Pentagon Chief Asks For Navy Secretary’s Reignation

[jpn]

Hey, I found something really cool called "Google."

Look at what I found on it in about 30 seconds:
Navy's Top SEAL Can Revoke Tridents. Here's Why He's Sending Gallagher to a Board Instead | Military.com

Navy regulations require officers to appear before boards if leaders feel they no longer warrant special devices. Enlisted SEALs can have their tridents directly revoked by a commanding officer.

At least you sounded like you knew what you were talking about...

 

[HumblePi]

Show us the regulation that supports this action.

Awards and badges can be revoked for misconduct, it's right in the Army regulations,

Army Regulation 600-8-22 (Military Awards)

https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/ARN18147_R600_8_22_admin2_FINAL.pdf

It is also the right of the US Navy to rescind honors or badges.

SECNAV M-1650.1

https://www.secnav.navy.mil/doni/SECNAV%20Manuals1/1650.1.pdf

(2) In the event such conduct is discovered after an award is approved but before it is presented to the awardee, the award may be revoked by the official who approved it.

(3) CNO and CMC are delegated authority by reference (a) to revoke or rescind any CE&S award, or CAR, if it is later determined the criteria for the award had not been met, or the individual’s service after the fact had not been honorable.

(4) SECNAV retains all authority to revoke a PMD, PH, or unit decoration once the award has been presented.

(5) After presentation, if an awardee’s honorable service is questioned or if additional facts are discovered that call into question the appropriateness of the original approval of the award, forward the entire case and all supporting documentation to SECNAV, via the chain of command, for reconsideration.

(6) In all cases, SECNAV retains the authority to revoke or downgrade any award after approval or presentation if, in the judgment of the Secretary, the individual or unit did not merit the award, or if it is otherwise in the best interests of the Navy.

 

[poweRob]

GOP... attacking honorable troops and pardoning war criminals.

:elephantf

 

[apdst]

Your awards and badges can be revoked for misconduct

Wow, that was hard.

I said:

He can still wear it. He earned it. That's the rule.

The only reason he couldn't wear it is if he was 1) sent to the brig upon conviction, or 2) dishonorably discharged. Gallagher was neither.

Your source says:

Revocations typically can be triggered by a dismissal from service, dishonorable discharge or conviction by courts martial based on such actions as desertion in time of war or cowardice.

Your source also says:

The regulation does not allow a commander to indiscriminately and retroactively strip all of a soldier's medals. But if the commander learns a soldier acted criminally, or even unprofessionally, during the same period of time he or she performed actions meriting an award, the soldier could lose his decoration.

And:

Approval authorities can "revoke, or recommend the revocation, of an award that would not have been originally approved if subsequent facts had been known at the time of the original approval," HRC stated in its memo.

None of which applies to Gallagher.

 

[apdst]

Awards and badges can be revoked for misconduct, it's right in the Army regulations,

Army Regulation 600-8-22 (Military Awards)

https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/ARN18147_R600_8_22_admin2_FINAL.pdf

It is also the right of the US Navy to rescind honors or badges.

SECNAV M-1650.1

https://www.secnav.navy.mil/doni/SECNAV%20Manuals1/1650.1.pdf

(2) In the event such conduct is discovered after an award is approved but before it is presented to the awardee, the award may be revoked by the official who approved it.

(3) CNO and CMC are delegated authority by reference (a) to revoke or rescind any CE&S award, or CAR, if it is later determined the criteria for the award had not been met, or the individual’s service after the fact had not been honorable.

(4) SECNAV retains all authority to revoke a PMD, PH, or unit decoration once the award has been presented.

(5) After presentation, if an awardee’s honorable service is questioned or if additional facts are discovered that call into question the appropriateness of the original approval of the award, forward the entire case and all supporting documentation to SECNAV, via the chain of command, for reconsideration.

(6) In all cases, SECNAV retains the authority to revoke or downgrade any award after approval or presentation if, in the judgment of the Secretary, the individual or unit did not merit the award, or if it is otherwise in the best interests of the Navy.

You didn't put enough thought into this. Did you?

 

[HumblePi]

GOP... attacking honorable troops and pardoning war criminals.

:elephantf

I think we have to understand that this is a diversion on Trump's part. He doesn't give a damn about Gallagher, he wants chaos by pardoning him and creating a fight with the U.S. Navy over their own regulations. His 'noise' is just distractions on his part hoping we'll all plug our ears and ignore the impeachment proceedings and all the other news that implicates people like Devin Nunes, Giuliani, Pompeo and Mulvaney.

There will be much, much more Trump-created noise leading up to the filing of impeachment documents.

 

[jpn]

None of which applies to Gallagher.

Seems like this did, from your quotes: "But if the commander learns a soldier acted criminally, or even unprofessionally, during the same period of time he or she performed actions meriting an award, the soldier could lose his decoration."
But hey, that's just me. Believe whatever makes you comfortable. After all, that's what being "very conservative" is all about, right?

 

[HumblePi]

You didn't put enough thought into this. Did you?

You can at least try to act like a man of some principles and admit when you're wrong.

 

[apdst]

Seems like this did, from your quotes: "But if the commander learns a soldier acted criminally, or even unprofessionally, during the same period of time he or she performed actions meriting an award, the soldier could lose his decoration."
But hey, that's just me. Believe whatever makes you comfortable. After all, that's what being "very conservative" is all about, right?

Gallagher wasn't in BUDS when all this went down...lol

 

[apdst]

You can at least try to act like a man of some principles and admit when you're wrong.

I'm not wrong. The regulation you posted proves me right.

 

[HumblePi]

I'm not wrong. The regulation you posted proves me right.

We can all read and we can all understand the words we read. You're dead wrong, 100%

 

[apdst]

We can all read and we can all understand the words we read. You're dead wrong, 100%

The regulation proves me right. You can't **** with me. Read my sig. :lamo

 

[JANFU]

appears to be 3 versions on this

Trump

Sec Def

Spencer

 

[jpn]

The regulation proves me right. You can't **** with me. Read my sig. :lamo

I wouldn't try to get a job as a military lawyer anytime soon. Just sayin'.

 

[HumblePi]

The regulation proves me right. You can't **** with me. Read my sig. :lamo

I can **** with anyone that's not being honest or truthful, that's my right.

 

[apdst]

I can **** with anyone that's not being honest or truthful, that's my right.

It's my right to expose your lies.

 

[apdst]

I wouldn't try to get a job as a military lawyer anytime soon. Just sayin'.

Except, I'm right. You et. al proved that.

 

[Deuce]

Sure he should. He earned it.

And then sullied its honor, hence my question.

Would you want a dishonorable person wearing one of the same emblems you earned honorably?

 

[apdst]

And then sullied its honor, hence my question.

Would you want a dishonorable person wearing one of the same emblems you earned honorably?

Gallagher didn't do anything dishonorable.

 

[j brown's body]

This is the coveted Trident pin that the Navy wants to strip from Edward Gallagher. If you look at it closely there are four symbols that make up this insignia - a golden eagle, a flintlock- style pistol, a US Navy anchor and a trident. I heard a retired Navy Admiral describe exactly what the 'Navy SEAL Trident' pin means to a Navy SEAL. It means that these men are the Elite Fighting Force for the US Navy. In the military you are expressly forbidden from wearing anything you did not earn. Legitimately owning a Trident means you’ve passed the US Military’s toughest training and are among the world’s most elite fighters.

I have one of those. It belonged to my father, a frogman in the Pacific during WWII. I found it in a box of his stuff after he died. He never spoke of it.

 

[j brown's body]

Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper asked for the resignation of Navy Secretary Richard V. Spencer on Sunday after learning that Spencer had privately proposed to White House officials that if they did not interfere with military justice proceedings against Navy SEAL Edward Gallagher, who was accused of war crimes in Iraq, then Spencer would ensure that Gallagher was able to retire with his Trident pin.

Pentagon chief asks for Navy secretary’s resignation amid controversy over Navy SEAL accused of war crimes


This is not what I expected’ developing story.......




.....no quid pro quo.........

This reminds me of Comey getting fired for his mistreatment of Clinton. Remember that one?

 

[Rexedgar]

I have one of those. It belonged to my father, a frogman in the Pacific during WWII. I found it in a box of his stuff after he died. He never spoke of it.

Established on 16 October 1970,[1] the Special Warfare insignia was initially issued in two grades, gold for officers and silver for enlisted. In 1978 the Silver SEAL insignia was abolished after which the Special Warfare insignia was issued thereafter. The SEAL insignia is therefore unusual in the Navy being as it is one of the very few breast insignia issued identically for both officers and enlisted personnel. This is partly due to the combined training both officers and enlisted receive, side by side, when involved in BUD/S training.— from the link

Special Warfare insignia - Wikipedia

 

[SLC]

Your awards and badges can be revoked for misconduct

Wow, that was hard.

Gallagher is not guilty of misconduct.

 

[JustHanging]

Obey the orders he swore to obey, or GTFO are his only two options.

"Just following orders" was not an acceptable excuse in the 1940s, and it shouldn't be today.

Obviously, he should have never been selected for the post, since he wasn't interested in doing his job.

Yeah, I'm sure that's how some people would have viewed it.

 

[SLC]

I have one of those. It belonged to my father, a frogman in the Pacific during WWII. I found it in a box of his stuff after he died. He never spoke of it.

Its not from WWII it was started in 1970

Established on 16 October 1970,[1] the Special Warfare insignia was initially issued in two grades, gold for officers and silver for enlisted. In 1978 the Silver SEAL insignia was abolished after which the Special Warfare insignia was issued thereafter. The SEAL insignia is therefore unusual in the Navy being as it is one of the very few breast insignia issued identically for both officers and enlisted personnel. This is partly due to the combined training both officers and enlisted receive, side by side, when involved in BUD/S training.

The Special Warfare insignia consists of a golden eagle clutching a U.S. Navy anchor, trident, and flintlock style pistol. The decoration is considered a successor to the obsolete Underwater Demolition Insignia.

The general design was likely derived from the British Combined Operations badge.