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Pope Francis Blasts Unchecked Greed That ‘Sacrifices Man At He Feet Of The Idol Of Mo

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Anomalism said:
That's a requirement for conservatives.
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It is, only the accumulation of wealth will provide the type of independence we seek.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
It is for all things that you have to be "greedy" to develop. Otherwise cars would be free. There would be no taxes for roads and bridges, gas would be free.
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Greed is the selfish and excessive desire for wealth or possessions. You don't have to be greedy to be an innovator, or even be a capitalist. That gives capitalism a bad name.
 
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Amadeus said:
Greed is the selfish and excessive desire for wealth or possessions. You don't have to be greedy to be an innovator, or even be a capitalist. That gives capitalism a bad name.
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Any proof of that. No one is in successful business that just wanted to "get by".
 
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The minute the Vatican starts emptying out the art, gold and other treasures they've got stored in the basement and as soon as the Pope starts living "as a man of the people", I'll start listening to anything he has to say about unchecked greed. Vow of poverty, my ass.
 
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American's give the most by far to charity.

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But, charity isn't America's most generous gift. Unlike any other world power in history, America leads by example and doesn't seek to "own" territory. America provides an example of how freedom brings prosperity. How liberty raises even the poorest of the poor.

The pope ascribes to communist philosophies, that the government should enforce charity. Despite the fact that these policies multiply misery and poverty, the pope insists he is the world economic czar and further insists on physical force (government force) to somehow raise the poor to equal station with the rich. Despite the fact Jesus told the pope the poor would always be with us.

One has only to look at poverty standards to see the difference America brings. The world poverty threshold is $1.25 per day or $450 per year. America's poverty threshold is $65 per day or $23,850 per year. So, it's hardly fair to compare U.S. poverty rates as equivalent to world poverty rates? Even the poorest person in America is rich by world poverty standards.

Wiki goes on to note, poverty thresholds "in countries with substantial welfare systems (such as the United States and Europe) fail to count in-kind transfers, whether from public or private sources, when calculating a poverty threshold." So, not only is America's poverty threshold fifty-times higher (richer) than world standards, welfare isn't even counted. Making it a shining example of how America converts poor people into relatively rich citizens. America's poor are fifty-times richer (before counting welfare) than world poverty standards would indicate and richer than any communist country on earth. America's poor are richer than middle-class communist citizens.

The lesson for our cloistered, yet belligerent pope is - promote American-style government, free-markets and free people.
 
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Paxaeon said:
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Point of order....this was a thread pertaining to a certain article. not a catholic bashing thread. Some courtesy please?
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I'll give it the same courtesy I'd give a thread outlining comments of the Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Klan admonishing people to be racially sensitive and welcoming.

If you didn't want criticism of the Pope's highly hypocritical words, you should have posted the thread in the religion forum and not in the general political discussion forum.
 
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Remember when Pope Francis offered to sell off all the churches financial holdings and feed the world?

Nah...me neither.

The Catholic church is RIIIIIIICH. How Rich? So rich it is impossible to accurately estimate exactly how rich they are. Thats when you know you are filthy fricken rich. They have real estate holdings alone that dwarf some countries entire worth...and Im talking GROSS, not NET. They spend about 170 billion annually and do a LOT of really great things with that money. They have very generous community service grants, run hospitals...good on em. But they also reported ('reported') a cleared profit of about 120 million in 2012. If you buy into that as 'all' they make annually they STILL have holdings around 6 trillion dollars if their trends run consistently over just the last 50 years. But again...no one knows.

The point...its mighty high talk for the pope to condemn those that seek wealth...coming from where he sits.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Any proof of that. No one is in successful business that just wanted to "get by".
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Never said that. Being more successful does not equate to being greedy. Some capitalists want to make an innovative product or provide a good service and thrive in a fair market. Some people want to rig the market, evade taxes, and achieve excess profit at the expense of their employees. That's the difference between capitalism and greed.

 
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lizzie said:
We have a religious forum for threads pertaining to religion, which are not allowed to turn into religion-bashing. In the general forums, it's pretty much allowed unless a person crosses certain lines of courtesy. When the pope (or any other high-profile figure) criticizes certain people, as it pertains to their lifestyle, or what is right or wrong, I expect him to get some criticism.
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Wrong. This is not about Catholic hypocrisy or Vatican wealth. The title and link make it abundantly clear. You are free to start your own threads if you want to catholic bash, in the religious forums.

I like his message...it resonates with me. The message here is about the problem of corporate and political GREED. Frank, aside from being a pope, is also secular leader. The political right and left in
the US dislike him for his seemingly anti-capitalist messages....and that just tickles me to death. Finally, a world leader willing to take on cult of greed.

Go someplace else with your pap.
 
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Paxaeon said:
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I like his message...it resonates with me. The message here is about the problem of corporate and political GREED. Frank, aside from being a pope, is also secular leader. The political right and left and the US dislike him for his seemingly anti-capitalist messages....and that just tickles me to death. Finally, a world leader willing to take on cult of greed.

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The fact that his message resonates with you, does not mean it resonates with others. That's the purpose of debate forums- to discuss different sides of an issue.
 
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lizzie said:
The fact that his message resonates with you, does not mean it resonates with others. That's the purpose of debate forums- to discuss different sides of an issue.
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Then stick with the topic as mentioned in my link. This is not a catholic bashing thread.
 
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Ladies, ladies... there's plenty of Amadeus to go around.
 
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It's very difficult to listen with any sort of belief to a fellow talking about greed who is the absolute monarch of one of the wealthiest outfits on Earth. Sell a few of those Vatican collections and he could raise up the living conditions of billions.
 
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Paxaeon said:
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Then stick with the topic as mentioned in my link. This is not a catholic bashing thread.
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Good discussions naturally evolve and tend to go beyond the original topic. Demanding that they don't do such is demanding a plain and boring discussion.
 
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I can't agree with many here, that the pope should sell his assets to feed the poor, for two reasons. First, it's un-American (realizing the pope is not American) to ask anyone to commit economic suicide. Second, what if the pope did sell-off the church's assets? Would that mean we all convert to communism?

The pope is correct to maintain a strong cash-asset position, for inevitable emergencies. World-wide catastrophes. The world (and America) are pursuing unstable policies and the more hoarding, the better. Things are very good right now, but are likely to turn much worse, if terrorists get nukes or America keeps printing money, while simultaneously increasing its debt.
 
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Anomalism said:
Good discussions naturally evolve and tend to go beyond the original topic. Demanding that they don't do such is demanding a plain and boring discussion.
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I have a "reasonable" expectation to assume people want to discuss specific topics, not broad generalities. Catholic bashing is a topic unto itself and NOT even remotely related to my posted topic. "Good discussion" is subjective.

I had no idea that this site advocates trolling.
 
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Paxaeon said:
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I have a "reasonable" expectation to assume people want to discuss specific topics, not broad generalities. Catholic bashing is a topic unto itself and NOT even remotely related to my posted topic. "Good discussion" is subjective.

I had no idea that this site advocates trolling.
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People on this site have extreme opinions from all directions. You not liking what somebody said does not make it trolling.
 
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Amadeus said:
Never said that. Being more successful does not equate to being greedy. Some capitalists want to make an innovative product or provide a good service and thrive in a fair market. Some people want to rig the market, evade taxes, and achieve excess profit at the expense of their employees. That's the difference between capitalism and greed.

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Quoting Maher? Hahahaha Fail.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Quoting Maher? Hahahaha Fail.
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His analogy is awesome.
 
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Paxaeon said:
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Despite all better judgement; I like this pope.
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I strongly doubt the pope himself intended this to be as hyperpartisan as the source has portrayed it.
 
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Amadeus said:
Jesus chastises greed. In fact, he specifically says that rich people aren't getting into Heaven.
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1. Not exactly. He says it is hard for the rich to enter into the kingdom of heaven. Not impossible.


2. Define 'rich'. I have yet to meet someone willing to put a dollar figure on that.
 
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