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Pat Robertson Threads

Re: Will you condemn this?

GunsGodGlory said:
Pat Robertson has a radio show on which he states his personal opinion. Muslim extremists high jack a religion and use it to preach murder. Muslims can either condemn this or admit that they practice a religion that lends itself well to terrorism.
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No way. Robertson is a Xian preacher, who uses TV and radio to preach murder. OBL and others are muslim preachers, who use mosques and TV to preach murder. What's the difference? Why one standard (he can say what he wants) for Xians (I should say US Xians) and another for muslims (send them back in the ME, or even kill them all or transform their country in a prking lot)?

Where's the logic? If you want to eradicate hatred, it should be hatred from both sides.

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Summary: It's OK to kill Chavez, not to kill Bush. The difference is that you support Bush, not Chavez, and that you support crazy religious preachers who call for murder in the name of their beliefs (non-religious beliefs, but they use religion to make the message go through).

YOU are the terrorist sympathiser. I hate all those who promote hatred and killings, while you're selective.

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Re: Will you condemn this?

Of course, he has the right to say it. But condemnations should be issued for such hate speech.

What I see on this board (mainly from the right) is merely acceptation of what he said.

Double standards, anyone?

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Of course, he has the right to say it. But condemnations should be issued for such hate speech.

What I see on this board (mainly from the right, at the notable exception of cnredd and gordontravels, but that was expected) is merely acceptation of what he said.

Double standards, anyone?

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PS: Mods, please delete the previous msg.. Why that 10 minutes delay for editing?
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Well, at least, some GOP senators condemn Robertson's hate speech..

U.S. Senators Call Robertson's Incendiary Comments on Chavez Irresponsible

Aug. 23 (Bloomberg) '' U.S. Senators Norm Coleman and Mel Martinez called Robertson's statements ``irresponsible'' and ``incredibly stupid.''
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`It was an incredibly stupid statement and has no reflection on reality,'' Coleman, the chairman of the Senate's Foreign Relations subcommittee on the western Hemisphere, told reporters while on a trip to Rio de Janeiro.
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The whole article is here.

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Judge Napolitano(FoxNews) just pulled something out which would be totally hysterical to see...

According to Tony Blair's push for legislation on "hate speech", Robertson would/could be arrested for what he said in the USA if he visited jolly 'ole England.:lol:
 
cnredd said:
According to Tony Blair's push for legislation on "hate speech", Robertson would/could be arrested for what he said in the USA if he visited jolly 'ole England.:lol:
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I'll pitch in $20 for a plane ticket.
 
There are crazy fundamentalist Christians. There are also crazy fundamentalist Muslims and Jews.

Well... duh. They're all as bad/stupid as each other.
 
Oh, great. Another stupid comment from Protestant Fundie-land.

OK, does Robertson have the right to say what he did? Yes. Anyone who says otherwise is against free speech.

Was it appropriate? Absolutely NOT!

Do I think Chavez is a horrible person? Yes, he is. However, for Robertson to advocate terrorism against President Chavez is the moral equivalent of what extremist Muslims are trying to do against the United States and other freedom loving people. If OBL is trying to hijack Islam with terrorism and terroristic threats, isn't that exactly what the likes of Robertson is doing?

Being Catholic, I sometimes have difficulty understanding Protestants, especially sects of the fundamentalist, sola scriptura variety. However, what part of "Thou shalt not murder" does this advocate (Robertson) of sola scripture NOT understand?
 

Actually, according to this article, it was Robertson with Jerry Fallwell, NOT Ralph Reed. Reed was too busy engineering the Republican Revolution that swept to power in Georgia in 2002 at that time.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050823/en_afp/usvenezuelareligion_050823221113
 
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Where did Pat Robertson call for taking the law into one’s own hands according to their “own Ideas” of justice, or say such people should be supported?

“Again we say that when someone feels that he is unjustly treated, and no one is repulsing or stopping the injustice inflicted on him, he personally seeks ways and means for lifting that justice. Of course, not everyone is capable of finding the best way for lifting the injustice inflicted on him. People resort to what they think is the best way according to their own ideas, and they are not all capable of reaching out for what is beyond what is available to arrive to the best idea or means.
To find the best way, after having found their way to God and His rights, those who are inflicted by injustice need not to be isolated from their natural milieu, or be ignored deliberately, or as a result of mis-appreciation, by the officials in this milieu. They should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings.” (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)

Saddam was not talking about Palestinians, as one poster suggested in other topic, because they are nether isolated or mis-appreciated by the milieu as the PLO Charter the Arab League support proves, he was talking about Al Quacka (condemned by the Arab League) and their Taliban surroundings.

If I heard Hugo Chavez leading a chant of “Death to America,” or found out that he sponsors international terrorism, I would agree that he needs to be “taken out” at the hands of a GOVERNMENT (preferably Venezuelan).

http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?content=home
 


Serves him right, glad to hear it may backfire mightly on Pat Robertson. Now, the topping on the cake would be for Chavez to issue an assassination hit on Pat Robertson, that would be so rich!

Would actually be doing us all a great justice too!
 
Televangelist Calls for Chavez' Death
Aug 22 11:06 PM US/Eastern


VIRGINIA BEACH, Va.

Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson called on Monday for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, calling him a "terrific danger" to the United States.

Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition of America and a former presidential candidate, said on "The 700 Club" it was the United States' duty to stop Chavez from making Venezuela a "launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism."

Chavez has emerged as one of the most outspoken critics of President Bush, accusing the United States of conspiring to topple his government and possibly backing plots to assassinate him. U.S. officials have called the accusations ridiculous.

"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson said. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."
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Pat sees himself as wit, I see him as being half correct. Maybe we can get the half wit to call for Bush's resignation. then he would still be a halfwit, but
a politically correct half wit. Pat obviously has Alzheimers or some other degenerating disease.
Tis true Assasination is cheaper than war. How come Bush did not just assasinate Sadam?
 
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KidRocks said:
Serves him right, glad to hear it may backfire mightly on Pat Robertson. Now, the topping on the cake would be for Chavez to issue an assassination hit on Pat Robertson, that would be so rich!

Would actually be doing us all a great justice too!
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But you don't hate him, right?
 
Ticomaya said:
But you don't hate him, right?
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No more than you love those that want all muslims nuked, or the washington post building bombed (or was that the NYT?).

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epr64 said:
No more than you love those that want all muslims nuked, or the washington post building bombed (or was that the NYT?).

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Good answer. It was the NY Times building.
 
Definitely right.


Right on target. One less country where he could go for tourism. As far as business is concerned, he wasn't very welcome since quite a time.. :lol:


Good ole Pat. He REALLY knows how to make friends, doesn't he?

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epr64 said:
No more than you love those that want all muslims nuked, or the washington post building bombed (or was that the NYT?).

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I say you're wrong, because I've said nothing about wanting all muslims nuked, nor do I want all muslims nuked, or the Grey Lady bombed.

But KR thinks it would be swell if Robertson was killed. Sounds like hate to me.
 
Ticomaya said:
I say you're wrong, because I've said nothing about wanting all muslims nuked, nor do I want all muslims nuked, or the Grey Lady bombed.

But KR thinks it would be swell if Robertson was killed. Sounds like hate to me.
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Not really, I don't hate Pat Robertson at all, in fact I find him and all this amusing. Yes, I would laugh my head off if Chavez put Robertson on his hit list. Wouldn't miss Pat at all! :lol:
 
Re: Will you condemn this?

epr64 said:
We see a lot of message from the right on this board asking the muslims to condemn the extremist preaches.

I would also like to see the right condemn a appeal to murder from a lunatic US Xian..

Disgusting, if you want my opinion.
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I certainly have no problem condemning what Robertson said. He is quite free to say it, but it was not a terribly bright thing for a person in his position to say. What bothers me is this idea some have that Robertson somehow represents Christianity. To the best of my knowledge, Robertson is nothing more than a TV personality and a failed presidential candidate. He is not in any way a representative of Christianity, or even a particular segment of Christianity. I do not know many Chrisitians who take him (or those of his ilk, like Falwell) seriously. It is very intolerant and close-minded (two things that liberals fear being percieved as like Superman fears kryptonite) to stereotype members of a group based on what one idiot says.

For the record, I have absolutely no problem with assasination myself. As someone already pointed out, it's cheaper than war.
 
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I agree...Personally, he is to be condemned to the highest order...But I don't think good 'ol Pat is the spokesman for all of Christianity or for the Republican Party.

Pat has probably(I don't watch him) said many good things that drift into the night unnoticed by the media, yet when he says something stupid, the media immediately equates him with the Republican Party and Christianity.

If someone needs to point out that "Yes, there are fruitcakes on both sides, and Pat is a good example of one on the right", I will agree.

But to use this as an example of the right's thinking is incredibly shallow.

Look at the picture below...I don't go around asking liberals to defend it because I believe that most, if not very close to all, do not think like this.

Apparently, the right is not afforded that same consideration.

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I think the problem is that Robertson does claim to represent Christianity. He also claims that the 700 Club has some 200 million viewers worldwide (which I find very, very, very difficult to believe). I don’t think that Robertson represents real Christianity at all. However, I do think he represents the far right’s blasphemous version of it. So while he doesn’t represent Christians like me at all, he does represent the “religious right”. The man has eaten dinner at the Whitehouse with President Bush on several occasions and his religious and political views are inline with a significant percentage of congressional and senate Republicans. Robertson and Tom Delay are in lockstep with each other.

You would think that prominent Republicans would have came forward and said that Robertson is a nut whose views are not only contrary to their views on faith and morality, but also are just plain un-American. Yet they don’t. During the nineties, Falwell and Robertson routinely claimed that then President Clinton was a murderer. In fact, they both promoted some right wing filth DVD about “The Clinton Murders”, yet our current president thinks nothing about having them over for dinner at the Whitehouse. I mean, the hypocrisy is unbelievable here.
 
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I definitely agree with you here Redd. If I may add one more thing concerning our muslim counterparts...See Pat Robertson...see Osama Bin Laden...see the correlation? Not all muslims are like Osama, and not all Christians are like Pat Robertson. Its just sad that the crazies like these two become the poster boys of the religion because of the inflammatory nature of what they say.

This may have been a bit off topic, but I thought it was worth bringing up.
 
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And perfectly justifiable indeed...
 
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