Pat Robertson is Awesome!

[kal-el]

Pat Robertson is probably the best thing that could ever happen to atheism.:lol: It's kinda like Howard Dean is to the Republicans. Time and time again, he utterly spouts off totally ubsurd entreatys. It's like he has tourette syndrome or something. He has to learn how to think before he talks.

 

[Comrade Brian]

I agree Robertson is a fun playtoy, almost all his views and "quotes" can be refuted without thinking. And its even easier whn you do something that opposes his views, he'll usually say something stupid. E.g. he's called feminists socialists and male-haters, and homosexuals Nazis.

 

[kal-el]

I agree Robertson is a fun playtoy, almost all his views and "quotes" can be refuted without thinking. And its even easier whn you do something that opposes his views, he'll usually say something stupid. E.g. he's called feminists socialists and male-haters, and homosexuals Nazis.

Haha, true that. I like that Pat Robertson is the self-proclaimed mouthpiece for Christianity, well kind of. I respect him more than other religious figures, as at least he's unchanging or unswayable when it comes to apologetics. Even though he comes off as a total dimwit, at least he uses the same excuses for human anguish that the bible writers did; he asserts that all evil happens because God is angry at someone's sin.

 

[dragonslayer]

Pat Robertson is probably the best thing that could ever happen to atheism.:lol: It's kinda like Howard Dean is to the Republicans. Time and time again, he utterly spouts off totally ubsurd entreatys. It's like he has tourette syndrome or something. He has to learn how to think before he talks.

So true, So true, Every since I heard him call Our president the annointed one, I have come to realize that Poor Pat is all messed up. He is not an example of Christian I would give my children, and I am a Christian and a strong Democrat.

 

[kal-el]

So true, So true, Every since I heard him call Our president the annointed one, I have come to realize that Poor Pat is all messed up. He is not an example of Christian I would give my children, and I am a Christian and a strong Democrat.

Haha, Senor Robertson should set an example for all Christians by giving all of his money that he makes to help feed the poor, and treat others like he expects to be dealt with. There's so many other things he could do, but he should not pray on live tv, as Christ says to pray by yourselves in your room. If he actually did all of this, I just might take Christianity more seriously.

 

[Sir_Alec]

Oh, Pat Robertson is the best! What a great use of the half-truth and the misrepresentation of christianity and god. He is my favorite example of a bad person.

 

[Apostle13]

Haha, Senor Robertson should set an example for all Christians by giving all of his money that he makes to help feed the poor, and treat others like he expects to be dealt with. There's so many other things he could do, but he should not pray on live tv, as Christ says to pray by yourselves in your room. If he actually did all of this, I just might take Christianity more seriously.

There is nothing wrong with prayer in any setting group or singular... So Pat stands firm on his beliefs... Do not you?

Every since I heard him call Our president the annointed one, I have come to realize that Poor Pat is all messed up.

Do you even know the actual definition of "anointed"... I am compelled to ask since you are not rightly able to spell it. The bible tells us "It is God that brings Kings to power and to naught". So if Pat was wrong then you must believe the bible is also..?
Have y'all met the children? http://www.cbnworld.com/indexFrameset.asp?home=true

Pat Robertson is probably the best thing that could ever happen to atheism. It's kinda like Howard Dean is to the Republicans.

Interesting you should cast them in the same light cause I found this on Pat Robertson's CBN News website... http://www.cbn.com/vod/index.aspx?s=/vod/HowardDeanIntv_051006

 

[Comrade Brian]

Oh fuc k, I better scram out of this country.

 

[Gardener]

There is nothing wrong with prayer in any setting group or singular... So Pat stands firm on his beliefs... Do not you?
/QUOTE]



Let's see here -- Since Jesus says to pray privately, to stand in such firm oppositon to Jesus is then a good thing, and from the Christian standpoint there is nothing wrong with such strong opposition? Ironies certainly abound, don't they?


I don't know whether Kal-el is Christian or not, but if he isn't, this is certainly not the first instance I have noticed where it is the non-Christian advocating following Jesus' teachings, while is is the self-professed Christians such as Robertson who take the anti-Jesus position.

Right off hand, I would say today's Christians have a similar choice as did Jewish people in Jesus' day -- follow Jesus of follow the Pharisees. That so many today choose to follow the Pharisees is evident in statements supporting those like Robertson who work in diametrical opposition to His teachings.

Jesus said to beware wolves in sheep's clothing, but you know -- that advice only comes in handy if one actually contemplates what He is saying. For those who only wish to thump their bible instead of read it, I would say that Robertson serves as a perfect leader, but if I am interpreting Kal-el correctly, you can certainly add my name to the list of those who are a bit perplexed at many of the glaring discrepencies between what Jesus taught and the positions taken by those calling themselves Christians.

 

[Independent Patriot]

Haha, Senor Robertson should set an example for all Christians by giving all of his money that he makes to help feed the poor, and treat others like he expects to be dealt with. There's so many other things he could do, but he should not pray on live tv, as Christ says to pray by yourselves in your room. If he actually did all of this, I just might take Christianity more seriously.

While I will agree that Pat falls off his rocker too many times during his show, I think you might be misrepresenting Christ's view on prayer. Yes, Christ did say to pray alone, but not 100% of the time. It is in reference to those who like to put on a good show in public with their prayer, worship, etc but neglect time with God when alone out of the view of others.

Christ is not saying to not pray in public or on TV, he called his church a house of prayer where obviously prayer is done in groups quite often. Also, there is reference to prayer as where "two or more agree", again prayer done by more then one person. What is being said about prayer is to not be hypocritical by pretending to be strong in prayer where others can see you, and then completely ignore God when others cannot see you.

Now you might be lumping Pat into this category and you have every right to your views, while I think Pat gets carried away on a regular basis, I will reserve judgement on his personal prayer time since I really don't know what he does in his private time.

 

[ludahai]

He is a nutcase, but it doesn't invalidate Christianity, only him and his followers. I find him to be radical, closed-minded and bigoted. Some of the statements that have been made by him and his ilk regarding Catholics has made my skin crawl.

The Catholic Church is a far more open-minded and accepting Church than Robertson and many other Protestants and Protestant groups (NOT ALL, MANY). Please don't judge all Christians by the rants of that nutcase.

 

[Apostle13]

He is a nutcase, but it doesn't invalidate Christianity, only him and his followers...

So Evangelicals are not valid Christians... Interesting.

I find him to be radical, closed-minded and bigoted
The Catholic Church is a far more open-minded and accepting Church than Robertson and many other Protestants and Protestant groups (NOT ALL, MANY). Please don't judge all Christians by the rants of that nutcase

Who's ranting now..?
Ignorance becomes you.

Yes, Christ did say to pray alone, but not 100% of the time. It is in reference to those who like to put on a good show in public with their prayer, worship,

Exactly... His reference was to men who seek self glory by means of trumpeting their righteousness before other men.
There are many examples of prayer as a group both within the teachings of Christ and the early church. Acts tells of a group of 120 praying together in an upper room in Jerusalem, as Christ advised, that they wait there until the Holy Spirit comes.

 

[ludahai]

So Evangelicals are not valid Christians... Interesting.

Do all evangilicals follow Robertson? If so, then I would question them as Christians, though our Lord and Savior is the final judge on that. UNLIKE many Evangilicals (many of whom do NOT regard Catholics as Christians), we DO regard Prostestants as Christians and pray for them as part of the greater Christian community.

Who's ranting now..?
Ignorance becomes you.
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Typical Fundie response.

 

[Apostle13]

though our Lord and Savior is the final judge on that.

Thank you.

UNLIKE many Evangilicals (many of whom do NOT regard Catholics as Christians), we DO regard Prostestants as Christians and pray for them as part of the greater Christian community.

Don't let denominational pride cloud your judgment of them outside your sect... There are wheat and tares in all of the mixes. Personally I think Catholics are cool and have learned alot from them (devout ones). I will defend any Christ centered teachings/denomination to reason.

Typical Fundie response.

I beg to differ... As there is nothing typical about a fundie. We are a peculiar people..

 

[tryreading]

Haha, Senor Robertson should set an example for all Christians by giving all of his money that he makes to help feed the poor, and treat others like he expects to be dealt with. There's so many other things he could do, but he should not pray on live tv, as Christ says to pray by yourselves in your room. If he actually did all of this, I just might take Christianity more seriously.

Mr. Pat does not have time to practice Christianity. Summer is coming, and I'm sure he's whipping up some more hurricanes for us here in Florida. And I imagine he's still planning Chavez's demise, and busy being kicked out of Israeli theme park projects. I also have suspicions that it was he who took a crack at Ted Kennedy's plane the other day.

 

[Apostle13]

Mr. Pat does not have time to practice Christianity. Summer is coming, and I'm sure he's whipping up some more hurricanes for us here in Florida.

Even the liberal media described Katrina as a disaster of biblical proportion. Are they covert followers of Pat..?

And I imagine he's still planning Chavez's demise,

That was just a ploy to a execute a far greater plan. In an apparent attempt to devilify himself Chavez provides heating oil for the northeast winter. Go figure... Good from evil.

and busy being kicked out of Israeli theme park projects.

Well he did apologize for his remarks concerning Israels prime-minister. Thus proving he is not above humility. Now if he'll just pray Sharon out of that coma.

I also have suspicions that it was he who took a crack at Ted Kennedy's plane the other day.

No that was a wake up call from God Himself... Lightening is also described as an act of God... Check with any insurance policy. Must be time for Ted to get his house in order... And I don't think God is talking 'bout the senate..:lol:

 

[ludahai]

Thank you.

Don't let denominational pride cloud your judgment of them outside your sect... There are wheat and tares in all of the mixes. Personally I think Catholics are cool and have learned alot from them (devout ones). I will defend any Christ centered teachings/denomination to reason.
I beg to differ... As there is nothing typical about a fundie. We are a peculiar people..

Don't forget, without Catholics, you wouldn't even have the abridged version of the Bible that you have. The Catholic Church is the only Christian Church that has links back to Peter and Paul. As I said, we DO regard non Catholics as Christians, but I have had too many experiences with Fundies who did not regard us as Christians.

 

[Sir_Alec]

Even the liberal media described Katrina as a disaster of biblical proportion. Are they covert followers of Pat..?

Yeah, really. That explains it all. If the news said it everything makes total sense.

Can you stop defending this nutcase please?

 

[tryreading]

Even the liberal media described Katrina as a disaster of biblical proportion. Are they covert followers of Pat..?
That was just a ploy to a execute a far greater plan. In an apparent attempt to devilify himself Chavez provides heating oil for the northeast winter. Go figure... Good from evil. Well he did apologize for his remarks concerning Israels prime-minister. Thus proving he is not above humility. Now if he'll just pray Sharon out of that coma.
No that was a wake up call from God Himself... Lightening is also described as an act of God... Check with any insurance policy. Must be time for Ted to get his house in order... And I don't think God is talking 'bout the senate..:lol:

Yeah, the liberal media follows Pat. You did see the stories about the 'War on Father's Day,' right? The liberal media printed them because Pat prayed them to. (Bill O'Reilly said something about the liberals waging a war on father's day because too many fathers are having Christian offspring).

Yes, Ariel would be up and swinging if only Pat would pray for it.

If you believe in God, I would think you would rebuke the liberal media and insurance companies for cheapening God's acts.

 

[Captain America]

Pat's at it again. Wadda quack! :rofl

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12851397/?GT1=8199

 

[tryreading]

Pat's at it again. Wadda quack! :rofl

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12851397/?GT1=8199

You know what's funny to me? Pat qualified his conversation with God by saying 'If I heard the Lord right...'

If he heard wrong, then God wanted him to hear wrong, right? So God wanted to make Pat look silly if he made Pat hear him wrong. Maybe that's what God has been doing all along.

 

[kal-el]

There is nothing wrong with prayer in any setting group or singular... So Pat stands firm on his beliefs... Do not you?

I'm not saying anything is wrong with prayer, per sae, just what Jesus said about it. In that sermon, he even relays exactly how one should go about praying. My personal opinion on prayer is I don't think it's wrong, I just think it's pointless. If God is indeed all-knowing, what is the sense in getting on your knees, reciting thoughtless verbal chicarades? Surley, he already knows what you are gonna say. Why would a perfect entity require his creation to get on their knees and adulate him constantly? And God himself, aka Jesus promised rewards in prayer some 4 times in the Gospels. He says if you have little faith you can move mountains. Geese, God would be in quite a bind if 2 people of modicum faith simeltaneously prayed for the same mountain to be moved in oppositte directions. What course of action do you believe your Christian God would take?

 

[Independent Patriot]

I'm not saying anything is wrong with prayer, per sae, just what Jesus said about it. In that sermon, he even relays exactly how one should go about praying. My personal opinion on prayer is I don't think it's wrong, I just think it's pointless. If God is indeed all-knowing, what is the sense in getting on your knees, reciting thoughtless verbal chicarades? Surley, he already knows what you are gonna say. Why would a perfect entity require his creation to get on their knees and adulate him constantly? And God himself, aka Jesus promised rewards in prayer some 4 times in the Gospels. He says if you have little faith you can move mountains. Geese, God would be in quite a bind if 2 people of modicum faith simeltaneously prayed for the same mountain to be moved in oppositte directions. What course of action do you believe your Christian God would take?

Kal-el are you referring to the "faith as a mustard seed" quote in the Gospels?

 

[Independent Patriot]

I'm not saying anything is wrong with prayer, per sae, just what Jesus said about it. In that sermon, he even relays exactly how one should go about praying. My personal opinion on prayer is I don't think it's wrong, I just think it's pointless. If God is indeed all-knowing, what is the sense in getting on your knees, reciting thoughtless verbal chicarades? Surley, he already knows what you are gonna say. Why would a perfect entity require his creation to get on their knees and adulate him constantly? And God himself, aka Jesus promised rewards in prayer some 4 times in the Gospels. He says if you have little faith you can move mountains. Geese, God would be in quite a bind if 2 people of modicum faith simeltaneously prayed for the same mountain to be moved in oppositte directions. What course of action do you believe your Christian God would take?

As far as why to pray is a matter of not asking for things all the time, but more of a way to spend time with God. I don't find it any different then a father wanting to spend time with their children. Are we to just ignore God since he knows everything anyway? Sounds like a selfish thing to do in my opinion. Also, praying is a way to give thanks to God for the blessings you have recieved. I think too often prayer is seen as some chore that has to be done a certain way. Keep it simple, find a quiet spot where you are alone and spend time with God.

As far as praying alone, yes you should do that much more often then in public. Many who only pray when around others are doing it for their own reward, which is why Jesus said they have already recieved it. There was no implication that prayer should never be done in public.

Also, as far as moving mountains Jesus many times made reference to show the power behind what he was preaching. He also said you should gouge your eye out and cut your hand off if you sin. I honestly don't believe he meant that literally, but he made his point. I don't know why any Christian would have any good cause to cast a mountain into the sea, other then to show off, and I don't think God answers prayers to put on shows for entertainment. The mountain represents an extremely difficult situation that many people feel to conquer is like climbing a mountain, ie marriage in extreme distress, child hooked on drugs, heavy financial burden, etc, etc.

I know this got long, but I hope it made some sense.

 

[Apostle13]

You know what's funny to me? Pat qualified his conversation with God by saying 'If I heard the Lord right...'

If he heard wrong, then God wanted him to hear wrong, right? So God wanted to make Pat look silly if he made Pat hear him wrong. Maybe that's what God has been doing all along.

Can't argue that...lol