Poll: Felon voting rights amendment gets huge support

[Lursa]

Exactly, drug possession has only been illegal for a very, very short period of human history.

In most cases the laws are worse than the drugs...

Certainly the enforcement of those laws cost more $$$ and lives, esp. law enforcement lives, than any health or driving risks from pot.

The black market crime just from pot investigations and arrests alone cost innocent people their lives.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

I am more on the side of, if you are free and paid your debt all rights are returned, however I would be open to hearing your thoughts on some restrictions.

That's what I'm saying. That part would be automatic.

What I was proposing was a mechanism that the Feds could use to keep certain people's 2ndA rights from being restored. That would require a new case before a judge, and the ex-felon would need to be provided representation. I realize that some 2ndA folks will see a slippery slope there. Basically, unless your crime involve brutal aggravated assault, murder or similar, the state keeping any rights revoked should not be allowed.

 

[Chillfolks]

That's what I'm saying. That part would be automatic.

What I was proposing was a mechanism that the Feds could use to keep certain people's 2ndA rights from being restored. That would require a new case before a judge, and the ex-felon would need to be provided representation. I realize that some 2ndA folks will see a slippery slope there. Basically, unless your crime involve brutal aggravated assault, murder or similar, the state keeping any rights revoked should not be allowed.

If you are deemed too dangerous to have your gun rights restored you are too dangerous to be out of the peneal system and part of society therefore you should not able to vote. IMO

 

[<alt>doxygen]

If you are deemed too dangerous to have your gun rights restored you are too dangerous to be out of the peneal system and part of society therefore you should not able to vote. IMO

In an ideal world, that's how it would work.

 

[Renae]

I really did not expect you to concede so easily...

That you're obsessed with Trump? I concede that.

 

[Renae]

Please, tell me about some of those politicians who run "wanting to reduce LE"?

They make movies about cops and such, granting them hero status. It's just so deflating to see pictures of them repeatedly slugging young women being held on the ground by another uniform. The hero status tends to evaporate.

Well how many Sanctuary cities are there again?

 

[poweRob]

Nope. I live right here in the good ol' USofA where felons get rights taken away.

I got zero sympathy for convicts. Especially felons.

Commit a felony, lose your rights. Simple as that.

So the conservative Christian party folk don't believe in forgiveness or redemption. How predictable.

 

[poweRob]

Democrats support this because they need all the votes they can get.

Are you opposed to it because democrats might get votes?

 

[Middle_Ground]

It's being legalized because our education system has failed and stupid people "YEAH MAN VOTE WEED!!"

That ensures that more people are driving impaired, and you risk bodily injury or death, higher insurance rates, more crime But hey, POT GOOD LOL! FFS people are stupid.

Yeah you go ahead and believe all that bull**** if you want. If that was truly the case it would have gone on the ballot in the 60's during the other young people revolution.
Personally I think pot should be legal and alcohol illegal but no one asked me.
I'm sure there was an increase in wife beating and driving while under the influence when prohibition ended.

 

[Renae]

Yeah you go ahead and believe all that bull**** if you want. If that was truly the case it would have gone on the ballot in the 60's during the other young people revolution.
Personally I think pot should be legal and alcohol illegal but no one asked me.
I'm sure there was an increase in wife beating and driving while under the influence when prohibition ended.

MJ is the bread and Circuses...

 

[Thoreau72]

Well how many Sanctuary cities are there again?

Don't know, don't care. eace

 

[Captain America]

So the conservative Christian party folk don't believe in forgiveness or redemption. How predictable.

Don't know. You'd have to ask them.

I am a moderate centrist who swears there ain't no heaven and prays there ain't no hell. LOL!

But I believe a scumbag is a scumbag and prison offers little chance of redemption. I'm pretty tough on CONVICTS. **** 'em.

 

[Captain America]

On an island, do you mean like Australia? Been tried...

By your standard anyone making a mistake in their teens or twenties deserves to suffer for the rest of their lives. Remember driving after three or for wine coolers is now a felony for first offence in ever state but mine.

Can you honestly say you have never committed a felony?

I committed a felony when I bought my first joint. I never got caught.

I hear what you're saying but I have neither the time, inclination nor desire to go nit pick every case and re-judge the circumstances that landed a CONVICT in prison. **** 'em.

If a person is such a ****-up that they eventually have to be put in prison, they get what they deserve.

 

[TheParser]

If someone commits violence against a totally innocent person, that individual should never, ever be forgiven, let alone allowed to vote.

 

[Captain America]

A felon is most likely a citizen and they are as entitled to vote as much as you or I.

I don't think so.

Not in my state. All eyes are on Florida where, I suspect, more people have felonies on their record, than we do here, and might be a tad more forgiving than I am.

 

[Captain America]

My comment doesn't allow for a shade a grey, and of course, as your comment notes, there is.

so, for the grey area, those who are not violent, nor victimless, a review board to determine fitness?

We could reconsider, revisit, re-analyze, until we're blue in the face and the line will still need to be drawn somewhere. I'm okay with where it's drawn now. CONVICT felons don't get guns or votes and they have to carry the burdon of shame, as well as all the downfalls of that shame, for the rest of their lives. I have more important things to ponder than the fate of some CONVICT felon. **** 'em.

 

[Captain America]

So youre more concerned with some arbitrary label society put on them than whether they are responsible voters. In fact you DID put a gun to their head and cause them to be a criminal, but outlawing peaceful behavior.

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[Excon]

This has the potential to have a major impact in a swing state.

Potential? If felons were at all interested in voting, sure.

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Yet they have a high recidivism rate ...

High recidivism? Subjective? What do you consider high? And please do not cite arrest data as that does not indicate actual recidivism. Conviction for a new crime does.
The fact is that as an aggregate, most do not commit new crimes.
If you break it down by category, violent offenders re-offend far less than those who commit property crimes.

and have proven they lack good judgement,

This can be a valid argument.
But how do you know they haven't lost that bad judgment?
I think for this to be a valid argument the person would have to be a repeat offender and exemplifying that they do indeed have bad judgement, but should be able to have the ability to reestablish their voting rights after a period of time showing they have shaken that supposed bad judgment.

 

[Excon]

I think felons should have considered the loss of their rights BEFORE they committed a felony.

The whole point is to deter felonious crime.

Tough noogies convict. Suck it up.

If it was up to me, felons would have a big F tattooed on their forehead. **** 'em.

1. There is no deterrence.
2. Most laws do not reflect your opinion on the topic. :shrug:
3. Most of the "rights" being taken away really have no impact. FFS, some prison trusties were armed at one point in time. At least one state used to give felons a gun upon release and I have never seen any stats that justified taking that right away from them. As far as I know it was fear mongering to get some type of gun control started.

What about them?

Are they felons?

If so, you know my answer already.

I'm okay with not letting some CONVICT have a say in determining who will, or will not, be our leaders.

If they didn't want the consequences of being a felon, they shouldn't have been one to begin with.

I did not put a gun to their head and cause them to be a criminal. No sympathy here.

:lamo
You are part of society.
Society knows that a portion of it will commit crime yet Society is not doing a damn thing to prevent that from happening, so society bears part of the blame, therefore you are part of the blame.

[SUP]I do not believe that is a valid argument to hold anyone else responsible, but I just thought I would throw that out there.
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I would send them all to an island and let them fend for themselves.

Yeah. Take over Iceland. Send every criminal there, even civil infractions.

Littering? Your gone!

Jaywalk? Your gone!

You object? Your gone!

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, ie drugs. What about them?

They are the worst type of offenders as they knowingly and deliberately break the law.

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, the trump crime family is the highest pedophile crime family in the world..

Wrong as usual.

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How one votes has nothing to do with the right to vote.


Using your logic, we should remove your right to vote because you want to vote for people who want to take away my health care, and that of millions.

No, no, no, no.
No one wants to take your healthcare from you like you apparently want to take other peoples money to pay for it, they just want you to pay for your own as you should.

Violent crime felon, no.

Victimless crime felon, yes.

That agreeable to everyone?

No.
Violent criminals have lower recidivism rates

We should have enough data to make a reasonable determination of those who are likely to re-offend and those who are not, with reassessments as time passes.

I am against capital punishment because with it, the mathematical probability of killing an innocent man (inclusive of woman), eventually, is 100%. ALL other factors are subordinate to that one. In fact, none other than that one is needed to it repeal the law, it, alone, should suffice. But, alas, for many, feelings of vengeance cannot be separated, so the law stands. Sad
( especially for the murdered innocent ).

If those who support capital punishment, replying to the above with "well, I feel more for those the murderer killed"
I say this.

Do you support murdering the innocent? Yes, or no?


If you answer yes, as I am sure you will, then......


You have no choice but to vote to repeal capital punishment, because with it, the math probability is 100% that an innocent will be killed because of the law.


Why, then, does the law still stand?

No.
Some crimes deserving of death can certainly be assured to have been committed by the individual.
e.g.: Dylann Roof

 

[jonny5]

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[Lesh]

Once a "convicts" time has been fully served they should be granted full rights.

What good is done by creating a permanent underclass of ex-cons?

You virtually guarantee that they be repeat offenders by dong so

 

[Lursa]

If someone commits violence against a totally innocent person, that individual should never, ever be forgiven, let alone allowed to vote.

Are you a Christian?

 

[<alt>doxygen]

I don't think so.

Not in my state. All eyes are on Florida where, I suspect, more people have felonies on their record, than we do here, and might be a tad more forgiving than I am.

Most states give the right to vote back after time is served. Florida politicians have historically not done a very good job with that, thus it is on the ballot. I voted for it for several reasons, but "screw them" never crossed my mind. I have already posted that I have a problem with giving some convicted murderers their 2ndA rights back, but that's really a different conversation. This is just about voting.

If someone does the time, they should generally be allowed to re-enter society as full members. The stigma alone will screw employment options for life.

 

[TheParser]

Are you a Christian?

I cannot believe in a "God."

The unspeakable suffering of humans (not to mention four-legged animals) is proof that the idea of a "God" is absurd.

But if trying to convince yourself that "God" exists gives you some comfort, then more power to you!


Best wishes.