Perry Meeting with Big Donors

[cpwill]

Looking more and more like he's going to get in. Mind you, that's what I thought with Daniels.


Some potential donors and bundlers for Texas Governor Rick Perry, if he mounts a presidential campaign, are meeting Tuesday in Austin, a Republican source confirms.

These money men have been talking to possible financial supporters around the country weighing how much support a candidacy would garner and will deliver their preliminary results during these meetings, the source told CNN....

He has been calling many Republican activists and party leaders in the key early voting states in the past few weeks and on Tuesday spoke by satellite with a group of South Carolina pastors.

Over the weekend an interview Perry gave to the Des Moines Register stoked more speculation that he was ready to jump in.

"I'm not ready to tell you that I'm ready to announce that I'm in," he told the paper. "But I'm getting more and more comfortable every day that this is what I've been called to do. This is what America needs."...

 

[PeteEU]

another idiot wingnut with a checkered past... an Al Gore supporter and tax raiser also! Romney looks better and better which is sad...

 

[tessaesque]

another idiot wingnut with a checkered past... an Al Gore supporter and tax raiser also! Romney looks better and better which is sad...

So basically...a politician?

 

[PeteEU]

So basically...a politician?

Not all politicians are wingnuts , but yes most are idiots with a checkered past

 

[Crosscheck]

With such a weak field currently in the Republican running it is a given that someone could easily jump in and take away the glory.

Outiside of Texas who really knows Perry? And that is probably good thing for him.

 

[SlackMaster]

With such a weak field currently in the Republican running it is a given that someone could easily jump in and take away the glory.

Outiside of Texas who really knows Perry? And that is probably good thing for him.

I'm trademarking "Bush III"

 

[tessaesque]

I'm trademarking "Bush III"

It's kind of funny, actually. The Bush's have this awkward, tense relationship with Perry. The Bush's feel like they brought Perry up, but Perry doesn't want to be identified with them. A lot of their ideologies are actually a bit different. There was an article about it out of Tyler a few months back.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Perry is a religionist. He is very involved with religious extremists who are lunatics without question. If Perry became President, and he won't for many reasons, he would open the nation to the Christiban. Most Americans are very much opposed to oppressive religious government.

 

[tessaesque]

Perry is a religionist. He is very involved with religious extremists who are lunatics without question. If Perry became President, and he won't for many reasons, he would open the nation to the Christiban. Most Americans are very much opposed to oppressive religious government.

Not sure how accurate that is. We've had one law he was involved in that had anything even remotely related to religion at it's base, and that was the one requiring women to view a sonogram before aborting. Other than that....and speaking at a voluntary prayer event...I'm not seeing him stuffing religion, forcing religion, or empowering religions above the law....so....maybe a BIT of an exaggeration, there.

 

[SlackMaster]

Not sure how accurate that is. We've had one law he was involved in that had anything even remotely related to religion at it's base, and that was the one requiring women to view a sonogram before aborting. Other than that....and speaking at a voluntary prayer event...I'm not seeing him stuffing religion, forcing religion, or empowering religions above the law....so....maybe a BIT of an exaggeration, there.

Don't forget praying for rain.

The association with the hate group AFA is enough to lose my vote.

 

[tessaesque]

Don't forget praying for rain.

The association with the hate group AFA is enough to lose my vote.

I'm pretty sure when it hits 105 and we've had 50 days w/o significant rainfall pretty much all you CAN do is pray for rain. It's silly to nitpick on something like that, IMO.

As far as the AFA goes, it's one event...not a life-long partnership. Kind of like Obama having a casual relationship with William Ayres. Obama didn't endorse, take part in, or come out in support of anything Ayres did in his younger years, so it's pretty ridiculous to act as though Obama is part of that mentality.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Not sure how accurate that is. We've had one law he was involved in that had anything even remotely related to religion at it's base, and that was the one requiring women to view a sonogram before aborting. Other than that....and speaking at a voluntary prayer event...I'm not seeing him stuffing religion, forcing religion, or empowering religions above the law....so....maybe a BIT of an exaggeration, there.

He isn't running for President yet. His nut case religious connections are theorem right under the surface. His non-religious, all faith "The Response" pray day has been endorsed by C. Peter Wagner - a real Christian extremist and a dominionist and Cindy Jacobs, who equally insane. Not far behind them will Benny Hinn. LOL! Perry is in bed with the Christiban.

 

[tessaesque]

He isn't running for President yet. His nut case religious connections are theorem right under the surface. His non-religious, all faith "The Response" pray day has been endorsed by C. Peter Wagner - a real Christian extremist and a dominionist and Cindy Jacobs, who equally insane. Not far behind them will Benny Hinn. LOL! Perry is in bed with the Christiban.

See the post above yours. One event does not an association make.

 

[winston53660]

See the post above yours. One event does not an association make.

He is the headliner the promoter the face of this event.

 

[tessaesque]

He is the headliner the promoter the face of this event.

And? If I arrange an event for the recognition of 1st generation Irish students and their college needs and somebody like the KKK decides to endorse it I have no control over that.

 

[winston53660]

And? If I arrange an event for the recognition of 1st generation Irish students and their college needs and somebody like the KKK decides to endorse it I have no control over that.

And if you are willing accept and promote the endorsement of the KKK write invitations on State Letter Head to an event they are promoting where you are the featured speaker.....guess what, you are more than knee deep in it.

 

[SlackMaster]

And? If I arrange an event for the recognition of 1st generation Irish students and their college needs and somebody like the KKK decides to endorse it I have no control over that.

Rick Perry is the initiator. AFA is the sponsor. It's not like it's something he couldn't help. If he didn't want the association he could have backed out after they sponsored it.

Eric Bearse who is the spokesperson for the event was also Perry's director of communications.

I think they're a little cozier than you might think.

 

[tessaesque]

Rick Perry is the initiator. AFA is the sponsor. It's not like it's something he couldn't help. If he didn't want the association he could have backed out after they sponsored it.

Eric Bearse who is the spokesperson for the event was also Perry's director of communications.

I think they're a little cozier than you might think.

I just think it's ridiculous to act as though one event is somehow indicative of some evil conspiracy. Again, much like Obama and William Ayres, I think this is much ado about something pretty irrelevent. AFA's sponsorship means everybody who attends does so for free. That's pretty cool for people who view prayer as a means of maintaining hope and sanity in trying times. I'm not a religious person at all, but I really just don't think this is much of an issue. The whole event is stupid as far as I'm concerned...but I hardly think it's going to usher in some sort of cataclysmic joining of forces over the long term.

 

[SlackMaster]

I just think it's ridiculous to act as though one event is somehow indicative of some evil conspiracy.

No... I don't think it's a "conspiracy" either. I just think that the AFA is representative of Perry's views and that he doesn't mind partnering up with them to violate the constitution.

That's all

 

[tessaesque]

No... I don't think it's a "conspiracy" either. I just think that the AFA is representative of Perry's views and that he doesn't mind partnering up with them to violate the constitution.

That's all

And without proof of that through any other means but one event, it's an opinion based on very little. Do you have any other information that supports that suggestion?? Anything at all? It seems kind of silly to me to want to throw somebody under the bus so quickly because of one situation.

 

[SlackMaster]

And without proof of that through any other means but one event, it's an opinion based on very little. Do you have any other information that supports that suggestion?? Anything at all? It seems kind of silly to me to want to throw somebody under the bus so quickly because of one situation.

I don't think it's much of a stretch to think that if someone partners up with a religious organization to put on a religious event... that the religious group is representative of that person's religious beliefs :shrug:

The AFA being representative of his views is my opinion. Unless he comes out an specifies "this is what I believe, this is what I don't" it's hard to know exactly. I can only make a guess based on his actions. I typically don't team up with people (even for one event) that I disagree with.

I think your argument would be stronger if he initiated this rally and the AFA was one of many donors (or weren't the main donors). That's not the case though. They are sponsoring it, it's a partnership.

Even if he doesn't share their views though, his partnering with the AFA to violate the constitution is enough of a problem for me to not vote for him.

 

[ElCid]

Perry is a damned good man, but the GOP simply can't beat Obama. The nation is still obsessed with * The First Black Guy (not intended to be racist, please......), even though his presidency has been a dismal failure, minus his killing of OBL. Props for that, Obama. Props for that.

* Not a racial slur, but simply a statement of fact. Obama's race is hugely important, and there's no denying that.

 

[Risky Thicket]

From the Texas Observer:

On September 28, 2009, at 1:40 p.m., God’s messengers visited Rick Perry.

On this day, the Lord’s messengers arrived in the form of two Texas pastors, Tom Schlueter of Arlington and Bob Long of San Marcos, who called on Perry in the governor’s office inside the state Capitol. Schlueter and Long both oversee small congregations, but they are more than just pastors. They consider themselves modern-day apostles and prophets, blessed with the same gifts as Old Testament prophets or New Testament apostles.

The pastors told Perry of God’s grand plan for Texas. A chain of powerful prophecies had proclaimed that Texas was “The Prophet State,” anointed by God to lead the United States into revival and Godly government. And the governor would have a special role.

The day before the meeting, Schlueter had received a prophetic message from Chuck Pierce, an influential prophet from Denton, Texas. God had apparently commanded Schlueter—through Pierce—to “pray by lifting the hand of the one I show you that is in the place of civil rule.”

Gov. Perry, it seemed.

Schlueter had prayed before his congregation: “Lord Jesus I bring to you today Gov. Perry. ... I am just bringing you his hand and I pray Lord that he will grasp ahold of it. For if he does you will use him mightily.”

And grasp ahold the governor did. At the end of their meeting, Perry asked the two pastors to pray over him. As the pastors would later recount, the Lord spoke prophetically as Schlueter laid his hands on Perry, their heads bowed before a painting of the Battle of the Alamo. Schlueter “declared over [Perry] that there was a leadership role beyond Texas and that Texas had a role beyond what people understand,” Long later told his congregation.

So you have to wonder: Is Rick Perry God’s man for president?

Schlueter, Long and other prayer warriors in a little-known but increasingly influential movement at the periphery of American Christianity seem to think so. The movement is called the New Apostolic Reformation. Believers fashion themselves modern-day prophets and apostles. They have taken Pentecostalism, with its emphasis on ecstatic worship and the supernatural, and given it an adrenaline shot.

The movement’s top prophets and apostles believe they have a direct line to God. Through them, they say, He communicates specific instructions and warnings. When mankind fails to heed the prophecies, the results can be catastrophic: earthquakes in Japan, terrorist attacks in New York, and economic collapse. On the other hand, they believe their God-given decrees have ended mad cow disease in Germany and produced rain in drought-stricken Texas.

Their beliefs can tend toward the bizarre. Some consider Freemasonry a “demonic stronghold” tantamount to witchcraft. The Democratic Party, one prominent member believes, is controlled by Jezebel and three lesser demons. Some prophets even claim to have seen demons at public meetings. They’ve taken biblical literalism to an extreme. In Texas, they engage in elaborate ceremonies involving branding irons, plumb lines and stakes inscribed with biblical passages driven into the earth of every Texas county.

If they simply professed unusual beliefs, movement leaders wouldn’t be remarkable. But what makes the New Apostolic Reformation movement so potent is its growing fascination with infiltrating politics and government. The new prophets and apostles believe Christians—certain Christians—are destined to not just take “dominion” over government, but stealthily climb to the commanding heights of what they term the “Seven Mountains” of society, including the media and the arts and entertainment world. They believe they’re intended to lord over it all. As a first step, they’re leading an “army of God” to commandeer civilian government.

In Rick Perry, they may have found their vessel. And the interest appears to be mutual.

Perry is clearly in bed with AFA (designated a hate group by the Southern Law and Poverty Center), NAR, the Family Research Council and Focus on the Family. Perry's "The Response" is endorsed almost solely by whacked out extremist groups, dominionists and crazy people. This is not a on time deal. The Response is indeed a result of Perry's longstanding relationship with some truly disturbing religious extremists.

 

[tessaesque]

I don't think it's much of a stretch to think that if someone partners up with a religious organization to put on a religious event... that the religious group is representative of that person's religious beliefs :shrug:

The AFA being representative of his views is my opinion. Unless he comes out an specifies "this is what I believe, this is what I don't" it's hard to know exactly. I can only make a guess based on his actions. I typically don't team up with people (even for one event) that I disagree with.

I think your argument would be stronger if he initiated this rally and the AFA was one of many donors (or weren't the main donors). That's not the case though. They are sponsoring it, it's a partnership.

Even if he doesn't share their views though, his partnering with the AFA to violate the constitution is enough of a problem for me to not vote for him.

And how exactly is that happening?

 

[tessaesque]

The double-standard bias is strong within this thread. I'll concede the argument. No point in applying logic, it seems.