNJs spend the rest of their lives sitting in their basements, hammering on their keyboards while muttering about "situational awareness" and stroking their AR15s.The Progressive Left wins the cultural and political war, allowing them to shape America for the next 50 years. Corporate donations are banned from politics. America attains a form of Medicare-For-All, saving tax payers significant economic resources, saving tens of thousands of lives year, and preventing countless more from going bankrupt. Healthcare is uncoupled from employment, allowing greater flexibility in career choices and the potential for increased wages. There is no need for a minimum wage, as there is a strong labor movement. America provides affordable pre-K, allowing for tremendous flexibility in career planning. Women are encouraged and empowered to have children, rather than the most vulnerable being forced into it by the state. America transitions to green renewable energy, which shifts foreign policy away from conflict and dependance on tyrannical allies, allowing for a reasonable restructuring of military investment -- and also likely saves humanity from a climate apocalypse. Drugs become legal, and addiction is treated rather than punished by law enforcement. America's policies go further than the most happiest place on Earth (Nordic nations), and other nations follow suit.
Where is humanity at the end of 50 years? I'd say since the people are no longer struggling to survive, there is less hostility towards immigrants, minorities, and the LGBTQ. The culture wars lose their fuel, and ethnic nationalism is effectively impossible as a successful political ideology.
That's a pretty good start, but how about deconstructing capitalism next?The Progressive Left wins the cultural and political war, allowing them to shape America for the next 50 years. Corporate donations are banned from politics. America attains a form of Medicare-For-All, saving tax payers significant economic resources, saving tens of thousands of lives year, and preventing countless more from going bankrupt. Healthcare is uncoupled from employment, allowing greater flexibility in career choices and the potential for increased wages. There is no need for a minimum wage, as there is a strong labor movement. America provides affordable pre-K, allowing for tremendous flexibility in career planning. Women are encouraged and empowered to have children, rather than the most vulnerable being forced into it by the state. America transitions to green renewable energy, which shifts foreign policy away from conflict and dependance on tyrannical allies, allowing for a reasonable restructuring of military investment -- and also likely saves humanity from a climate apocalypse. Drugs become legal, and addiction is treated rather than punished by law enforcement. America's policies go further than the most happiest place on Earth (Nordic nations), and other nations follow suit.
Where is humanity at the end of 50 years? I'd say since the people are no longer struggling to survive, there is less hostility towards immigrants, minorities, and the LGBTQ. The culture wars lose their fuel, and ethnic nationalism is effectively impossible as a successful political ideology.
and addiction is treated rather than punished by law enforcement
Rural America has just as many addicts. They just spread them out so they don't all throw their crack pipes on the same sidewalk.What's stopping the left from accomplishing that now in their major cities?
Because all they're doing now is letting them camp wherever, give them needles, and clean up after them.
...wait, is that what you mean when you say treatment? ...eating from garbage cans, stealing everything not locked down, and defecating on the sidewalk?
Legalize drugs and sell them at cost to addicts.What's stopping the left from accomplishing that now in their major cities?
Because all they're doing now is letting them camp wherever, give them needles, and clean up after them.
...wait, is that what you mean when you say treatment? ...eating from garbage cans, stealing everything not locked down, and defecating on the sidewalk?
The Progressive Left wins the cultural and political war, allowing them to shape America for the next 50 years. Corporate donations are banned from politics. America attains a form of Medicare-For-All, saving tax payers significant economic resources, saving tens of thousands of lives year, and preventing countless more from going bankrupt. Healthcare is uncoupled from employment, allowing greater flexibility in career choices and the potential for increased wages. There is no need for a minimum wage, as there is a strong labor movement. America provides affordable pre-K, allowing for tremendous flexibility in career planning. Women are encouraged and empowered to have children, rather than the most vulnerable being forced into it by the state. America transitions to green renewable energy, which shifts foreign policy away from conflict and dependance on tyrannical allies, allowing for a reasonable restructuring of military investment -- and also likely saves humanity from a climate apocalypse. Drugs become legal, and addiction is treated rather than punished by law enforcement. America's policies go further than the most happiest place on Earth (Nordic nations), and other nations follow suit.
Where is humanity at the end of 50 years? I'd say since the people are no longer struggling to survive, there is less hostility towards immigrants, minorities, and the LGBTQ. The culture wars lose their fuel, and ethnic nationalism is effectively impossible as a successful political ideology.
As long as they are not out omn the streets shooting at people Im satisfied.RWNJs spend the rest of their lives sitting in their basements, hammering on their keyboards while muttering about "situational awareness" and stroking their AR15s.
Most of this sounds good, I suppose, as a good foundation for discussion at least, except ditching the minimum wage because of the 'strong labor movement'. Strong labor movements helped get these laws passed in the first place because they just could not be everywhere and still be voted in/ or out by the potential membership. Lets have both a minimum wage, and a strong labor movement. The labor leaders don't seem to mind!The Progressive Left wins the cultural and political war, allowing them to shape America for the next 50 years. Corporate donations are banned from politics. America attains a form of Medicare-For-All, saving tax payers significant economic resources, saving tens of thousands of lives year, and preventing countless more from going bankrupt. Healthcare is uncoupled from employment, allowing greater flexibility in career choices and the potential for increased wages. There is no need for a minimum wage, as there is a strong labor movement. America provides affordable pre-K, allowing for tremendous flexibility in career planning. Women are encouraged and empowered to have children, rather than the most vulnerable being forced into it by the state. America transitions to green renewable energy, which shifts foreign policy away from conflict and dependance on tyrannical allies, allowing for a reasonable restructuring of military investment -- and also likely saves humanity from a climate apocalypse. Drugs become legal, and addiction is treated rather than punished by law enforcement. America's policies go further than the most happiest place on Earth (Nordic nations), and other nations follow suit.
Where is humanity at the end of 50 years? I'd say since the people are no longer struggling to survive, there is less hostility towards immigrants, minorities, and the LGBTQ. The culture wars lose their fuel, and ethnic nationalism is effectively impossible as a successful political ideology.
Don't forget you also have to rename the country from USA to NAFL... "North American Fantasy Land". Make sure you replace the stars in the flag with the faces of Fidel Castro, Josef Stalin, Ho Chi Minh, Vladimir Lenin, Kim Jong-Un, Mao Zedong, Tito, Kim Jong Il, Pol Pot, and any other revolutionary murderers you can think of.... And don't forget the Hollywood hero and crowned prince of 21st century socialism... Hugo Chavez. He turned one of the richest, most prosperous countries in South America into a shining example of the socialist utopia that people like you want to usher in.The Progressive Left wins the cultural and political war, allowing them to shape America for the next 50 years. Corporate donations are banned from politics. America attains a form of Medicare-For-All, saving tax payers significant economic resources, saving tens of thousands of lives year, and preventing countless more from going bankrupt. Healthcare is uncoupled from employment, allowing greater flexibility in career choices and the potential for increased wages. There is no need for a minimum wage, as there is a strong labor movement. America provides affordable pre-K, allowing for tremendous flexibility in career planning. Women are encouraged and empowered to have children, rather than the most vulnerable being forced into it by the state. America transitions to green renewable energy, which shifts foreign policy away from conflict and dependance on tyrannical allies, allowing for a reasonable restructuring of military investment -- and also likely saves humanity from a climate apocalypse. Drugs become legal, and addiction is treated rather than punished by law enforcement. America's policies go further than the most happiest place on Earth (Nordic nations), and other nations follow suit.
Where is humanity at the end of 50 years? I'd say since the people are no longer struggling to survive, there is less hostility towards immigrants, minorities, and the LGBTQ. The culture wars lose their fuel, and ethnic nationalism is effectively impossible as a successful political ideology.
What the... what? What was 'extreme' about the OP scenario? It didn't propose a UBI, didn't try to radically change standard working hours or otherwise come to grips with the disruptive trends of increasing automation, didn't really address wealth and income inequality at all (just offered a few minimalist ideas to help prop up the low end a little better and mitigate disproportionate influence of the wealthy in politics), certainly didn't advocate any of the 'culture war' bogeymen of conservatives such as abolishing the police and (rather confusingly) implementing a big brother/nanny state or teaching kids to be gay or trans or guilty about their race, and as @Nomad4Ever suggested didn't try to fundamentally change the world-eating system of capitalism at all. Heck, it didn't even mention gun control! Which part was 'extreme' to you?How about ordinary Democrats win? Why must we play extremes?
Thanks for the shoutoutas @Nomad4Ever suggested didn't try to fundamentally change the world-eating system of capitalism at all. Heck, it didn't even mention gun control!
Ah yes, it only mentioned corporate donations... not limits to individual donations or even the most basic commonsense requirement that politicians may only accept campaign money from their voting constituents, in the public record. So, not even really doing much to mitigate billionaire's influence in politics.The only thing that went further than what exists in many countries already was “banning all corporate money from politics” which isn’t even that left of a position at all, it’s just difficult to implement in the real world.
I suppose the point is "Here are some progressive/left-leaning ideas and look, they're not that scary!" And then it turns out that even the slightest bit of change from the status quo is still scary to 'ordinary Democrats,' because it's the same kind of mistake as 'ordinary Democrats' are (presumably) making in their way of thinking about political strategy: Trying to be 'moderate' not by advocating sensible ideas and explaining them to people, but by following along just a step or two behind the increasing rightward shifts of the other party. Instead of trying to normalize sensible and genuinely moderate ideas, letting 'normal' become defined as a little less far-right than the Republican party. In fact that's the same sort of thing as the many comments we've seen over the past few years about playing dirty in politics, that supposedly the Democrats are 'weak' for playing fair even knowing the Republicans never will, so instead of standing up for decency and integrity Democrats should start playing dirty too.In fact from an economic perspective OP really isn’t that left. No minimum wage because of a strong labor movement? So what, we would just have like strong unions? In Germany workers are required by law to get a certain amount of seats on the board of directors.
I think if we are making up a far left progressive victory in the US we can dare to imagine something better than the OP.
I doubt it, but even if so, why isn't the enlightened leftist answers working s y better after decades of control in major cities?Rural America has just as many addicts. They just spread them out so they don't all throw their crack pipes on the same sidewalk.
California is on the way to solving these problems by recent legislation which helps to resolve problematic zoning regulations, which should create more affordable housing.I doubt it, but even if so, why isn't the enlightened leftist answers working s y better after decades of control in major cities?
Take a city like San Fran, it's incredibly rich, so there should be plenty of taxes to solve these problems yet I come inequality and horrible problems like homelessness plague it worst than most.
Corporatism isn't going anywhere. Really things are more likely to go the other direction, to a more and more China-like situation where the powerful ensure the government's role is to protect them from the people, who are just a minor nuisance. They have tools like the right-wing propaganda shows AND Chinese propaganda shows AND Putin's propaganda shows are good at preventing public power, at preventing democracy.That's a pretty good start, but how about deconstructing capitalism next?
Progressives aren't "extreme". They are what should be the middle, with Republicans and 'normal Democrats' to the right and others to the left. Like they were in the FDR era when even an all-Republican government praised labor unions and had a top tax rate of 90% and far lower inequality.How about ordinary Democrats win? Why must we play extremes?
The Progressive Left wins the cultural and political war, allowing them to shape America for the next 50 years. Corporate donations are banned from politics. America attains a form of Medicare-For-All, saving tax payers significant economic resources, saving tens of thousands of lives year, and preventing countless more from going bankrupt. Healthcare is uncoupled from employment, allowing greater flexibility in career choices and the potential for increased wages. There is no need for a minimum wage, as there is a strong labor movement. America provides affordable pre-K, allowing for tremendous flexibility in career planning. Women are encouraged and empowered to have children, rather than the most vulnerable being forced into it by the state. America transitions to green renewable energy, which shifts foreign policy away from conflict and dependance on tyrannical allies, allowing for a reasonable restructuring of military investment -- and also likely saves humanity from a climate apocalypse. Drugs become legal, and addiction is treated rather than punished by law enforcement. America's policies go further than the most happiest place on Earth (Nordic nations), and other nations follow suit.
Where is humanity at the end of 50 years? I'd say since the people are no longer struggling to survive, there is less hostility towards immigrants, minorities, and the LGBTQ. The culture wars lose their fuel, and ethnic nationalism is effectively impossible as a successful political ideology.
Don't forget you also have to rename the country from USA to NAFL... "North American Fantasy Land". Make sure you replace the stars in the flag with the faces of Fidel Castro, Josef Stalin, Ho Chi Minh, Vladimir Lenin, Kim Jong-Un, Mao Zedong, Tito, Kim Jong Il, Pol Pot, and any other revolutionary murderers you can think of.... And don't forget the Hollywood hero and crowned prince of 21st century socialism... Hugo Chavez. He turned one of the richest, most prosperous countries in South America into a shining example of the socialist utopia that people like you want to usher in.
I think you should show Americans the heights of happiness and prosperity that could be reached if they signed on to the progressive/socialist agenda you are pushing:
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The Progressive Left wins the cultural and political war, allowing them to shape America for the next 50 years. Corporate donations are banned from politics. America attains a form of Medicare-For-All, saving tax payers significant economic resources, saving tens of thousands of lives year, and preventing countless more from going bankrupt. Healthcare is uncoupled from employment, allowing greater flexibility in career choices and the potential for increased wages. There is no need for a minimum wage, as there is a strong labor movement. America provides affordable pre-K, allowing for tremendous flexibility in career planning. Women are encouraged and empowered to have children, rather than the most vulnerable being forced into it by the state. America transitions to green renewable energy, which shifts foreign policy away from conflict and dependance on tyrannical allies, allowing for a reasonable restructuring of military investment -- and also likely saves humanity from a climate apocalypse. Drugs become legal, and addiction is treated rather than punished by law enforcement. America's policies go further than the most happiest place on Earth (Nordic nations), and other nations follow suit.
Where is humanity at the end of 50 years? I'd say since the people are no longer struggling to survive, there is less hostility towards immigrants, minorities, and the LGBTQ. The culture wars lose their fuel, and ethnic nationalism is effectively impossible as a successful political ideology.
The Progressive Left wins the cultural and political war, allowing them to shape America for the next 50 years. Corporate donations are banned from politics. America attains a form of Medicare-For-All, saving tax payers significant economic resources, saving tens of thousands of lives year, and preventing countless more from going bankrupt. Healthcare is uncoupled from employment, allowing greater flexibility in career choices and the potential for increased wages. There is no need for a minimum wage, as there is a strong labor movement. America provides affordable pre-K, allowing for tremendous flexibility in career planning. Women are encouraged and empowered to have children, rather than the most vulnerable being forced into it by the state. America transitions to green renewable energy, which shifts foreign policy away from conflict and dependance on tyrannical allies, allowing for a reasonable restructuring of military investment -- and also likely saves humanity from a climate apocalypse. Drugs become legal, and addiction is treated rather than punished by law enforcement. America's policies go further than the most happiest place on Earth (Nordic nations), and other nations follow suit.
Where is humanity at the end of 50 years? I'd say since the people are no longer struggling to survive, there is less hostility towards immigrants, minorities, and the LGBTQ. The culture wars lose their fuel, and ethnic nationalism is effectively impossible as a successful political ideology.
Assuming progressives will be like Stalin is like assuming hardcore conservatives will be like Hitler.Don't forget you also have to rename the country from USA to NAFL... "North American Fantasy Land". Make sure you replace the stars in the flag with the faces of Fidel Castro, Josef Stalin, Ho Chi Minh, Vladimir Lenin, Kim Jong-Un, Mao Zedong, Tito, Kim Jong Il, Pol Pot, and any other revolutionary murderers you can think of.... And don't forget the Hollywood hero and crowned prince of 21st century socialism... Hugo Chavez. He turned one of the richest, most prosperous countries in South America into a shining example of the socialist utopia that people like you want to usher in.
I think you should show Americans the heights of happiness and prosperity that could be reached if they signed on to the progressive/socialist agenda you are pushing:
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