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Poland designates July 11th Remembrance Day for Polish victims of Genocide at the hands of Ukrainian Nationalists

Tigerace117 said:
If the Soviets had even been remotely equivalent to the Nazis there wouldn’t be any Germans left there in the first place.
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Are you saying that Stalin did not murder enough people to be as bad as Hitler? We really don't care about numbers when it comes to mass murderers. They are all equally bad. Stalin purposely starved millions of Ukrainians to death. That crime alone is equal to anything the Nazi's did.

How Joseph Stalin Starved Millions in the Ukrainian Famine​

Cruel efforts under Stalin to impose collectivism and tamp down Ukrainian nationalism left an estimated 3.9 million dead.

https://www.history.com/articles/ukrainian-famine-stalin
 
iguanaman said:
Are you saying that Stalin did not murder enough people to be as bad as Hitler? We really don't care about numbers when it comes to mass murderers. They are all equally bad. Stalin purposely starved millions of Ukrainians to death. That crime alone is equal to anything the Nazi's did.

How Joseph Stalin Starved Millions in the Ukrainian Famine​

Cruel efforts under Stalin to impose collectivism and tamp down Ukrainian nationalism left an estimated 3.9 million dead.

https://www.history.com/articles/ukrainian-famine-stalin
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The Germans killed more than that during their occupation of Ukraine, as I have repeatedly shown to you. Which is why the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians remained loyal to Stalin.

Ah, so you are claiming the US is equally bad as Hitler then? After all, America repeatedly committed mass murder against its minorities...over, and over, and over again.

Uh....no it isn’t, because the Nazis planned to utterly wiped out Ukraine’s entire urban population via famine— another fact that has been repeatedly shown to you.

Thankfully, the Soviets utterly crushed the Third Reich, much to America’s despair.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Adoration and emulation of Putin.

Some folks just feel kindred with war criminals 🤷‍♂️
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Do you bar poles from honoring their history ? Or do you demand them to rewrite their history ?
It's worth mentioning that neither Kuchma , nor Zelensky or any other nationalist thug from Ukrainian "govt/junta" ever made an attempt to offer a pardon to Poles for the "deeds" of their beloved ancestors.
By the way, the national hero of Ukraine, Stepan Bandera is a notorious NAZIE COLLABORATOR, have you forgotten ?
 
dandolo2k said:
Do you bar poles from honoring their history ? Or do you demand them to rewrite their history ?
It's worth mentioning that neither Kuchma , nor Zelensky or any other nationalist thug from Ukrainian "govt/junta" ever made an attempt to offer a pardon to Poles for the "deeds" of their beloved ancestors.
By the way, the national hero of Ukraine, Stepan Bandera is a notorious NAZIE COLLABORATOR, have you forgotten ?
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A Nazi collaborator that was sent to a concentration camp...

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
dandolo2k said:
Do you bar poles from honoring their history ? Or do you demand them to rewrite their history ?
It's worth mentioning that neither Kuchma , nor Zelensky or any other nationalist thug from Ukrainian "govt/junta" ever made an attempt to offer a pardon to Poles for the "deeds" of their beloved ancestors.
By the way, the national hero of Ukraine, Stepan Bandera is a notorious NAZIE COLLABORATOR, have you forgotten ?
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You are forgetting the West doesn’t see collaboration with the Nazis, as Bandera and his followers enthusiastically carried out, as a bad thing.
 
Rogue Valley said:
And murdered by the KGB in 1956.
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and yet , the same time still a NAZIE collaborator, who coordinated Ukrainian mobile groups , purging Ukraine from Jews and and other persecuted nationalities.
Even his dwelling in a personal cell in concentration camp (for high profile prisoners ) with hotel-level accommodation, regular visits of his wife and full access to his supporters, even these "sufferings" do not alter the fact that Stepan Bandera is a NAZIE CRIMINAL and COLLABORATOR, responsible for the deaths of thousand Jews and Ukrainians.
 
dandolo2k said:
and yet , the same time still a NAZIE collaborator, who coordinated Ukrainian mobile groups , purging Ukraine from Jews and and other persecuted nationalities.
Even his dwelling in a personal cell in concentration camp (for high profile prisoners ) with hotel-level accommodation, regular visits of his wife and full access to his supporters, even these "sufferings" do not alter the fact that Stepan Bandera is a NAZIE CRIMINAL and COLLABORATOR, responsible for the deaths of thousand Jews and Ukrainians.
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Nazi.

Interesting... Didn't 30,000+ inmates die at Sachsenhousen. Wasn't there also gas chamber? Wasn't this where early mass execution methods tried out?
 
dandolo2k said:
Actually executed .
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It’s fascinating how some wail “but he was in a prison camp for a bit” like the Nazis didn’t routinely purge their collaborators and military leaders, such as Erwin Rommel.

But any excuse to justify celebration of a proud Nazi collaborator, I suppose.
 
More and more Western countries are starting to understand the horrors of Ukrainian Nazism. If Polish people are turning their backs on Ukrainian Nazis, more will follow suit, and the old world order will be dismantled.

As a Serbian nationalist this gives me hope. The old world order has kept Serbia from reclaiming rightful Serbian land, so a breakdown will allow Serbia to reclaim its stolen territory.
 
BogJeSrbin said:
More and more Western countries are starting to understand the horrors of Ukrainian Nazism. If Polish people are turning their backs on Ukrainian Nazis, more will follow suit, and the old world order will be dismantled.

As a Serbian nationalist this gives me hope. The old world order has kept Serbia from reclaiming rightful Serbian land, so a breakdown will allow Serbia to reclaim its stolen territory.
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I am afraid you have been enlisted as Russian by Ukie fans already...
But yes. At least KOSOVO must be returned...
 
Quite odd that Bandera wound up in a NAZI concentration camp (Sachsenhausen).
 
Fledermaus said:
No. It isn't.

Serbia lost Kosovo due the their genocide and ethnic cleansing.
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Serbia lost NOTHING. KOSOVO was ILLEGALLY stolen by the West for the false pretext of "ethnic cleansing".
More than 100+ countries don't recognize KOSOVO as independent country.
 
Grand Mal said:
Putin is grinning though!
He might as well pull out now. All it takes is one 'Nay!' vote to keep Ukraine out of NATO.
Or, hey, here's a thought- what if Poland is trying to lull (and gull!) Putin?
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There was never any chance of Ukraine joining NATO.

Perhaps you mean EU membership?
 
Grand Mal said:
Why did Russia invade?
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in 2014? Because Obama invited them to.

Donbas and Crimea have historically been Russia - in fact back in 2014 when Obama gave it to Putin (to be flexible) I was somewhat surprised, because I had always learned that the Crimea was part of Russia.

But then, I don't really give a shit. Vlod and Vlad are both scumbags. I oppose them both.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
in 2014? Because Obama invited them to.
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No. Obama didn't invite Putin to invade Ukraine.

www.rferl.org

From 'Not Us' To 'Why Hide It?': How Russia Denied Its Crimea Invasion, Then Admitted It

Russia initially denied that its soldiers seized government buildings and other strategic facilities in Crimea ahead of its March 2014 annexation of the Ukrainian peninsula five years ago this week -- despite obvious signs of its involvement. It took a year for Moscow to come clean.
www.rferl.org www.rferl.org

Uncensored2008 said:
Donbas and Crimea have historically been Russia - in fact back in 2014 when Obama gave it to Putin (to be flexible) I was somewhat surprised, because I had always learned that the Crimea was part of Russia.
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Ask for a refund on your tuition.

en.wikipedia.org

Crimea - Wikipedia

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In 2003 Putin himself signed the treaty marking the Ukraine/Russia borders. Donbas is Ukrainian as acknowledged by Putin.

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Treaty on the Russian–Ukrainian border - Wikipedia

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