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Even if this bag were the "proper" lycra one, or whatever, as a parent, I want to know that putting my kid in this bag is or is not an option for the teachers. In other words, I don't want to show up to school surprised to find my kid in a bag, even the lycra bag. That's the issue, here. As a parent, I should be able to tell the teachers, no, don't put my kid in a bag, just call me, and I'll come get him.
We talk about teachers be ill equipped to deal with these sorts of things. Um. What if, as a private sector worker, I told my boss I was ill equipped to do my job? What would happen, do you think? I mean, they have special education teachers...these are the so called pros for this sort of thing. And they resorted to putting that kind into, as described by the article, a gym bag? Sorry, but seeing as getting a refund for these obviously unwanted "services" is not in the cards for the parents, then, you're god damn right some heads should roll.
The article is not clear as to what type of bag it was.
If the child is that disruptive, he goes out of the classroom and to the principals office, or to another room where someone has to watch him so he doesn't hurt himself. I don't see that in this case... and while your example is an extreme one, I cannot see any... let me stress again... any circumstance in which a school, without my permission or knowledge before the fact, puts my 9 year old no matter how disruptive, in a lycra bag. By the way, there was kid (when I still went to grade school) who was just like that. His name was Marc Sanchez, and we were in 5th grade. He was corrected a few times, threw his tantrum, was removed from the class and sat either in the nurses office, or the principals office quite often. If he calmed down (sometimes he did) he stayed in the classroom and participated. The teacher (Mrs. Kidder) knew how to control children, and knew how to teach you see.
What I see as this lycra bag thing is akin to locking a kid in a closet. It's stupid, it's a cop out and it enforces the wrong behavior and lets the teacher off without having to deal with children. News flash - kids act up! Kids are hyper - they are disruptive... it's all part of being a child. Even when kids are extreme in their behavior, tying them in a lycra bag and not dealing with their behavior issues shows how ill prepared and clueless this particular school system is.
The one I read said the mother knew they used the bag for him to roll around on the balls, but she didn't know that they put kids IN the bag.
........If the child is that disruptive, he goes out of the classroom and to the principals office, or to another room where someone has to watch him so he doesn't hurt himself. I don't see that in this case... and while your example is an extreme one, I cannot see any... let me stress again... any circumstance in which a school, without my permission or knowledge before the fact, puts my 9 year old no matter how disruptive, in a lycra bag ..............
No, a lone teacher in a classroom full of kids shouldn't have to attempt to subdue an out of control child for an hour until the parent gets there. The child should be taken immediately out of the classroom so the other kids can learn.
That's another pat answer on the opposite extreme though. Removing a kid isn't always the only way, or best way, to deal with behavior problems, especially if the kid's just acting up to get out of school. And what if he's already in a special ed class?
You've never seen an autistic kid act up. They don't "go to the principal's office". What happens to autistic kids in not just a normal part of growing up. It's anything but.
Yes - us parents know it can be difficult, exhausting and trying. But there is a line and I feel this crossed that line.
You know what: if a PARENT shoved their kid in a bag because they couldn't handle them I'd call CPS and consider it abuse and neglect. There's no excusing this approach ot teaching or parenting. If a PET was
I agree that the bag is pretty extreme. I have never seen that and I've seen a lot of autistic kids.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/parents-angry-after-school-put-autistic-son-in-bag/
My oldest son is mildly autistic - when he was younger we had a lot of issues with the school he attended. As he grew older some of his issues sort of faded - he learned about to be in more control of his self, etc. . . making it easier to teach him and he distrupted the class less.
However frustrating it might have been for the teachers - they did NOT treat him like ****.
If I had come to school at some point and FOUND him in a ****ing bag in a hallway - I'd likely lose my temper. I've been on edge of losing it several times with teachers concerning just how they talked about him . . . I don't think I would have maintained control if they violated his rights, physical self and dignity. I would have beat the **** out of them.
This story INFURIATES me - and more so: the school DEFENDED their actions by saying "bags are used to control . . . they're a gym bag that they can get out of" **** YOU YOU **** - let me stick you in a bag and leave you there and see how you like it you disgusting pigs.
More so: the mother heard that they 'used bags to handle them' and just didn't know 'how' they used the bag - that's bizarre. . .obviously you can NEVER EVER assume that they're doing what you THINK they're doing. You must ask question and lots of them!
I think this is exactly WHY the dissolve of special-needs-only classrooms was horrible. . . regular teachers have 20+ kids and special needs children require extra attention that the average teacher can't provide, doesn't have instruction in . . . I think it sets everyone up for a poor and failing school experience.
As special needs children grew THEN they should be in a regular classroom more IF they can control their selves on their own and with less interaction from the teacher.
I found that my son being shuffled to and from classroom 4 times a day was more disruptive than anything else - and this was so he could have individualized instruction time. At least years ago they would have a small classroom for one-on-one cognitive (etc) related activity to strengthen their skills in school but now they just stick tehse special needs kids who have attention deficit and physical issues in the hallway - with countless others shuffling past all the time (yeah, they're going to focus and learn then) :roll:
Schools are failing miserably to keep up with the growing number of students who have issues.
I've seen more than you have, and my son is autistic. Your apologism for this kind of approach sickens me, Josie. For once could you get a reality check and not side with authority? I know you love to so much, but in this case you're wrong. How hard would it have been to separate the autistic student and put him in a different room, even alone if necessary, to cool down? How hard would it be to have an extra staff member on hand to be with him, and help him to express what the problem is? This is what virtually every district does in modern America.
Autistic children don't act out for no reason, and it's not "acting out" but trying to express a problem in a dysfunctional way. The fact that it's being framed as "acting out" suggests that rules are being broken in a delinquent way. That's now how autistic children operate. If they are a danger to others then of course restraint is sometimes necessary, but "bag therapy" is not a therapy in the modern world. A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet; a bag by any other name is still a BAG being put over a kid and sealed shut so that they are in the dark.
I've seen more than you have, and my son is autistic. Your apologism for this kind of approach sickens me, Josie. For once could you get a reality check and not side with authority? ................................. Try apologizing for THAT, Josie.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/parents-angry-after-school-put-autistic-son-in-bag/
My oldest son is mildly autistic - when he was younger we had a lot of issues with the school he attended. As he grew older some of his issues sort of faded - he learned about to be in more control of his self, etc. . . making it easier to teach him and he distrupted the class less.
However frustrating it might have been for the teachers - they did NOT treat him like ****.
If I had come to school at some point and FOUND him in a ****ing bag in a hallway - I'd likely lose my temper. I've been on edge of losing it several times with teachers concerning just how they talked about him . . . I don't think I would have maintained control if they violated his rights, physical self and dignity. I would have beat the **** out of them.
This story INFURIATES me - and more so: the school DEFENDED their actions by saying "bags are used to control . . . they're a gym bag that they can get out of" **** YOU YOU **** - let me stick you in a bag and leave you there and see how you like it you disgusting pigs.
More so: the mother heard that they 'used bags to handle them' and just didn't know 'how' they used the bag - that's bizarre. . .obviously you can NEVER EVER assume that they're doing what you THINK they're doing. You must ask question and lots of them!
I think this is exactly WHY the dissolve of special-needs-only classrooms was horrible. . . regular teachers have 20+ kids and special needs children require extra attention that the average teacher can't provide, doesn't have instruction in . . . I think it sets everyone up for a poor and failing school experience.
As special needs children grew THEN they should be in a regular classroom more IF they can control their selves on their own and with less interaction from the teacher.
I found that my son being shuffled to and from classroom 4 times a day was more disruptive than anything else - and this was so he could have individualized instruction time. At least years ago they would have a small classroom for one-on-one cognitive (etc) related activity to strengthen their skills in school but now they just stick tehse special needs kids who have attention deficit and physical issues in the hallway - with countless others shuffling past all the time (yeah, they're going to focus and learn then) :roll:
Schools are failing miserably to keep up with the growing number of students who have issues.
Teachers are to teach. Parents are to parent. Teachers who teach autistic children should be aware of every situation and how to handle it. Putting a kid in a bag is not acceptable.
When my kid started school, he came home with a permission slip from the school that I was to sign that they could perform corporal punishment on him if he "acted up". I x'd out all of it and wrote on the back "if you touch my kid, I'll come touch you. And you don't want that. Trust me. If he "acts up", then I will handle it. Me. The parent. YOU handle teaching and leave the punishment to ME."
No teacher has the right to put their hands on any kid. That is not their job. Especially autistic children or special needs children, etc. NO CHILD should be at the mercy of a teacher whose job is to TEACH.
I haven't followed the rest of this thread.
But would you be up in arms as a parent if the school showed you the techniques they used on autistic children when you enroll them in the school so no parent is surprised by the techniques used when they see them?
It sounds like someone put the child into the wrong sort o bag as the mother knew Lycra bags are a form of therapeutic intervention for an autistic child experiencing sensory overload, but she states she found her child in something more like a gym bag than the therapeutic bag and that the aide had trouble freeing the child from the bag. If someone put a 9 yo in a duffel bag some heads need to roll.One of my kids has aspergers and my wife is a special ed teacher who routinely deals with autistic children and one thing should be known to all.
Often autistic children have sensory issues and can easily become over or understimulated (each kid is unique in this area). Putting children in a bag is actually a form of therapy.
So lets not rush to judgement about this.
However, if the school did something like this without the parents knowledge and consent, this is against federal regulations and the IEP process. So its a huge no-no and that teacher's certification should be looked at very closely.
If I had come to school at some point and FOUND him in a ****ing bag in a hallway - I'd likely lose my temper.
Fine. They throw your kid out of school then. They (we) are not obligated to provide you with anything special. Its nice when such is available, but you are not owed such.
If putting autistic kids in a bag is how you deal with them then what is the big deal?Oh no they used the wrong type of bag not like the one in the picture, oh ****.http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/parents-angry-after-school-put-autistic-son-in-bag/
My oldest son is mildly autistic - when he was younger we had a lot of issues with the school he attended. As he grew older some of his issues sort of faded - he learned about to be in more control of his self, etc. . . making it easier to teach him and he distrupted the class less.
However frustrating it might have been for the teachers - they did NOT treat him like ****.
If I had come to school at some point and FOUND him in a ****ing bag in a hallway - I'd likely lose my temper. I've been on edge of losing it several times with teachers concerning just how they talked about him . . . I don't think I would have maintained control if they violated his rights, physical self and dignity. I would have beat the **** out of them.
This story INFURIATES me - and more so: the school DEFENDED their actions by saying "bags are used to control . . . they're a gym bag that they can get out of" **** YOU YOU **** - let me stick you in a bag and leave you there and see how you like it you disgusting pigs.
More so: the mother heard that they 'used bags to handle them' and just didn't know 'how' they used the bag - that's bizarre. . .obviously you can NEVER EVER assume that they're doing what you THINK they're doing. You must ask question and lots of them!
I think this is exactly WHY the dissolve of special-needs-only classrooms was horrible. . . regular teachers have 20+ kids and special needs children require extra attention that the average teacher can't provide, doesn't have instruction in . . . I think it sets everyone up for a poor and failing school experience.
As special needs children grew THEN they should be in a regular classroom more IF they can control their selves on their own and with less interaction from the teacher.
I found that my son being shuffled to and from classroom 4 times a day was more disruptive than anything else - and this was so he could have individualized instruction time. At least years ago they would have a small classroom for one-on-one cognitive (etc) related activity to strengthen their skills in school but now they just stick tehse special needs kids who have attention deficit and physical issues in the hallway - with countless others shuffling past all the time (yeah, they're going to focus and learn then) :roll:
Schools are failing miserably to keep up with the growing number of students who have issues.
If putting autistic kids in a bag is how you deal with them then what is the big deal?Oh no they used the wrong type of bag not like the one in the picture, oh ****.
It could be a big deal. I have no idea. Perhaps part of the accepted therapy is for the kid to be able to see. Perhaps the bag does the same thing as noted by the contraption noted earlier that's it's suppose to be a feeling of confinement which would happen with the lycra bags.
But it would seem that indeed some are upset over the idea of bag therapy, accepted practice or not.
If putting autistic kids in a bag is how you deal with them then what is the big deal?Oh no they used the wrong type of bag not like the one in the picture, oh ****.
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