Pa Case goes to SCOTUS

[Callen]

Ted Cruz is certainly knowledgeable about the topic and would do an excellent job of arguing the case

Ted Cruz is knowlegale about PA State laws that specify time frames for disputing legislation? Who knew?

 

[upsideguy]

The issue is the unconstitutional actions of Wolfe. The GOP controlled legislature did NOT in fact "pass" the changes, which were made by executive fiat.

Constitutional lawyer and scholar Mark Levin explains it well;

<snipped to get to relevance>

Mark Levin Details How Democrats in Pennsylvania Changed the Rules on Election Fraud

Conservative talk radio host and constitutional scholar Mark Levin used his Sunday night program on

townhall.com

Actually, he is a lawyer who obtained his J.D. from Temple University School of Law in 1980. He later served in the Reagan administration in several capacities over time. He finished there as chief of staff to Attorney General Edwin Meese.

Temple Law School is a nice mid-tier law school. It is not known for producing "legal scholars".... moreover, he never really practiced law. Calling Levin some type of expert on constitutional law is akin to thinking Scott Atlas knows anything about pandemics, but that seems to be the world in which we live.

Levin's tape was full of leaps of logic and a reckless disregard for the underlying facts. It was an argument of questionable value that would likely be destroyed quickly if argued in court.

 

[Callen]

Levin's tape was full of leaps of logic and a reckless disregard for the underlying facts. It was an argument of questionable value that would likely be destroyed quickly if argued in court.

Trumpers only hear what they want to hear and the likes of Levin only tell them what they want to hear. A match made in heaven. Sadly Trumpers don't belive the election officials, the courts , the DOJ , nobody but Trump and the RW echo chamber.

 

[Visbek]

You know that "fascist" =/= "everything I don't like", right? So far as the PA votes, I don't support invalidating the votes but changes do need to happen in the future to stop any issues from happening again, and if that just means having more transparent system to bring more trust back then so be it.

Good news! There were very few issues this time around, meaning that when it comes to the actual mechanisms of the election itself, PA doesn't have a lot of work to do.

The reason for the distrust has nothing to do with how the election was run, it's that Trump spent months (if not years) priming his base to distrust the system.

I mean, really....

• If Trump knew that there was going to be widespread organized fraud months ago, why couldn't he stop it?

• Why did so many down-ballot Republicans win?

• Why didn't the cheaters also operate in North Carolina? Why didn't they just nail Texas or Florida instead?

• Why do Republican officials insist that the election was properly run and counted? Are they all in on the scam? Or was it only officials in Michigan, Georgia, Arizona and Pennsylvania?

• Why do judges appointed by Trump dismiss campaign lawsuits as lacking evidence? Are they also compromised?

• How, exactly, was this vast conspiracy organized? Who ran it? Why hasn't a single person come forward or been caught?

• Why didn't they do this in 2016?

• What would Republicans do, if Democrats insisted that state legislatures ignore the votes, and just cast their votes for Biden?

• Which ones, exactly, of these crazy theories are actually true? Why would a perfectly executed conspiracy employ such shoddy and disparate methods?

Let's face it. The conspiracy theories simply not credible. It doesn't make sense. Anyone who thinks that only Newsmax and OANN are capable of uncovering the truth is huffing fumes.

Seriously. At this point, God himself could descend to Philadelphia, proclaim that the election was properly conducted and the votes properly counted, and people would still deny it.

The election was properly conducted. Trump lost, fair and square. Just accept it.

 

[prometeus]

Actually, he is a lawyer who obtained his J.D. from Temple University School of Law in 1980. He later served in the Reagan administration in several capacities over time. He finished there as chief of staff to Attorney General Edwin Meese.

And that makes him a scholar and Constitutional lawyer? If not why the **** are you commenting?

 

[prometeus]

Good news! There were very few issues this time around, meaning that when it comes to the actual mechanisms of the election itself, PA doesn't have a lot of work to do.

The reason for the distrust has nothing to do with how the election was run, it's that Trump spent months (if not years) priming his base to distrust the system.

I mean, really....

• If Trump knew that there was going to be widespread organized fraud months ago, why couldn't he stop it?

• Why did so many down-ballot Republicans win?

• Why didn't the cheaters also operate in North Carolina? Why didn't they just nail Texas or Florida instead?

• Why do Republican officials insist that the election was properly run and counted? Are they all in on the scam? Or was it only officials in Michigan, Georgia, Arizona and Pennsylvania?

• Why do judges appointed by Trump dismiss campaign lawsuits as lacking evidence? Are they also compromised?

• How, exactly, was this vast conspiracy organized? Who ran it? Why hasn't a single person come forward or been caught?

• Why didn't they do this in 2016?

• What would Republicans do, if Democrats insisted that state legislatures ignore the votes, and just cast their votes for Biden?

• Which ones, exactly, of these crazy theories are actually true? Why would a perfectly executed conspiracy employ such shoddy and disparate methods?

Let's face it. The conspiracy theories simply not credible. It doesn't make sense. Anyone who thinks that only Newsmax and OANN are capable of uncovering the truth is huffing fumes.

Seriously. At this point, God himself could descend to Philadelphia, proclaim that the election was properly conducted and the votes properly counted, and people would still deny it.

The election was properly conducted. Trump lost, fair and square. Just accept it.

Why are you trying to confuse a Trump ass kisser with relevant information? Shame on you. Couldn't you just wallow in victory nice and quietly?

 

[bongsaway]

I think that would be an excellent remedy in some of these states where so many irregularities have been identified. I wish that remedy could or would happen. It's not reasonable for the nation that over 50 million voters are convinced of massive fraud. I'm one of them. While I don't know who did win, I do think the fraud was significant. I think investigations and proper remedies would take us into a much more American future. This situation is a mess.
I think Biden will be inaugurated and millions will feel that inauguration and presidency is highly improper - so that's what he'll step into. Both parties and the man who is president in late January would have been much better off if this had not been censored, ignored, and pushed through without a close look.
While several here may feel very good about a "clean" election, over 50 million of your fellow citizens don't have that same feeling at all. I think it was likely the most rigged election ever - and not by foreign interference - which is a stunning situation for America to be in. Unable to trust our own elections!

What irregularities? All I hear are constant this and that's and yet not a single shred of evidence to prove this massive fraud other than accusations from the right. Trump lost and his supporters as usual just refuse to accept reality. If all the swing states voted over and biden came out winning again, the right would only demand another vote until they got one where trump won. Every court in every state is just about laughing these challenges out of court. How many does it take to admit trump lost. Election fraud my arse. What we are having is an overdose of stupidity,

 

[Vadinho]

Lets face it, we are now fighting the same wars galileleo fought.

 

[poweRob]

Ted Cruz to the rescue, he just stated he would gladly argue this case before the Supremes because it is so important. Has there been a bigger asshole in Congress? Other then McConnell that is.

Because after trump trashed his wife and dad, for some reason Ted Cruz can't suck enough trump dick.

 

[Rich2018]

Good news! There were very few issues this time around, meaning that when it comes to the actual mechanisms of the election itself, PA doesn't have a lot of work to do.

The reason for the distrust has nothing to do with how the election was run, it's that Trump spent months (if not years) priming his base to distrust the system.

I mean, really....

• If Trump knew that there was going to be widespread organized fraud months ago, why couldn't he stop it?

• Why did so many down-ballot Republicans win?

• Why didn't the cheaters also operate in North Carolina? Why didn't they just nail Texas or Florida instead?

• Why do Republican officials insist that the election was properly run and counted? Are they all in on the scam? Or was it only officials in Michigan, Georgia, Arizona and Pennsylvania?

• Why do judges appointed by Trump dismiss campaign lawsuits as lacking evidence? Are they also compromised?

• How, exactly, was this vast conspiracy organized? Who ran it? Why hasn't a single person come forward or been caught?

• Why didn't they do this in 2016?

• What would Republicans do, if Democrats insisted that state legislatures ignore the votes, and just cast their votes for Biden?

• Which ones, exactly, of these crazy theories are actually true? Why would a perfectly executed conspiracy employ such shoddy and disparate methods?

Let's face it. The conspiracy theories simply not credible. It doesn't make sense. Anyone who thinks that only Newsmax and OANN are capable of uncovering the truth is huffing fumes.

Seriously. At this point, God himself could descend to Philadelphia, proclaim that the election was properly conducted and the votes properly counted, and people would still deny it.

The election was properly conducted. Trump lost, fair and square. Just accept it.

Next to it, you'd almost think Kubrik directed the moon landings....or the CIA/Mafia assassinated JKF

When will this go into the Conspiracies section ?

 

[poweRob]

The issue is the unconstitutional actions of Wolfe. The GOP controlled legislature did NOT in fact "pass" the changes, which were made by executive fiat.

Constitutional lawyer and scholar Mark Levin explains it well;

{ "Fourteen months ago in the state of Pennsylvania, if you sent in a ballot with a signature that didn’t match the signature that they had on file, that would be discarded, if it was counted, that would be criminal fraud. Fourteen months ago in the state of Pennsylvania, if you sent in a ballot beyond election day, it wouldn’t be counted, if it was, that would be fraud. If you sent in a ballot without a postal date stamped on it, it wouldn’t be counted, and if it was, that would be fraud. Or if you sent in a ballot where they couldn’t tell what the date was, if there was a smudge on the ink, it wouldn’t be counted, and if it was counted, that would be fraud," Levin said. "All of those ballots today count. They were all counted in Pennsylvania because of unconstitutional and illegal changes that were made by officials quote, unquote, 'officially,' by individuals in Pennsylvania." }

Mark Levin Details How Democrats in Pennsylvania Changed the Rules on Election Fraud

Conservative talk radio host and constitutional scholar Mark Levin used his Sunday night program on

townhall.com

Mark Levin is a right wing talk show radio host and an idiot with a highly annoying voice. But fascists love to masturbate at the sound of that voice.

 

[Ethel2]

What irregularities? All I hear are constant this and that's and yet not a single shred of evidence to prove this massive fraud other than accusations from the right. Trump lost and his supporters as usual just refuse to accept reality. If all the swing states voted over and biden came out winning again, the right would only demand another vote until they got one where trump won. Every court in every state is just about laughing these challenges out of court. How many does it take to admit trump lost. Election fraud my arse. What we are having is an overdose of stupidity,

Gosh, these conspiracy and fraud theories are sure fun to debate!
I wonder if they will be as much fun to debate after January 20 when Biden is inaugurated.....hmmm

 

[uptower]

 

[code1211]

This is the state where Alito ordered the ballots received in that 3 day period after election day, be set aside separately. I think PA is the state and case which has the greatest chance of being considered by SCOTUS but it's only guesses from the public what cases will or won't be accepted by SCOTUS, in every matter.
Also, should they take the case and declare any of the PA activity unconstitutional, I'm not sure they'd determine a remedy. The remedy might need to be determined by the legislature (either PA's or federal).

It will very likely be only academic to the outcome(s) for the 2020 election at this point.

This situation is a little bit unique, though.

Trump is the sort of fellow that might pursue this and he has the money to do so. He might cause a review of the election law of our country.

Also, if the various cases come through the court systems to the Supreme Court, the legitimacy of the sitting president will be tarnished regardless of the propagandists working to protect him.

There seem to be various questions centering on the odd voting changes implemented using Covid as the excuse. Others are just odd.

As Yogi Berra noted, "It ain't over 'til it's over". This may not be over until the 2024 election is completed.

 

[GolfingChef]

It will very likely be only academic to the outcome(s) for the 2020 election at this point.

This situation is a little bit unique, though.

Trump is the sort of fellow that might pursue this and he has the money to do so. He might cause a review of the election law of our country.

Also, if the various cases come through the court systems to the Supreme Court, the legitimacy of the sitting president will be tarnished regardless of the propagandists working to protect him.

There seem to be various questions centering on the odd voting changes implemented using Covid as the excuse. Others are just odd.

As Yogi Berra noted, "It ain't over 'til it's over". This may not be over until the 2024 election is completed.

whatever keeps you warm at night while trying to sleep, we are good with.

if you need to hang on to this hope then I truly and honestly hope that it makes you feel better about Biden being your President.

As for the "voting changes", they are here to stay. Mail-in voting will be expanded and more people will do it. It is only common sense. It is both convenient and secure, due to mail in voting we will always now have a higher turn out rate, and that is a good thing.

I have said it before, but I predict in 2024 more ballots will be cast by mail than in person

 

[Deuce]

I think that would be an excellent remedy in some of these states where so many irregularities have been identified. I wish that remedy could or would happen. It's not reasonable for the nation that over 50 million voters are convinced of massive fraud. I'm one of them.

A serious question for you:

How long is the rest of the country obligated to facilitate your grief process? Right now you're in the "bargaining" stage.

This is not an attack. I am not disparaging you in any way. It's a normal process, everyone goes through it at some point in their life.

We've had a month of investigations. Nothing is coming up. There's no real evidence of anything. Just a lot of wild accusations, most of which aren't even accusations of anything wrong. (i.e. all the allegations about sharpies in Arizona when sharpies work just fine with the machines because this isn't 1995, you don't need specifically a #2 pencil)

Tens of millions of dollars have been spent on this. Our courts have been tied up with this. Trump and friends are alleging the biggest crime in American history and they haven't proven their case.

How much longer are we all obligated to keep pretending for you that there's a chance Trump won?

 

[poweRob]

Because after trump trashed his wife and dad, for some reason Ted Cruz can't suck enough trump dick.

Trump cultists are forever looking for their Colonel Trautman because they are convinced Trump is Rambo. Ted Cruz is applying for the position.

​

 

[roguenuke]

So in case anyone is interested for any updates on this, obviously the defendants ( COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA; PENNSYLVANIA GENERALASSEMBLY; THOMAS W. WOLF, in his official capacity as Governor of theCommonwealth of Pennsylvania; and KATHY BOOCKVAR, in her official capacityas Secretary of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Respondents.) have filed their opposition.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/20/20A98/162968/20201208090425848_20A98%20Response%20in%20Opposition%20efile.pdf

 

[Uncensored2008]

You are conflating issues, or at least cases.

Have you read Kelly's suit, or did you just hear about it on the radio?

{


Neither the act authorizing a no-excuses mail-in voting system nor a constitutional amendment proposed at the same time went through that process as required by law, the suit contends. The Legislature, the plaintiffs contend, "first recognized their constitutional restraints and the need to amend the constitution in order to enact mail-in voting, sought to amend the constitution to lawfully allow for the legislation they intended to pass, and subsequently abandoned their efforts to comply with the constitution," the suit contends.

"The mail-in ballot scheme ... is therefore unconstitutional on its face and must be struck down as void" the suit said, also asking that the court declare invalid "any certification of results that include the tabulation of unauthorized votes, including mail-in ballots which did not meet the constitutional requirements."

The court is then asked to order that the election results be certified "based solely on the legal votes" or that the General Assembly be told to choose the state's electors.

}

Rep. Mike Kelly sues to have mail-in ballots tossed, block Pennsylvania certification

It is the latest attempt in court by Republicans, including President Donald Trump, to overturn President-elect Joe Biden's victory in Pennsylvania.

www.goerie.com

I'm not conflating anything.

The PA court violated their own Constitution which forces this to the SCOTUS.

 

[GolfingChef]

So in case anyone is interested for any updates on this, obviously the defendants ( COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA; PENNSYLVANIA GENERALASSEMBLY; THOMAS W. WOLF, in his official capacity as Governor of theCommonwealth of Pennsylvania; and KATHY BOOCKVAR, in her official capacityas Secretary of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Respondents.) have filed their opposition.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/20/20A98/162968/20201208090425848_20A98%20Response%20in%20Opposition%20efile.pdf

I love this part.... Pennsylvania has conducted two statewide elections since the passage of Act 77: the June 2, 2020 Primary Election and the November 3, 2020 General Election. Three of the eight Petitioners here—Congressman Mike Kelly, Sean Parnell, and Wanda Logan—ran for and won their respective June primaries, and Congressman Kelly won reelection to the U.S. House of Representatives in the November 3 General Election. All three presumably garnered votes cast on the same mail-in ballots that, they now insist, they have only recently concluded are unconstitutional.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Trump cultists are forever looking for their Colonel Trautman because they are convinced Trump is Rambo. Ted Cruz is applying for the position.

​

Communists live in a fantasy world. Mostly comic book fantasy, all problems can be solved by super powers, Antman or Iron Man will save us. Hence the Maoists project that onto the normals as well, thinking we MUST fantasize that we are in a Rambo movie, as they fantasize about being in comic books.

But that isn't the case. Donald Trump stands up to the Maoist press and gives what he gets. Decent Americans like that. Seeing the little Goebbels like Jim the Accoster called out as the lying scum demagogues they are is a breath of fresh air. We're tired of Mitt Romney weenies who let Candy Crowley lie without any sort of response.

Trump doesn't want to be Rambo, Trump wants to be Trump, America want's Trump to be Trump.

 

[GolfingChef]

{


Neither the act authorizing a no-excuses mail-in voting system nor a constitutional amendment proposed at the same time went through that process as required by law, the suit contends. The Legislature, the plaintiffs contend, "first recognized their constitutional restraints and the need to amend the constitution in order to enact mail-in voting, sought to amend the constitution to lawfully allow for the legislation they intended to pass, and subsequently abandoned their efforts to comply with the constitution," the suit contends.

"The mail-in ballot scheme ... is therefore unconstitutional on its face and must be struck down as void" the suit said, also asking that the court declare invalid "any certification of results that include the tabulation of unauthorized votes, including mail-in ballots which did not meet the constitutional requirements."

The court is then asked to order that the election results be certified "based solely on the legal votes" or that the General Assembly be told to choose the state's electors.

}

Rep. Mike Kelly sues to have mail-in ballots tossed, block Pennsylvania certification

It is the latest attempt in court by Republicans, including President Donald Trump, to overturn President-elect Joe Biden's victory in Pennsylvania.

www.goerie.com

I'm not conflating anything.

The PA court violated their own Constitution which forces this to the SCOTUS.

All of that is answered here....https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/20/20A98/162968/20201208090425848_20A98%20Response%20in%20Opposition%20efile.pdf


do you have the balls to wager on the outcome at SCOTUS?

 

[Ikari]

Communists live in a fantasy world. Mostly comic book fantasy, all problems can be solved by super powers, Antman or Iron Man will save us. Hence the Maoists project that onto the normals as well, thinking we MUST fantasize that we are in a Rambo movie, as they fantasize about being in comic books.

But that isn't the case. Donald Trump stands up to the Maoist press and gives what he gets. Decent Americans like that. Seeing the little Goebbels like Jim the Accoster called out as the lying scum demagogues they are is a breath of fresh air. We're tired of Mitt Romney weenies who let Candy Crowley lie without any sort of response.

Trump doesn't want to be Rambo, Trump wants to be Trump, America want's Trump to be Trump.

Well according to the election we just recently had, America wants Trump to go home.

 

[GolfingChef]

America want's Trump to be Trump.

yes we do. but we do not want Trump to be president. or at least 81 million people do not

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yes, they did pass the law....in Oct 2019. People had 180 days from them to fight the law.

Act No. 77 of 2019 - The Official Website of the Pennsylvania General Assembly

Information on Pennsylvania Laws. Find Acts on General Legislation Approved and how an act affected other legislation

www.legis.state.pa.us

No, this is false.

Act 77 provided the following provision;

{

Sec. 14. Absentee voting.

(a) The Legislature shall, by general law, provide a manner in which … qualified electors who … are unable to attend at their proper polling places because of illness or physical disability … may vote, and for the return and canvass of their votes in the district in which they respectively reside.
}

The legislature amended the law in regard to those who " are unable to attend at their proper polling places because of illness or physical disability"

Wolfe, by executive fiat, extended this to all voters, a violation of the PA Constitution.