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That's horrible advice. Depending on what the officer is trying to talk to you about, I would greatly advise against that.
Instead, ask if you are being arrested or if you should get a lawyer.
Thanks for the info. And, again, the if the police's side of the story turns out to be true and the video shows what they say it shows, then shooting the guy was permissible. I'll continue to take it with a grain of salt for now.
Here's a link to the video : CCTV footage appears to show Antonio Martin raising gun to police officer - video | US news | The GuardianThis is what CNN is currently reporting:
But Berkeley's mayor, who is black, said Wednesday that this shooting cannot be compared to officer-involved deaths in nearby Ferguson and on Staten Island, New York -- incidents that spurred widespread protests after grand juries decided not to charge the officers.
"(It) does not appear .... that the police officer initiated" Tuesday's shooting, Mayor Theodore Hoskins told reporters Wednesday, citing, in part, the surveillance video that he says appears to show the teen aiming a gun at the officer.
Officer fatally shoots armed teen in town near Ferguson - CNN.com
That's not the standard. Besides, you would have to expect that in a predominantly black neighborhood, it would be predominantly blacks that are approached by cops. The issue here isn't race. It is that a man pulled a gun on a cop. Skin color in such a scenario is only important to those obsessed with race to begin with.Did that cop ever approach white men in the parking lot of that establishment while on routine patrol?
if so, it's not about race.
Who polices the police?
Thanks for the info. And, again, the if the police's side of the story turns out to be true and the video shows what they say it shows, then shooting the guy was permissible. I'll continue to take it with a grain of salt for now.
I know, I have seen the stupid video. You do it your way, I'll do it my way, and this idiot will do it his way. In the end, the people that stay alive and out of jail will be the winners. Having had maybe 50 interactions with on duty law enforcement over 40 years I really am not scared of being railroaded or falsely imprisoned by some crazy cop. Most of them appreciate honesty and the ability to do what they need to do and get on with their day.
That's horrible advice. Depending on what the officer is trying to talk to you about, I would greatly advise against that.
Instead, ask if you are being arrested or if you should get a lawyer.
Until you post some evidence to support this I'm going to believe that your post is BS. :roll:
Who polices the police?
8pm, 24 hours of it, looking forward tomarathon.'A Christmas Story'
You passive-aggressively accused me of arguing that it's never okay to shoot a Black person in response to post when I literally said that it was okay to shoot a Black person.
Yes, it's always wise to escalate a harmless situation when simple manners would suffice. No matter who it is, if someone comes up to me and asks me a question, I try to answer it if I can or let them know that I can't. Since I'm not a criminal nor do I have a giant chip on my shoulder, I tend to treat police officers in the same manner. And just to be clear, that's not a hypothetical. I've been out walking my dog and been approached by a police car asking if I've seen something or someone they're looking for or been advised about something. I don't immediately go into full defense attorney combat mode just because they're police officers.
Respect and decency towards one another can go a long, long way.
Just as an aside - with this post, and your post previous to this one, I have to wonder why such a sane voice, a voice of reason, isn't posting more in the almost 4 years you've been a member. Your contributions would be valuable. Thanks for the input here.
That's horrible advice. Depending on what the officer is trying to talk to you about, I would greatly advise against that.
Instead, ask if you are being arrested or if you should get a lawyer.
I'm not criticizing your opinion; I'm criticizing your allergy to the facts. The fact is that you accused me of doing something in response to a post where I did the exact opposite. Do you realize that you could have just said, "Oh. I didn't see that you had said that. My mistake."? Jesus Christ, dude. Integrity is a lot easier than this **** show.Oh don't give me that lame lib debating tactic of accusing people of being "passive aggressive". I was no such thing, and you know it. I am entitled to my opinion, same as you (as wrong headed as it is).
If asking an officer "why am I being arrested" or "should I get a lawyer" escalates a situation, then the police have a problem and need to be re-trained. Thank you for unwittingly highlighting the problem of excessive force and please stay in Canada.Yes, it's always wise to escalate a harmless situation when simple manners would suffice.
1. The police said he pulled a gun. If they police are telling the truth, then it was permissible to shoot him. I'm not inclined to just accept what the police say just because they said it.
2. The police said he pulled a gun AFTER the protesters came to the scene. Therefore, asking why protesters were mad in light of the fact that the police said he pulled a gun is nonsensical since the police hadn't even provided their side of the story yet.
3. I support these protests wholeheartedly and while I can understand why some people would "taunt" officers (built up anger and frustration), it bothers me. I don't think that that is the way to express one's frustration.
This past summer I was out watering the last remaining live vegitation in my side yard. It was the weekend so I was dressed in my rattiest shorts and t-shirt, hadn't shaved and as I was just outside my house, didn't think to grab any sort of ID. Despite the water hose in my hand, one of my neighbors called the police to report my suspicious activity. Officer shows up and starts questioning me. He tries to make it seem like harmless small talk, asking me the names of my dogs, what year my car sitting in the drive was, things like that but I totally got that he was testing me, seeing if my answers made sense. I guess I could have clammed up and been incensed that he we questioning me of all people (why my innocence should have been obvious to him) and tell him last I checked this was still America and demand a lawyer, but all that would have done is drug out what was a twenty minute encounter. I just can't be too upset with someone who was actually potentially protecting my house. I can't even be too pissed at whichever neighbor reported me (even though I do think it a little silly).
kinda depends on what the question is
Thanks, I mostly come here to read other peoples perspectives on things. You and a few other seem to mostly have the same view as I do on a lot of things and say it better than I generally would.
At which point he can place you under arrest and hold you for 24 hours.
Is your next piece of advice to resist arrest?
You seem to be freaking out over it, I have no issue with it at all. Cooperate to me is "just answering his questions". If your a paranoid nut case that thinks cops are trying to find a reason to arrest you then yes just shut up and lawyer up. Just remember that to do that means you will probably be taken in until they can figure out why you need a lawyer.
Clamming up is also considered obstruction. So if you even just look like someone they are looking for and get all uppity, expect to be treated as such.
If you refuse to defer to the authority vested in the officer by the state you live in. I don't care how much of a beat down you receive.
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