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See, that's ridiculous. The city disarms people, doesn't control crime in the forgotten areas, then tells those they've disarmed to "just deal with it". Sorry, but I don't go into suicide situations, I'll go into survival improbable situations if it's important, but a dollar isn't worth being at a lethal disadvantage.The City of Chicago has very strict laws on the city taxi cabs. Taxi drivers are scared to go into some neighborhoods in the city; but refuse to go? You'll lose your medallion.
Have you eaten their pizza?
I lived in Detroit. Below 8 MIle Road, the real inner city, and I still have relatives that live there, but they got out of the old neighborhood, with good reason.
When I visit, there is no way in hell, I'd go back to the old neighborhood in broad daylight. Unless I had a CWP, because it is very, very dangerous. So when I read the OP, I wasn't surprised at all.
Anyone who wants delivery service to continue, should have to do the delivering, IMO.
Where does this impression come from?It's getting to the point that it's becoming illegal to protect yourself from harmful areas or offend people.
It was mentioned earlier that courts have decided that area specific non-serve was illegal and that is why there is a city wide blackout. So yes, if they serve to a safe neighborhood they would have to serve to a dangerous one so they decided to blackout to keep their drivers safe.Where does this impression come from?
Is there any indication that Jets Pizza is facing any legal ramifications from their decision not to deliver to Detroit after dark?
What baloney - or outright cowardice caused by self imposed fear.
I am a 63 year old white guy who is in Detroit a great deal because of my job. I walk the streets and neighborhoods and go to houses that would appear to have you quaking in your soiled boots just thinking about. We just knocked on over 5,000 doors in a four by six mile area and some of it is very poverty stricken. Nobody bothered me. And I am not armed or with a cadre of black guys wearing colors.
And I lived to tell about it.
Stroll on over to 6 and Mount Elliott. Start walking and make sure you go down Norwalk, Evaline, Doremus then maybe go down Huber or Miller. Better yet go there after dark like the pizza delivery kid and then get back to me.
I walk through Brightmoor...... I walk through HUbbell & Joy ...... I walk through Greenfield and Warren where a baby was machine gunned recently.
I don't need to get back to you. I have walked on every single block from Ford Road to Fenkell and from the Detroit border to Greenfield over the past two years. And now I walk from Greenfield east to Wyoming and from Tireman up to the Jeffries.
I can show you blocks that make the neighborhoods you shake from look like Beverly Hills. I do this as a 63 year old white guy with a clipboard.
It's been mentioned in this thread, but not in the article. Nor anywhere I could find a few quick Googles.It was mentioned earlier that courts have decided that area specific non-serve was illegal and that is why there is a city wide blackout. So yes, if they serve to a safe neighborhood they would have to serve to a dangerous one so they decided to blackout to keep their drivers safe.
When they opened a place near us we got one. To me, pizza has four main categories:
the worst and lowest is the five dollar pizza pizza that is aimed at families with kids
the second is stuff like Jets - franchise stuff which tries to be a cut above the pizza pizza cardboard and still be economical
the third is good Italian restaurant pizza made by people who care and use fresh ingredients and charge a good 50% more than the second tier
the fourth is the more expensive artisan pizza made in wood burning ovens with special ingredients and costs the most.
I once heard a presentation from a film critic who had been a food critic for a large newspaper. They said that surveys indicated the two chief concerns of patrons in picking a restaurant were as follows:
1- is it cheap?
2- will it make me sick?
And thus we explain Jets pizza.
I find it hard to dislike someone who takes pizza with the seriousness it deserves. :mrgreen:
Billy the Kid said:I lived in Detroit. Below 8 MIle Road, the real inner city, and I still have relatives that live there, but they got out of the old neighborhood, with good reason.
When I visit, there is no way in hell, I'd go back to the old neighborhood in broad daylight. Unless I had a CWP, because it is very, very dangerous. So when I read the OP, I wasn't surprised at all.
Anyone who wants delivery service to continue, should have to do the delivering, IMO.
haymarket said:What baloney - or outright cowardice caused by self imposed fear.
I am a 63 year old white guy who is in Detroit a great deal because of my job. I walk the streets and neighborhoods and go to houses that would appear to have you quaking in your soiled boots just thinking about. We just knocked on over 5,000 doors in a four by six mile area and some of it is very poverty stricken. Nobody bothered me. And I am not armed or with a cadre of black guys wearing colors.
And I lived to tell about it.
I walk through Brightmoor...... I walk through HUbbell & Joy ...... I walk through Greenfield and Warren where a baby was machine gunned recently.
I don't need to get back to you. I have walked on every single block from Ford Road to Fenkell and from the Detroit border to Greenfield over the past two years. And now I walk from Greenfield east to Wyoming and from Tireman up to the Jeffries.
I can show you blocks that make the neighborhoods you shake from look like Beverly Hills. I do this as a 63 year old white guy with a clipboard.
One of three conclusions:
1) You're just flat-out lying as part of your liberal sympathy case for urban plight and denying simple reality.
2) You got lucky. Anyone can walk through a crossfire and not get hit. Whether they can do it consistently is another issue.
3) You took a wrong turn and went to Farmington Hills on accident.
I have zero friends with whom I agree on everything.Well Goshin, we seem to have at least two things in common - besides great pizza we also seem to have a love of Middle-earth.
That is what is good about a board like this where you can discuss very different things. You might disagree with somebody about politics but then discover you both cheer for the same sports team or like the same music...... or in this case - hobbits eating pizza over a pile of roasting orcs.
I'd like to point out that that isn't quite the same thing as being a pizza delivery driver, who carries cash to make change, after dark.
I am still trying to wrap my head around the courts saying a delivery place can't choose where to deliver.
That is seriously disturbing to me.
Where did you read that the courts said any such thing?I am still trying to wrap my head around the courts saying a delivery place can't choose where to deliver.
That is seriously disturbing to me.
What court finding?The court finding falls under the anti-discrimination laws. The concern is that businesses will not service minority areas the same as they would "safer" neighborhoods. There was a similar issue with cabdrivers in NYC who refused to drive people to certain areas where they were being robbed and killed.
Hopefully that pizza chain fights that idiotic ruling. A delivery places should be free to refuse to deliver to any area they feel is dangerous to their employees while still being able to deliver to areas they feel are safe for their employees.
AFAICT, none of them are.If it can be demonstrated that a neighborhood is high crime area, no fast food business should be compelled to make deliveries there, regardless of the racial makeup of the neighborhood.
What baloney - or outright cowardice caused by self imposed fear.
I am a 63 year old white guy who is in Detroit a great deal because of my job. I walk the streets and neighborhoods and go to houses that would appear to have you quaking in your soiled boots just thinking about. We just knocked on over 5,000 doors in a four by six mile area and some of it is very poverty stricken. Nobody bothered me. And I am not armed or with a cadre of black guys wearing colors.
And I lived to tell about it.
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