Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

GPS_Flex said:

Not all rape is “forcible rape”. If an eighteen year old knocks up his 15 year old girlfriend, it is rape but not “forcible rape”. I’m sure there are other examples but Ryan isn’t stupid enough to get caught up in this silly liberal fishing expedition when most Americans want to know what our government is going to do to turn the economy around and to reduce the debt.

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Kandahar said:

So if a woman is "forcibly raped," she can have an abortion because, after all, it would be barbaric to make her bear the rapist's child. But if she's drugged, or if she's molested as a child, then she has to bear the rapist's baby because, let's face it, the bitch was probably asking for it. :roll:

Am I missing something here, or is that an accurate summary of the position of those who support this kind of language in a bill?

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Forcible rape is a rape where the anal or vaginal sexual intercourse is deemed to be without the lawful consent of the victim. In a forcible rape, the victim is prevented from resisting the sexual act because of the offender’s use of force or threats of physical violence, under circumstances where the victim reasonably believes that such resistance would not prevent the rape. [Edwards v. Butler, 882 F.2d 160, 163 (5th Cir. 1989)]. Attempts to commit rape are also included as forcible rape.
Forcible rape is different from aggravated rape. The difference is based on the degree of force employed for the unlawful sexual act and the extent to which the victim resists.

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MaggieD said:

Exactly. Forcible rape is a legal term. Look it up.

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MaggieD said:

Exactly. Forcible rape is a legal term. Look it up.

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lpast said:

All romney and ryan do is run their mouths and refuse to explain anything they want to do....this has gone way beyond just ridiculous


GOP vice presidential contender Paul Ryan declined to explain what is meant by "forcible rape" in abortion legislation he co-sponsored with embattled Rep. Todd Akin.Ryan, a Wisconsin congressman, and Akin are among the 227 co-sponsors of the "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act," which would prohibit federal funding of abortions except in instances of "an act of forcible rape or, if a minor, an act of incest."


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Sherman123 said:

The article says there were 227 co-sponsors, including Mr. Ryan. I'm doubtful that you can extrapolate much of his opinion on the matter from that. It is routine for people to sponsor party bills who's language they have not meticulously examined and may not support. Based on what we know of Ryan I'd be surprised if he shared Akin's perspective.

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lpast said:

Dont have too it wasnt the other 226 that was asked to explain his postion it was him and hes the only one running for Vice President.

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Sherman123 said:

I believe he did, didn't he? ""Rape is rape. There is no splitting hairs over rape," Ryan told KDKA-TV in Pittsburgh, when asked twice about the "forcible rape" language and his opposition to abortion. The interview aired this morning." That sounds like his answer to me.

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CriticalThought said:

Actually it is not. The term has absolutely no legal definition. That was one of the biggest issues with this legislation. It would have created a nightmare for every state as they tried to figure out what did and did not fall within that category. It is not defined anywhere.

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Definition for forcible rape:
Web definitions:
In criminal law, rape is an assault by a person involving sexual intercourse with another person without that person's consent. ....
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forcible_rape

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Definition
Forcible rape, as defined in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, is the carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will. Attempts or assaults to commit rape by force or threat of force are also included; however, statutory rape (without force) and other sex offenses are excluded. Forcible Rape - Crime in the United States 2009

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Forcible Rape, by UCR definition, it the carnal knowledge of a person forcibly or against that person’s will, or when a victim is mentally or physically incapable of giving consent. Attempts to commit rape are included in this category. One offense is counted for each victim of rape. Statutory rapes and other types of sexual assaults are not counted as rape under the UCR program. FORCIBLE RAPE

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Forcible rape is a rape where the anal or vaginal sexual intercourse is deemed to be without the lawful consent of the victim. In a forcible rape, the victim is prevented from resisting the sexual act because of the offender’s use of force or threats of physical violence, under circumstances where the victim reasonably believes that such resistance would not prevent the rape. [Edwards v. Butler, 882 F.2d 160, 163 (5th Cir. 1989)]. Attempts to commit rape are also included as forcible rape. Forcible Rape Law & Legal Definition

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Sherman123 said:

I believe he did, didn't he? ""Rape is rape. There is no splitting hairs over rape," Ryan told KDKA-TV in Pittsburgh, when asked twice about the "forcible rape" language and his opposition to abortion. The interview aired this morning." That sounds like his answer to me.

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lpast said:

Reread my first post k and then you may understand what he wasnt responding too...my post wasnt discussing rape or its definition...but that ryan REFUSES to explalin HIS postion...hope this clears it up for you

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MaggieD said:

If I can help in any other way, please let me know.

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There is no national rape law in the United States, due to the United States v. Morrison ruling that parts of the Violence Against Women Act of 1994 were unconstitutional. Each state has its own laws concerning sexual aggression. Nor is there any national standard in the US for defining and reporting male-male or female-perpetrated rapes. In most states, the definition of rape is broad, with respect to genders and the nature of the acts involved.[SUP][36][/SUP]

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lpast said:

All romney and ryan do is run their mouths and refuse to explain anything they want to do....this has gone way beyond just ridiculous


GOP vice presidential contender Paul Ryan declined to explain what is meant by "forcible rape" in abortion legislation he co-sponsored with embattled Rep. Todd Akin.Ryan, a Wisconsin congressman, and Akin are among the 227 co-sponsors of the "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act," which would prohibit federal funding of abortions except in instances of "an act of forcible rape or, if a minor, an act of incest."


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ttwtt78640 said:

The purpose of the bill is to define, as narrowly as possible, when tax money can be used to fund an abortion. It is my understanding that no federal abortion funding is legal now, so adding any should be seen as progress by the "pro-choice" crowd. If the situation resulting in pregnancy is such that no criminal charges were brought then the act was not "criminal", so the abortion cost should not be the responsibility of the (federal) gov't. Many wish to have a "loophole" that allows federal abortion funding for all abortions simply by saying that the pregnacy was "not desired", thus making abortion into an "after the fact" gov't funded contraception option.

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None of the funds appropriated under this Act shall be expended
for any abortion except when it is made known to the federal
entity or official to which funds are appropriated under this Act
that such procedure is necessary to save the life of the mother or
that the pregnancy is the result of an act of rape or incest.

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Redress said:

Looks to be not true: http://www.nchla.org/datasource/ifactsheets/4FSHydeAm22a.08.pdf

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ttwtt78640 said:

If the situation resulting in pregnancy is such that no criminal charges were brought then the act was not "criminal", so the abortion cost should not be the responsibility of the (federal) gov't.

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ttwtt78640 said:

So now actual criminal charges of rape or incest are needed to make the abortion gov't funded?

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