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Possibly Gay Muslim Democrat Murders People. NY Times Blames... Republicans

Josie said:
If Islam is a lot like the conservative movement and Islam is a natural opposition to the liberal movement, why do liberals defend Islam until their teeth bleed and blame all the woes of society on conservatives?
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You shouldn't have to ask that. Everyone knows the answer to that.
 
Josie said:
If Islam is a lot like the conservative movement and Islam is a natural opposition to the liberal movement, why do liberals defend Islam until their teeth bleed and blame all the woes of society on conservatives?
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Because of multiculturalism? Or maybe to not seem racist?

But I don't exactly know the reason why many liberals choose to defend Islam.
 
This thread is the most laughable thread I've read in quite some time (I could stand only 3 pages). Ideology pervades the thread. From the leftist who, for example, blames the Orlando shooting on the NRA (some truth to this) to the rightest who, for example, proclaims the Republican party is the party of small government and the party that wishes to be originalists of The Constitution (ah, absolutely no truth to this). Even if you consider yourself a Conservative.

I think problems like the ones facing us in Orlando, the middle east and inner city Chicago, for examples, can be eradicated but, people, we've gotta let go of our foolish ideologies and try to work out some sort of solution.

What's more important? Holding tightly to your ideologies or finding solutions to some of the great problems facing the US?
 
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Josie said:
If Islam is a lot like the conservative movement and Islam is a natural opposition to the liberal movement, why do liberals defend Islam until their teeth bleed and blame all the woes of society on conservatives?
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Well, first I should clarify that I regret not emphasizing "radical" Islam. Not all Muslims are xenophobic bigots any more than all Christians are. In fact, I really do need to clarify that the vast majority of the Christians I deal with irl are not the fire-breathing damnation type. But to your first point, I have seen too much defense of Islam where liberals should technically have no rational basis for doing so, which I put to two possibilities: a)principles of multiculturalism simply taken a weeeee bit too far, and b)an overreaction to xenophobism by conservatives.

To your second point, we rail against certain conservative policies in the US because right wing conservatives here at home are the ones we're actually dealing with. Muslims aren't a majority here and cannot effect large scale legislative changes to any degree that can be felt or noticed, if at all.
 
Cardinal said:
Well, first I should clarify that I regret not emphasizing "radical" Islam. Not all Muslims are xenophobic bigots any more than all Christians are. In fact, I really do need to clarify that the vast majority of the Christians I deal with irl are not the fire-breathing damnation type. But to your first point, I have seen too much defense of Islam where liberals should technically have no rational basis for doing so, which I put to two possibilities: a)principles of multiculturalism simply taken a weeeee bit too far, and b)an overreaction to xenophobism by conservatives.

To your second point, we rail against certain conservative policies in the US because right wing conservatives here at home are the ones we're actually dealing with. Muslims aren't a majority here and cannot effect large scale legislative changes to any degree that can be felt or noticed, if at all.
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Tell me, has right-winged Conservative politics currently been influenced by the KKK? How many right-wing Conservative movements have created death to the same extent as the KKK and Muslims who are radicalized?
 
cabse5 said:
Tell me, has right-winged Conservative politics currently been influenced by the KKK? How many right-wing Conservative movements have created death to the same extent as the KKK and Muslims who are radicalized?
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Fortunately the KKK has been neutered. The kind of extreme right wing conservatism that is being dealt with in the US is slowly turning around, though obviously not without a fight. Equality for gays was a major win, though there continue to be multiple fronts when it comes to women's reproductive rights.
 
Cardinal said:
Fortunately the KKK has been neutered. The kind of extreme right wing conservatism that is being dealt with in the US is slowly turning around, though obviously not without a fight. Equality for gays was a major win, though there continue to be multiple fronts when it comes to women's reproductive rights.
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How about this: legislation to ban assault rifles (now, that definition would be VERY narrow), like AR-15s and the like, is passed and a much stronger initiative to defeat Muslims who have been radicalized is initiated by our government?
 
cabse5 said:
How about this: legislation to ban assault rifles (now, that definition would be VERY narrow), like AR-15s and the like, is passed and a much stronger initiative to defeat Muslims who have been radicalized is initiated by our government?
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Um...okay, not really sure how that response is pertinent.
 
cpwill said:
Sadly, this year, there isn't a difference.
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I think the one difference worth considering is that Hillary has suggested that if she is elected she will appoint Obama to the Supreme Court. *shudder*
 
cpwill said:
If we have him as a registered Democrat. And his motivating ideology (if any) was Islamist radicalism.


Then blaming Republicans for his actions is idiotic. It would be like arguing that the people actually responsible for the abortion-clinic bombers are secular New York liberals.
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Are you denying that he targeted gays? It seems like you don't want to deal with that fact at all. Why? It is becoming clear that "Islamist radicalism" was not his sole motivation. He has been frequenting Pulse for years and some that knew him are claiming he was gay himself. If this is the case then it is very possible that his "shame" of being attracted to men was his motivation to lash out and the ISIS claim was merely a smokescreen.

The Canadian Press has a story on how on Mateen repeatedly visited Pulse, the nightclub he attacked on Sunday.

A drag-dancing married couple described seeing Mateen as many as a dozen times at the gay-friendly nightclub where he’d later embark on the single worst gun massacre in modern American history.

Ty Smith and Chris Callen recalled the eventual killer being escorted drunk from the Pulse bar on multiple occasions, including one incident where he pointed a knife at a friend.

Both professed shock at seeing his face on TV: “It’s the same guy,” said Callen, who performs under the name Kristina McLaughlin. “He’s been going to this bar for at least three years.”
But there’s even more.

Mateen was allegedly gay, according to a former police academy classmate, and was a frequent visitor to the very gay nightclub that he went on to attack on Sunday morning.
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Orlando Shooter Frequented Gay Club. Now Witness Has Explosive Claim He Wasn’t Just Stalking Victims
 
jmotivator said:
I think the one difference worth considering is that Hillary has suggested that if she is elected she will appoint Obama to the Supreme Court. *shudder*
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Is that actually real? Because that has the sound of being bull**** to me.
 
iguanaman said:
Are you denying that he targeted gays? It seems like you don't want to deal with that fact at all. Why? It is becoming clear that "Islamist radicalism" was not his sole motivation. He has been frequenting Pulse for years and some that knew him are claiming he was gay himself. If this is the case then it is very possible that his "shame" of being attracted to men was his motivation to lash out and the ISIS claim was merely a smokescreen.

Orlando Shooter Frequented Gay Club. Now Witness Has Explosive Claim He Wasn’t Just Stalking Victims
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If you don't want to give the shooter full credit for the shooting, would the one or group who created the shame in the shooter for 'feelings of homosexuality' be partly responsible?
 
cpwill said:
Nope. Are you, like the NY Times, desperately attempting to pivot to a strawman?



Why yes. :) Yes you are.
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So you don't think he targeted gays because it does not fit your ideology? How narrow minded can you get? Looking for the real motivation is not "pivoting to a strawman".
 
cabse5 said:
If you don't want to give the shooter full credit for the shooting, would the one or group who created the shame in the shooter for 'feelings of homosexuality' be partly responsible?
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That would be his father by my thinking and his religion of course. The man was a violent psychopath and lashing out is what they do. But denying that he targeted gays does not help determine his motives.
 
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iguanaman said:
So you don't think he targeted gays because it does not fit your ideology?
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:doh

What part of "No" was too complicated for you, iguana?
 
cabse5 said:
Another strawman, cpwill.
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and a pathetic one. usually at least his posts have a semblance of a (poorly thought out) argument, rather than just a complete failure of reading comprehension.
 
cpwill said:
:doh

What part of "No" was too complicated for you, iguana?
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So his choice of that club was a random one? Even though there are witnesses that saw him there multiple times in the last year? You are wrong.
 
iguanaman said:
So you don't think he targeted gays because it does not fit your ideology? How narrow minded can you get? Looking for the real motivation is not "pivoting to a strawman".
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Aren't you pulling a strawman right now?
 
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