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Palin 2012

She still has more experience than the current President ever will!
 
She still has more experience than the current President ever will!

Actually, since experience is somewhat quantifiable, you're just completely wrong here.

Now, you could argue...and imho successfully argue btw, but that's an argument long hashed out for months during the election season...that hse has more experience than the current President did upon his bid for the Presidency. That is a legitimate argument.

...HOWEVER...

It'd just be rather factually dishonest, or you'd have to have an absurd view of what "experience" is, to say she has more experience than the current President ever will.

Note the bold part. See that. It says "The Current" President. This means that currently Barack Obama has about one year of actual, on the job, training that's not just executive experience but experience doing the very job itself. It also means by the time she would even be able to run he'd have around 4 years of that experience.

So no, factually speaking, at this point with her stepping down from her governorship and Barack Obama actually experiencing the position of Presidency for the next 3 years, Barack Obama in 2012 will have more experience at the job than Sarah Palin will have had.

That said...

I don't mind Palin, but she wouldn't be my pick. However if it was between Palin and Obama it'd be a simple answer for me based simply on Obama's policies currently, and the fact that there are at least some things I agree with in regards to Palin's political philosophy while I'm finding that there's a signifantly less and less that I agree with in Obama's.
 
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Actually, since experience is somewhat quantifiable, you're just completely wrong here.

Seems to me, that you are completely wrong here.

Now, you could argue...and imho successfully argue btw, but that's an argument long hashed out for months during the election season...that hse has more experience than the current President did upon his bid for the Presidency. That is a legitimate argument.

And the one I was making. Even still, I believe she has far more experience than he has today or in another 3 years.

...HOWEVER...

It'd just be rather factually dishonest, or you'd have to have an absurd view of what "experience" is, to say she has more experience than the current President ever will.

Note the bold part. See that. It says "The Current" President. This means that currently Barack Obama has about one year of actual, on the job, training that's not just executive experience but experience doing the very job itself. It also means by the time she would even be able to run he'd have around 4 years of that experience.

So no, factually speaking, at this point with her stepping down from her governorship and Barack Obama actually experiencing the position of Presidency for the next 3 years, Barack Obama in 2012 will have more experience at the job than Sarah Palin will have had.
See I believe she will still have more experience than he will, because all he is doing is going around on photo ops.

That said...

I don't mind Palin, but she wouldn't be my pick. However if it was between Palin and Obama it'd be a simple answer for me based simply on Obama's policies currently, and the fact that there are at least some things I agree with in regards to Palin's political philosophy while I'm finding that there's a signifantly less and less that I agree with in Obama's.
Good, at least you have learned something from having this man in office!
 

Just the THOUGHT of seeing you meltdown, completely lose your mind and revert to a simpering childlike state on Nov 3rd, 2012 as PeBO is making his concession speech... would be enough to vote for Palin.

Do you know why.. and I'm asking you to put aside all your radical mouth frothing persona for a moment here on DP, and answer honestly, do you understand why Palin is an attractive candidate for many conservatives?
 
Seems to me, that you are completely wrong here.

And the one I was making. Even still, I believe she has far more experience than he has today or in another 3 years.

See I believe she will still have more experience than he will, because all he is doing is going around on photo ops.

Then you're just foolishly being hyper partisan and are acting irrationally and without logic, so again, I'm correct. You can complain, whine, and moan all you want about Photo Ops and your opinion. Facts don't change.

Now I could point out opinion wise, that Palin spent a good portion of her Governorship which would be her only true "experience" that is directly tied to the job flying around CAMPAIGNING...aka photo ops...but I'm not going to bother.

The fact of the matter is that Obama by 2012 will have four years of FEDERAL EXECUTIVE experience compared to Palins 2 years of STATE EXECUTIVE experience. That's a fact. There's no question about it. Unless you're saying during those 4 years Obama is literally not doing a single, solitary, minute of his duties as a President...which is an idiotic and frankly laughably just bald faced lie...this is an undistpuable fact. So the one legitimate argument one could make prior to the election was that Sarah Palin's EXECUTIVE experience equalled or trumped Obama's LEGISLATIVE experience because it was experience actually pertaining directly to the role of the President. However, that same argument can no, in any concievable way, be made after he's had 4 years in an executive position himself.

You blindly and ignorantly denying reality doesn't change reality, and the reality is that Obama by the time of the 2012 election will have both more experience Legislatively, Executively, and in regards to Foreign Issues than Sarah Palin will have had. This is not a debatable thing like it was in 2008, its not something left up to opinion, its pure and simple fact.

Now, you could make a debate that his experience doesn't mean anything, but that'd be idiotic if you pushed the notion (which I'm going to guess you did) that he shouldn't have been elected because experience mattered. You could make a debate about the fact that his experience hasn't taught him anything and he makes bad calls, that could be a potentially legitimate debate. You could make a debate about the fact that he wasn't GOOD at what he has experience doing, that again could be a judgement call to make. What you can't do is say he doesn't have the experience because, as I said before, him being in office and doing the duties of the President....and I'm PRETTY SURE that bills have been signed, legislation pushed for, and executive orders and demands put forth so it wasn't all photo ops...IS EXPERIENCE.

There's a lot of legitimate things you can debate about Obama and his presidency and how poor it may be. One thing that is just frankly not debatable because its fact is that President Obama come 2012 will unquestionably have more experience at the position of President than Sarah Palin.
 
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Why is it that you talk about "Palin2012" more than anyone else I've ever encountered?
 
I voted for McCain/Palin, but wasn't happy about her as the VP choice.

To put it simply, I don't feel that she was ready for it, nor that she is ready now and may not ever be. She has become a celebrity and has apparently relished in it, which is not what I look for in a Presidential candidate.

To me, she is just not a viable candidate. Not now, not ever. I just cannot take her seriously after the celeb parade that has followed her. She was probably an appropriate selection to be the mayor of Wasilla. Maybe even GOV of Alaska. But President? No.

It is quite obvious why liberals hate her. To them, an extremly popular female politician is supposed to be a feminist, pro-choice, etc. Because she is the antithesis of that, it drives them crazy. She's an easy target for them. She doesn't make it easier on herself by constantly stoking the fire.

If GOP candidates want to use Palin for fundraising, then fine. She would probably be good at that some places. If she wants to run for Senate in Alaska, well then, that is up to them to decide.

I would never vote for her as President and I think that if she runs, she'll get stomped in the primaries. I could be wrong, for the sake of my faith in this country, I hope I am not. But, if she is the GOP candidate, you can keep Obama's stuff in the Oval Office; he will trounce her. The reason is because independents and moderates decide elections, as much as it pains partisans to admit. It's a fact. She turns off to many people, I don't care what Rassmussen says.

Can you imagine a Palin-Obama debate?

Ugly.
 
she will be even more asinine as a Presidential candidate as she was a vice presidential candidate.
 
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I would enjoy watching the election debates in 2012 if it's Palin vs. Obama.
 
I would enjoy watching the election debates in 2012 if it's Palin vs. Obama.

Yes,it was pretty entertaining watching Obama stutter through his debates with Clinton and McCain.
 
Do you know why.. and I'm asking you to put aside all your radical mouth frothing persona for a moment here on DP, and answer honestly, do you understand why Palin is an attractive candidate for many conservatives?

Actually, I'd love to hear the answer to this question as well. I have no idea why she's an attractive candidate for anything at all.

I'm not being sarcastic either. Why do people actually like this woman? Is it just because she supports the same ideology that they do?
 
Just the THOUGHT of seeing you meltdown, completely lose your mind and revert to a simpering childlike state on Nov 3rd, 2012 as PeBO is making his concession speech... would be enough to vote for Palin.

Do you know why.. and I'm asking you to put aside all your radical mouth frothing persona for a moment here on DP, and answer honestly, do you understand why Palin is an attractive candidate for many conservatives?

I think Palin is the perfect candidate for conservatives, which is why I believe that the GOP should nominate her in 2012. THAT was the point of the post.
Absolutely, the GOP would be foolish not to nominate Palin in 2012. She is their candidate.
 
Why is it that you talk about "Palin2012" more than anyone else I've ever encountered?

Are you referring to me?

If so, it is because I believe that Palin would be the perfect candidate for the GOP. This should be a no-brainer.
 
This thread just goes to show that the Leftists are skeered ****less of a Palin run at the WH. They already know that PBO isn't getting re-elected and that Palin will get the lion's share of the Conservative vote.
 
This thread just goes to show that the Leftists are skeered ****less of a Palin run at the WH. They already know that PBO isn't getting re-elected and that Palin will get the lion's share of the Conservative vote.

As always when you try and position "Leftists" and "Libbos", you are 100 % wrong. There is no fear, none at all.
 
As always when you try and position "Leftists" and "Libbos", you are 100 % wrong. There is no fear, none at all.

Got anything to prove me wrong? No, huh? We're just supposed to kow-tow because a Libbo told us we're all wrong.
 
I think Palin is the perfect candidate for conservatives, which is why I believe that the GOP should nominate her in 2012. THAT was the point of the post.
Absolutely, the GOP would be foolish not to nominate Palin in 2012. She is their candidate.

So you can't put aside anything and answer the question, because you really have no idea why she's attractive to some voters as a potential candidate. Just, "Their conservative so their idiots lol"?

Well, I gave you a chance..
 
Actually, I'd love to hear the answer to this question as well. I have no idea why she's an attractive candidate for anything at all.

I'm not being sarcastic either. Why do people actually like this woman? Is it just because she supports the same ideology that they do?

She did a bang up job in Alaska, she holds to her principles, she believes in smaller role of Government, and isn't a typical politician more concerned with "power" then the people. Which is why she stepped down as Governor, it wasn't worth the cost to the tax payers to sit around as a target for the kiddies.
 
So you can't put aside anything and answer the question, because you really have no idea why she's attractive to some voters as a potential candidate. Just, "Their conservative so their idiots lol"?

Well, I gave you a chance..

Where did I say anything even close to what you are insinuating?

Can you point me to where I said "Their conservative so their idiots lol"?

I am agreeing with you. Palin is the perfect candidate for the GOP. If the GOP wants to move further to the right, Palin is the perfect choice for them....that's why I say that Palin is the perfect choice for the GOP in 2012. If that is their desire, they would be foolish not to make her their nominee.
 
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She did a bang up job in Alaska, she holds to her principles, she believes in smaller role of Government, and isn't a typical politician more concerned with "power" then the people. Which is why she stepped down as Governor, it wasn't worth the cost to the tax payers to sit around as a target for the kiddies.

Okay, fair enough. While I would personally never vote for her, I can see why some would now I guess.
 
Yes,it was pretty entertaining watching Obama stutter through his debates with Clinton and McCain.

If I recall correctly, the general consensus was that Obama trounced McCain in all 3 debates.

This thread just goes to show that the Leftists are skeered ****less of a Palin run at the WH. They already know that PBO isn't getting re-elected and that Palin will get the lion's share of the Conservative vote.

Oh, she'll get the lion's share of the Conservative vote, but if she doesn't win the Independent vote, well get used to another 4 years of Obama.

Got anything to prove me wrong? No, huh? We're just supposed to kow-tow because a Libbo told us we're all wrong.

What would you define as something that would "prove you wrong"
 
Just the THOUGHT of seeing you meltdown, completely lose your mind and revert to a simpering childlike state on Nov 3rd, 2012 as PeBO is making his concession speech... would be enough to vote for Palin.

Do you know why.. and I'm asking you to put aside all your radical mouth frothing persona for a moment here on DP, and answer honestly, do you understand why Palin is an attractive candidate for many conservatives?

I'll answer... Because she's young and charismatic, she engages well, and because her positions are more or less in line with the Conservative Mainstream. And because they need a star right now, they have no one else.

now why do you think Liberals hate her so much? And it's not because we fear her, please shoot that horse.
 
Okay, fair enough. While I would personally never vote for her, I can see why some would now I guess.

Thank you for listening. While I won't attempt to persuade you otherwise, and I agree she's certainly not the perfect candidate and has made a few... mistakes. The level of animosity towards her is well, rather unfounded and unfair to be frank about it.
 
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