Poll: What do women think of prostitution?

[ChrisL]

I wonder why when policemen and women pose as prostitutes, it isn't considered entrapment? I always thought that it should be. I always feel like, just let the poor guy get his jollies.

 

[AGENT J]

Let's use the same logic on another violent crime -- say, murder. If murder were legalized, we wouldn't have any collateral damage. We'd have lower law enforcement and prison costs. We'd have happier murderers.

im all for spinning ones logic and showing them how its broken but the examples need to be parallel or even close.

sex(prostitution) and murder are not even in the same galaxy let alone ball park.

 

[ttwtt78640]

LOL! Funny guys! But what if the woman pays? Some do you know.

Then she is a keeper. ;-)

 

[ChrisL]

Still...

...don't you think that whores become traumatized in the first place from the liquidation of intimacy?

The destruction of family values leads to children becoming desperate, not knowing what else to do.

I think definitely they have shut themselves off, so to speak, emotionally. I don't know if that would be from the prostitution or from some former trauma, such as child abuse? Look at Aileen Wuornos. She was physically, sexually abused, thrown out of her home, became a prostitute, had several unhealthy relationships, and ended up being a female serial killer (very rare, I know).

Of course, I don't know any prostitutes (that I'm aware of), so this is all just theoretical on my part. Lol!

 

[Pinkie]

im all for spinning ones logic and showing them how its broken but the examples need to be parallel or even close.

sex(prostitution) and murder are not even in the same galaxy let alone ball park.

Not IME.

It's about the fastest, surest way I know for a woman to destroy herself -- but again, I'm speaking from my own limited experience. It's possible there are some women who are thriving as prostitutes.

The ones I met were dying.

 

[AGENT J]

Not IME.

It's about the fastest, surest way I know for a woman to destroy herself -- but again, I'm speaking from my own limited experience. It's possible there are some women who are thriving as prostitutes.

The ones I met were dying.

SOrry you met women that were killing themselves for whatever reasons, thats sad

and you are welcome to your opinion but it will never equal murder and is why your analogy failed.

There are thriving call girls just like there are pro sports players and doctors and actors and politicians, and lawyers and stock brokers that will surely kill themselves from pressures related to their jobs or "their own" short comings :shrug:

 

[Surtr]

I've also surveyed a feminist forum on this, but they banned me when I asked, "What's the difference between illegal immigration and rape?"

lulz

10 character rule.

 

[Pinkie]

SOrry you met women that were killing themselves for whatever reasons, thats sad

and you are welcome to your opinion but it will never equal murder and is why your analogy failed.

There are thriving call girls just like there are pro sports players and doctors and actors and politicians, and lawyers and stock brokers that will surely kill themselves from pressures related to their jobs or "their own" short comings :shrug:

There are probably thriving murderers, too.

Since when do you think we should legislate for the rare exception and not the rule?

 

[Your Star]

Legal. When it's legalized, it can be regulated. When it can be regulated, women are safer and healthier.

Yep, this. The safety of the women involved is the main reason to make it legal.

 

[molten_dragon]

There are millions of sex slaves in America.

That is a vast overestimate. The US state department estimates that between 14,500 and 17,500 people are trafficked into the US annually and exploited for sex or forced labor (note that they include both). In the last 7 years however, only about 1,350 actual victims of human trafficking have been identified in the US.

A report from the University of Pennsylvania estimated that at any one time between 100,000 and 300,000 children are at risk for sexual exploitation. Note that this does not reflect the number that actually ARE sex slaves, just those at risk.

There is absolutely zero evidence to suggest that there are millions of sex slaves in America. It's a real problem, no doubt, but it's not nearly that wide spread.

 

[Paschendale]

Not IME.

It's about the fastest, surest way I know for a woman to destroy herself -- but again, I'm speaking from my own limited experience. It's possible there are some women who are thriving as prostitutes.

The ones I met were dying.

What about the prostitutes who function legally, in brothels in Nevada? I looked around for info about studies about their satisfaction, but couldn't find anything. I did find items that suggest greater safety, and substantially greater protection from STDs. These prostitutes are required to use condoms every single time, and instances of STDs among them are extremely rare. They can and do refuse clients who won't use condoms, and are in a safe place where a violent client can't hurt or rape them.

Maybe it's not the best source to go by, but Penn and Teller did an episode about prostitution and discussed Nevada brothels in it. The women were safe from violence, safe from STDs, and made substantially more money than street walkers would. One point that the show made was also that street walkers are actually not the majority of illegal prostitution. Higher class escorts are common as well. We focus on the dangers, disease, and crime of street walkers, but there are other facets to the discussion as well.

 

[AGENT J]

There are probably thriving murderers, too.

Since when do you think we should legislate for the rare exception and not the rule?

Uhm who said we should legislate for the "rare exception" not me?

not to mention define rare exception?

again your "murders" analogy is absolutely meaningless and not a logical parrelle.

ever see deadliest catch? if I want to make non-parallell analogies we should outlaw those fisherman, also "rumor" has it a lot of them have records

two questions

1.) who says its the rare exception, are you suggesting that 90% of all people involved in sexual activities for money are killing themsleves?

2.) if legal do you think the situation will get better or worse overall?

also understand Im not knocking your general OPINION, you are welcome to have one but I am saying your analogy to murder/murders is meaningless and not a parallel

it reminds me of the people comparing slavery to abortion, theres no logical support to it, not trying to offend you, just see no rational ties between the two.

 

[00timh]

Legal. When it's legalized, it can be regulated. When it can be regulated, women are safer and healthier.

I am not surprised that women generally are for legalizing it. And I personally have no problem if it was legalized nation wide. However, I think the legal/safe viewpoint is a bit of a miss. Alcohol is legal and regulated, the products you get are very safe to consume but there are how many severe alcoholics? and how many die from alcohol related accidents and other problems? I know that it is not just the alcoholics who are the cause of the numerous fatalities, but I don't know how much safer making it legal will really be. The industry itself even in legal areas is not a good one. I have no moral qualms about it, I just know the reality of what it really is.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

Legalize it. It's the best way to make it safer, for everyone involved.

 

[Daktoria]

I suppose we should legalize driving on the wrong side of the road too. That'll make it safe as well.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I asked my wife and her response "its her body, she can do what she wants"

My view is more akin to comparing prostitution to the ban on alcohol in the 20s. Its going about as well.

 

[lizzie]

I don't care either way about it. Legal, or illegal, it's still an inherrently risky endeavor for both parties.

 

[nota bene]

It's invasion.

See, I don't see that as compatible. I'm assuming you're a second wave feminist here.

Second wave feminism is based on meritocracy, but meritocracy is based on physically impressive performance.

Therefore, why would you "understand" how some women only have their bodies to offer?

Your assumption is incorrect. I am a third wave feminist who is old enough to have been informed by the first wave and to have lived the second wave and thoroughly rejected it. But thanks for playing.

I can't speak to those who have a drug habit and their desperate needs. But I can speak for single moms and will tell you straight up that if hooking had put food on my babies' table, I'd have done it. Good money and under the table/tax-free too.

Not everybody is "privileged," Daktoria, and you do what you have to do. I was blessed by the opportunity to earn a college education and to acquire workplace skills that saved me from hooking. But if I'd had to, I would've.

Should you ever become a single parent yourself, I'm pretty sure you'll understand exactly what I'm talking about.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

I suppose we should legalize driving on the wrong side of the road too. That'll make it safe as well.

Dak, do you ever address arguments or do you just babble non-sequiturs on a consistent basis?

Please explain to me how making prostitution illegal has done anything other than push more crime onto the streets and endanger sex workers even more than they have to be. Then, explain to me why a lot of countries where it's legal have far less of those things than we do. Then, explain to me why having sex for money is only legal if you record it.

 

[Daktoria]

I can't speak to those who have a drug habit and their desperate needs. But I can speak for single moms and will tell you straight up that if hooking had put food on my babies' table, I'd have done it. Good money and under the table/tax-free too.

...but the question remains, "How do those children exist in the first place?"

Tolerating prostitution contradicts preventing those very dire straits. It addicts people to the liquidation of intimacy.

Your assumption is incorrect. I am a third wave feminist who is old enough to have been informed by the first wave and to have lived the second wave and thoroughly rejected it. But thanks for playing...

...Not everybody is "privileged," Daktoria, and you do what you have to do. I was blessed by the opportunity to earn a college education and to acquire workplace skills that saved me from hooking. But if I'd had to, I would've.

Should you ever become a single parent yourself, I'm pretty sure you'll understand exactly what I'm talking about.

I'm not sure how third wave feminism is compatible with family values. You're actually coming off as second wave here because your primary focus is on work, not art. Third wave feminism focuses on empowering women to express themselves, not merely becoming economically independent.

 

[Daktoria]

Dak, do you ever address arguments or do you just babble non-sequiturs on a consistent basis?

Please explain to me how making prostitution illegal has done anything other than push more crime onto the streets and endanger sex workers even more than they have to be. Then, explain to me why a lot of countries where it's legal have far less of those things than we do. Then, explain to me why having sex for money is only legal if you record it.

Pot kettle?

Everything you just listed is appeasement.

 

[ChrisL]

Pot kettle?

Everything you just listed is appeasement.

I can understand your aversion, but just like guns, crime, murder, abortion, rape, drug addiction, war, etc., etc., it is unfortunately not going to go away. People who do such things will do them regardless of the illegality of it. The only thing you can really do is regulate it and restrict it. With it being illegal, there are NO rules at all. If it was regulated, we could still say no to street hookers; that could still be illegal. I'm thinking more along the lines of brothels.

There are many underage prostitutes too, who are forced into the business against their will. I know that the number of underage prostitutes has been grossly inflated, but to me saving any children from that lifestyle would be a worthwhile cause. Not to mention, all the money we spend as a nation on this kind of stuff. Why? Because two adults decided to exchange sex for money? But that's just my view on it.

 

[ChrisL]

I have heard that men don't actually pay prostitutes for the sex but are actually paying them to LEAVE afterwards. LOL!

 

[Daktoria]

I can understand your aversion, but just like guns, crime, murder, abortion, rape, drug addiction, war, etc., etc., it is unfortunately not going to go away. People who do such things will do them regardless of the illegality of it. The only thing you can really do is regulate it and restrict it.

:wassat1:

With it being illegal, there are NO rules at all.

Illegalizing something is a rule. Now, you're saying we need rules within rules. This can be carried on infinitely where people at some level can always get away with abuse.

If it was regulated, we could still say no to street hookers; that could still be illegal. I'm thinking more along the lines of brothels.

It's not a matter of saying "no". It's a matter of hypercompetition. As an analogy, making contraception available to minors encourages minors to have sex. If they don't, then they fall behind socially because they're not sexually relaxed.

There are many underage prostitutes too, who are forced into the business against their will. I know that the number of underage prostitutes has been grossly inflated, but to me saving any children from that lifestyle would be a worthwhile cause. Not to mention, all the money we spend as a nation on this kind of stuff. Why? Because two adults decided to exchange sex for money? But that's just my view on it.

Exactly. We want to illegalize prostitution so people aren't exploited.

By reducing relationships down to a monetary exchange, we discourage people from exercising long-term duty of care just so they can accept momentary transaction.

 

[Gipper]

I have heard that men don't actually pay prostitutes for the sex but are actually paying them to LEAVE afterwards. LOL!

Yup.

As I've said before, women are like DVDs - cheaper to rent than to buy.