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Pelosi Warns of ‘New Stage’ of Inquiry if Trump Blocks Whistle-Blower Complaint

The complaint itself MUST be given to the intelligence committee under the law, and the WH is refusing to comply with the law, what part of that are you not grasping?

Furthermore, the courts have ruled that executive privilege doesn't cover conduct the congress might deem impeachable.

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In a Sept. 17 letter to Schiff, Maguire’s general counsel, Jason Klitenic, said the whistleblower complaint was determined not to be an “urgent concern.”

The law did not require the director of national intelligence to forward it to Congress because it involved “conduct by someone outside the Intelligence Community and did not relate to any ‘intelligence activity within the responsibility and authority of the DNI,’ ” he claimed.

Klitenic also said the complaint involved “confidential and potentially privileged communications.” Disclosure would violate the president’s authority to control classified information and the whistleblower and inspector general were barred from sending the information directly to Congress, he said.

Can he do that?
The Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act has no provision for what should happen if the inspector general determines something is of urgent concern but the director of national intelligence refuses to forward it to Congress. The scenario has never come up before.

But some legal experts say that, because the law doesn’t directly address this issue, it means the inspector general has the final say.

“The DNI cannot countermand the inspector general’s determination,” Jesselyn Radack, a national security lawyer known for her defense of whistleblowers, told The Post.

Here, though, there’s an additional complication: The director of national intelligence also consulted the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel

Robert Litt, former general counsel to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, explained in a piece published by Lawfare: “[Office of Legal Counsel] opinions are considered to be binding and authoritative interpretations of law within the executive branch. So if OLC in fact formally opined that this complaint was not an ‘urgent concern’ as defined in the statute, the DNI could take the position that the IG must follow that interpretation.”


What about the Trump administration?
Thus far, The Post reports, the White House has stopped short of asserting privilege over the complaint, though Klitenic suggested in his letter that it would try to prevent Maguire from complying with committee subpoenas.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...what-law-says/
and
While the inspector general concluded that this allegation fell within the whistleblower law, the Justice Department has a good faith basis to reject his interpretation. That law is intended to address mismanagement, waste, abuse or a danger to public safety by intelligence officials. The president is the ultimate intelligence authority, and there is little support to argue that a discussion between world leaders should be viewed as a subject of this law. After all, any intelligence official could claim that a president undermined national interests in discussions with another world leader. Trump has been denounced, perhaps correctly, for disclosing classified information to foreign figures, but he has total authority to declassify information for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all.


Even if the law is viewed as covering these allegations, there would be a massive potential court fight over executive privilege. A conversation between two presidents is the ultimate example of a privileged communication. Indeed, the first assertion of executive privilege by George Washington concerned foreign relations communications underlying the Jay Treaty. Executive privilege, however, is not absolute. Indeed, in Richard Nixon versus United States, the Supreme Court rejected the argument of the president after recognizing the privilege.
Ukraine could badly damage both Donald Trump and the Democrats | TheHill

So ... in case you missed it ... the intel whistleblower law was not applicable.

If the guy was intel and wanted to blow the whistle on someone outside intel he'd have to just go to Congress or the media.
Hiding behind a law that didn't apply was what may get him in trouble for disclosing privileged information ... assuming any of it's true.
Did you hear that he himself may not even be the one who heard anything?

As for Congress, they have to actually begin impeachment in order to pierce executive privilege. Until then, they can't deem anything anything.
 
Possibly a leaker. Yet to be confirmed it's a whistle blower. Testimony this week. We'll see.

The Law itself, the DNI, the DOJ, and what's quoted in #426 says he's not.
 
Would you like some cheese with that whine ?

What I provided was a factual statement which has been ignored via a question that has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject being debated.

debate - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com

snippets

Another word for formally discuss is debate. Cheese lovers often debate the merits of gorgonzola, triple creme brie, and gouda. Of course, they need to accompany their arguments with a taste test!

debate - a discussion in which reasons are advanced for and against some proposition or proposal.

Roseann:)
 
I agree that impeachment can never happen as long as a Mitch McConnell is protecting Trump.

So, you don't like the checks and balances in Our System of Government?

Roseann:)
 
When does the never ending inquiry end and the actual Impeachment begin with a vote to Impeach Trump using the check and balance of both The House and The Senate?

Roseann:)

Soon:

President Trump: "It's very important to talk about corruption. If you don't talk about corruption, why would you give money to a country that you think is corrupt?...It's very important that on occasion you speak to somebody about corruption."

CSPAN on Twitter: "President Trump: "It's very important to talk about corruption. If you don't talk about corruption, why would you give money to a country that you think is corrupt?...It's very important that on occasion you speak to somebody about corruption."… https://t.co/056ZQs9lQf"

Now, it's time to start talking about spineless Republicans and whether or not they still believe in the Rule of Law.
 
Oh yeah, the same people who supported the Iraq war, who now pretend they were always on the anti-war side of the issue.

There are a lot of people in my social circle, who went totally ape ****. It's been eye opening to see people I used to think were decent humans, sound like absolute nutcases, and become completely unhinged and beyond any reason.

That's one thing Trump did as a service to us. He took people who were thought we knew, and showed us who they really are under the mask.

Man, yeah. I couldn't agree more. Has it made me look at them differently? You betcha. People in my family - people that I love, people that I have known my entire life are now embracing child abuse, with the excuse of, "Well if their parents didn't break the law to get them here and they wouldn't be in cages to start with." Setting aside the whole legal aspect of asylum seeking, these people that I love - my family - are OK with children being in cages, as long as the family is to blame, and not them. I had one cousin (I love her dearly) told me once, regarding the ACA, that she didn't qualify for it, so nobody should be able to have it. I said, "So you are ok with 20 million people losing insurance just because you can't have it??" She said yes. I was gobsmacked. I told her she was very selfish, and didn't talk to her for quite some time. I see her on Facebook, but I dunno - I look at her differently now. How somebody can be that selfish is just beyond my comprehension.
 
Man, yeah. I couldn't agree more. Has it made me look at them differently? You betcha. People in my family - people that I love, people that I have known my entire life are now embracing child abuse, with the excuse of, "Well if their parents didn't break the law to get them here and they wouldn't be in cages to start with." Setting aside the whole legal aspect of asylum seeking, these people that I love - my family - are OK with children being in cages, as long as the family is to blame, and not them. I had one cousin (I love her dearly) told me once, regarding the ACA, that she didn't qualify for it, so nobody should be able to have it. I said, "So you are ok with 20 million people losing insurance just because you can't have it??" She said yes. I was gobsmacked. I told her she was very selfish, and didn't talk to her for quite some time. I see her on Facebook, but I dunno - I look at her differently now. How somebody can be that selfish is just beyond my comprehension.

Probably the worst part of the Trump administration is finding out how many of your friends and family weren't as good and decent as you thought they were.
 
So, you don't like the checks and balances in Our System of Government?

Roseann:)

I actually love them. But they do not stop a corrupt person like Mitch from protecting a corrupt person like Donald. That's what the voters are for (fixing mistakes).

And sometimes it takes years to correct a problem and get the crooks out of office.
 
Nope.
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Nope.


So ... in case you missed it ... the intel whistleblower law was not applicable.

If the guy was intel and wanted to blow the whistle on someone outside intel he'd have to just go to Congress or the media.
Hiding behind a law that didn't apply was what may get him in trouble for disclosing privileged information ... assuming any of it's true.

Can you cite your authority for that. Appears to be baseless nonsense to me. The whistleblower reported wrongdoing through the IC IG exactly as the law requires him to do. How can you say he's risked prosecution or firing for in good faith complying with the law, and the Trump-appointed IC IG looking at his complaint and agreeing with the whistleblower?

And on what basis is the APPROPRIATE course of action ignoring the law and going directly to Congress, or leaking it to the media?

Is this opposite day?

Did you hear that he himself may not even be the one who heard anything?

As for Congress, they have to actually begin impeachment in order to pierce executive privilege. Until then, they can't deem anything anything.

That's false as stated. The courts AFAIK have never ruled executive privilege claims are boundless, endless, outside a formal impeachment inquiry. If you think otherwise, show your work. See here for example: Primer on Executive Privilege and the Executive Branch Approach to Congressional Oversight - Lawfare

Second, the Department of Justice’s longstanding position has been that the privilege cannot be asserted to conceal evidence of wrongdoing or conduct by executive officers that is criminal or unlawful. President Reagan himself followed this policy, declining to assert executive privilege in the Iran/Contra investigations, even making excerpts of his personal diary available to congressional investigators. So the Department must evaluate whether the requested information reveals wrongdoing or criminality by executive branch officials that would preclude an assertion of executive privilege.
 
Can you cite your authority for that.

He can't cite them because he's getting this claptrap from people like Rush Limbaugh, Gregg Jarrett, Sean Hannity, and Jeanine Pirro.
 
Soon:

President Trump: "It's very important to talk about corruption. If you don't talk about corruption, why would you give money to a country that you think is corrupt?...It's very important that on occasion you speak to somebody about corruption."

CSPAN on Twitter: "President Trump: "It's very important to talk about corruption. If you don't talk about corruption, why would you give money to a country that you think is corrupt?...It's very important that on occasion you speak to somebody about corruption."… https://t.co/056ZQs9lQf"

Now, it's time to start talking about spineless Republicans and whether or not they still believe in the Rule of Law.

The Duly Elected Republican Representatives were put into office by American Voters. They are part of the check and balance in Our System of Government.

Why do you think they do not believe in the Rule of Law?

Roseann:)
 
The Duly Elected Republican Representatives were put into office by American Voters. They are part of the check and balance in Our System of Government.

Why do you think they do not believe in the Rule of Law?

Roseann:)

Well, now is the time to ask them if they do or not.
 
Can you cite your authority for that. Appears to be baseless nonsense to me. The whistleblower reported wrongdoing through the IC IG exactly as the law requires him to do. How can you say he's risked prosecution or firing for in good faith complying with the law, and the Trump-appointed IC IG looking at his complaint and agreeing with the whistleblower?

And on what basis is the APPROPRIATE course of action ignoring the law and going directly to Congress, or leaking it to the media?

Is this opposite day?



That's false as stated. The courts AFAIK have never ruled executive privilege claims are boundless, endless, outside a formal impeachment inquiry. If you think otherwise, show your work. See here for example: Primer on Executive Privilege and the Executive Branch Approach to Congressional Oversight - Lawfare

The answer to the first part (sources)was in the comment you replied to. Or maybe you were being to vague to be understandable again.

The second part was based on the SC allowing Congress' penetration of Nixon's claim of executive privilege because of the impeachment process.
 
What I provided was a factual statement which has been ignored via a question that has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject being debated.

debate - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com

snippets

Another word for formally discuss is debate. Cheese lovers often debate the merits of gorgonzola, triple creme brie, and gouda. Of course, they need to accompany their arguments with a taste test!

debate - a discussion in which reasons are advanced for and against some proposition or proposal.

Roseann:)

You got owned darling

take your lumps, and swallow

Are you one of those looking for Obamas Kenyan birth ceridicate?

Never forget, Trump began his political career with a racist Iie. Unless of course you too are looking for that birth certificate.
 
The Duly Elected Republican Representatives were put into office by American Voters. They are part of the check and balance in Our System of Government.

Why do you think they do not believe in the Rule of Law?

Roseann:)

Whaa stop picking on the ***** grabber !!
 
I actually love them. But they do not stop a corrupt person like Mitch from protecting a corrupt person like Donald. That's what the voters are for (fixing mistakes).

And sometimes it takes years to correct a problem and get the crooks out of office.

Me too!

Then we will need to wait for future elections to see what happens and who the voters elect or re-elect and if the smear campaign of Moscow Mitch and Corrupt Trump worked.

I think, not. But, eventually we will both know the answer after those elections happen.

Roseann:)
 
Well, now is the time to ask them if they do or not.

I don't need to ask them, since I think your assessment of at least some of them as being spineless and no longer believers in the Rule of Law... is bogus.

I think there are Democrat/Socialist/Communists...already in office and some of those who are currently seeking office have no respect whatsoever for Our Constitutional Rule of Law and it's checks and balances which have protected us from their power grabs and their desire to alter Our Constitution that has served us so well for years.

When I compare the two parties... Republicans with all their flaws are less likely to alter Our Constitutional Rule of Law and it's checks and balances.

imho Roseann:)
 
Obama didn't ask a leader of a foreign nation and ask them to find dirt on his opponent in the next election.

With regard to Obama, there was a legitimate U.S. government investigation into the Trump campaign. Obama didn't initiate it -- but thanks for the false equivalence!

A job of the president is to "take care" that the law be enforced. I am not aware that a candidate for president is thus immune from being investigated due to alleged law breaking.
 
Wow. So you're seriously going with the problem isn't the President offering to give the Russians the names of all our spies, but on the person who informs Congress - it's not their business to listen in! I did NOT think your Trump defense would go that far into the ditch. Amazing.

I am not aware that the president gave the names of American spies to Russia via Ukraine.

On the larger issue, intelligence agencies work for the USA and are supervised by the president. Their job is not report on his coming and goings.
 
A job of the president is to "take care" that the law be enforced. I am not aware that a candidate for president is thus immune from being investigated due to alleged law breaking.

Then why isn't Trump using the US intelligence agencies to "take care" that the law be enforced instead of his personal lawyer?

This is Trump acting as Trump - not Trump acting as President.
 
While the Trump campaign would indeed want to turn the 2020 election into a discussion of what Joe or Hunter Biden may have done (instead of Trump's malfeasance), there is no evidence that they did anything inappropriate. The Trump tactic is to repeat conspiracy theories that have no substantiation. From what I read, the best Biden detractors have come up with is that Biden saying to his son, "hope you know what you're doing," as some kind of indictment against Biden, which is laughable.

I think Trump should bring back the caravan. There's a caravan of Ukrainians coming to vote illegally because Biden paid them off with money he stole from the RNC. Seems legit.


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That's no a reference anyone can follow. The main subheadings are (a) or (b), etc. then (3) or (4) then caps (A), (B) etc.

Sorry-- but you had already linked to it as well. It states it gets reported for activities within the DNI supervision and authority. The president is not under the authority of the DNI.
Which explains why the DNI went to DOJ for a clarification of the law.
 
It doesn't say that - the section refers to activities, not people.

But your previous comments make clear that you consider the President a dictator, above the law, and that if President does it, it's legal. I don't agree.

Activities by those under the authority of the DNI. The president is not under the authority of the DNI.
 
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