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:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:Who made you the judge of what is and is not "valid free expression"?
LOL!
I'd laugh if I wasn't busy vomiting. You'll spend several years throwing every vile insult you can think of at Obama, going as far as to accuse him of lying about his religion and place of birth. You'll vote into office a guy whose insults everyone and everything, all of the time. Then you turn around and whine about how his VP was so horribly damaged by this:
“We, sir — we — are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us,” he said. He added that he hoped “this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and to work on behalf of all of us. All of us.”
That sedate statement has conservatives self-righteously proclaiming the need for respect?
Disgusting.
^ Said the Trump supporter.
Arrogant dismissiveness like this is why you people LOST the election and will continue to lose.
You just indirectly called me a "deplorable".
Performance of Chicago 'Hamilton' disrupted - Chicago Tribune
Actions beget actions. Cant say I'm surprised.
Whats a little free speech? Whats a little minor inconvenience in the name of protesting. Sure...it was annoying. Yes...it ruined the performance for many. But its not like the guy walked onto a highway and blocked traffic.
They had the right to express their views, but it was in appropriate for the occasion.
i am going to disagree with you here, and i am going to disagree as i have with others over the word "right".
to have a right means to have the ability to do without being hindered.
no one has an exercisable right when theater is not their property.
while someone may say something crude /rude to other people, its not a right, because the property owner can have you removed for bothering other customers.
you are not free to express yourself, because you can have that expression stopped by the law.
The theater didn't do anything about it.
Recently several articles were posted regarding attendance at a showing of "Hamilton" by VP-Elect Michael Pence, where Mr. Pence was booed by some members of the audience, and then addressed at the end of the play by a representative of the cast from the stage about their concerns. Mr. Pence waited politely for the presentation to complete, then left.
Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize
Hamilton cast address Mike Pence after he is booed by audience | Daily Mail Online Hamilton cast address Mike Pence after he is booed by audience.
Some members indicate they were offended by this situation, and/or feel an apology is necessary. Others ague justified action, in response to the current social situation.
IMO the actions of members of the audience were rude, crude, and socially unacceptable; while the action of the cast was opportunistically self-serving...but both actions were well-within the bounds of acceptable Freedom of Expression.
While it is true, as some argue, that a person goes to a play to relax from the worries of the day, hoping to immerse themselves in the fantasy of the entertainment; public figures are seldom granted such luxury. This is both advantage and a bane of fame.
Public figures are seldom accessible, and many people will take advantage of any opportunity to adore or revile, or as in this example...plead their case because a chance is there to be heard.
That is exactly what free expression is, seeking a chance to be heard whether the listener's agree with the message or not.
So I vote YES, it is a valid example of Free Expression. What say you?
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Perhaps one day, but I won't count on it, people in the entertainment business will come to the realization that most of us don't give a flying **** what they think about social and political issues and they're damn lucky that they've got an audience willing to buy what they're selling and they shouldn't jeopardize that relationship.
As a wise actor said: “If people are coming to see Hamilton to leave their politics behind, you came to the wrong show!”
Recently several articles were posted regarding attendance at a showing of "Hamilton" by VP-Elect Michael Pence, where Mr. Pence was booed by some members of the audience, and then addressed at the end of the play by a representative of the cast from the stage about their concerns. Mr. Pence waited politely for the presentation to complete, then left.
Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize
Hamilton cast address Mike Pence after he is booed by audience | Daily Mail Online Hamilton cast address Mike Pence after he is booed by audience.
Some members indicate they were offended by this situation, and/or feel an apology is necessary. Others ague justified action, in response to the current social situation.
IMO the actions of members of the audience were rude, crude, and socially unacceptable; while the action of the cast was opportunistically self-serving...but both actions were well-within the bounds of acceptable Freedom of Expression.
While it is true, as some argue, that a person goes to a play to relax from the worries of the day, hoping to immerse themselves in the fantasy of the entertainment; public figures are seldom granted such luxury. This is both advantage and a bane of fame.
Public figures are seldom accessible, and many people will take advantage of any opportunity to adore or revile, or as in this example...plead their case because a chance is there to be heard.
That is exactly what free expression is, seeking a chance to be heard whether the listener's agree with the message or not.
So I vote YES, it is a valid example of Free Expression. What say you?
We may have to agree to disagree on this because I'm not certain about what you're saying.thats true, but i am only pointing out where people keep claiming they had a right.
being on property people don't own [theater] does not allow a right of free of expression towards other people, because the property owner can tell people to leave or call the law and use force.
so no right exist.
Wrong. People go to the theatre to be entertained and to get away from daily life, politics and the crap they hear about on a regular basis.
We may have to agree to disagree on this because I'm not certain about what you're saying.eace
i am saying..... when you are on property like this theater you do not have exercisable rights, because the property owner can stop what you are doing at any time the property owner chooses.
since what you want to exercise can be stopped by the property owner, no right exist.
Not wrong. To repeat: “If people are coming to see Hamilton to leave their politics behind, you came to the wrong show!”
The play itself is about politics, social and civil issues and diversity - and at the end of every show the actors come out on stage and talk about issues that matter to them. Which includes politics, getting people out to vote, discussing charities and concerns meaningful to the cast and the production crew.
If you want a safe space, stay home.
I get it, I'm just not certain that you are correct.
Your condescension is noted - without it, liberals have virtually nothing.
Perhaps you go to the theatre to have your political emotions validated - I and many others don't.
if you would have a right to free expression in the theater towards other people, then you would also have a right to
pack a firearm
protest
hold prayer
and we know people dont have a right to do those things.
Recently several articles were posted regarding attendance at a showing of "Hamilton" by VP-Elect Michael Pence, where Mr. Pence was booed by some members of the audience, and then addressed at the end of the play by a representative of the cast from the stage about their concerns. Mr. Pence waited politely for the presentation to complete, then left.
Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize Trump asks 'Hamilton' cast who 'harassed' Mike Pence to apologize
Hamilton cast address Mike Pence after he is booed by audience | Daily Mail Online Hamilton cast address Mike Pence after he is booed by audience.
Some members indicate they were offended by this situation, and/or feel an apology is necessary. Others ague justified action, in response to the current social situation.
IMO the actions of members of the audience were rude, crude, and socially unacceptable; while the action of the cast was opportunistically self-serving...but both actions were well-within the bounds of acceptable Freedom of Expression.
While it is true, as some argue, that a person goes to a play to relax from the worries of the day, hoping to immerse themselves in the fantasy of the entertainment; public figures are seldom granted such luxury. This is both advantage and a bane of fame.
Public figures are seldom accessible, and many people will take advantage of any opportunity to adore or revile, or as in this example...plead their case because a chance is there to be heard.
That is exactly what free expression is, seeking a chance to be heard whether the listener's agree with the message or not.
So I vote YES, it is a valid example of Free Expression. What say you?
The right had implied consent when the theater did nothing.
that would be true, it if was directed at the performance, but a person paying money to go see a performance does have a right, [right of property] to see that performance without being harassed.
while others pay money to see the performance, they didn't pay to get the right to harass other people
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