OWS in D.C push 78 yr old woman down steps... The left must be so proud.

[Boo Radley]

Well... It seem to ME that

A. The push of the old ladies were not intentional.
B. The striking of the people in the vehicles were not intentional.

However, even with both side injuries being unintentional... we have........

A. Police on scene who recieved reports that the OWS people jumped in front of the vehicle, and thus, the driver cannot be looked at in a negative light for striking them.
B. Video evidence that OWS protesters are attempting to physically restrain people leaving that building from walking through, which is what MAY (most likely) have caused the ladies to fall...... this tactic is unlawful in itself... so to believe that the protesters have the right to do this and unintentionally cause harm to someone is assinine at best.

I never said they had the right to harm anyone. However, we have not seen enough to know that the lady was pushed down intentionally. We actually could not see it at all. We do see concerned people, and that included protesters.

As for rights, not arguing they had the right to block people. However, I do argue all sides need to behave with more calm, more reason, and less emotion. Sometimes force will beget more force. Both sides should understand that.

Also, it is true I'm more forgiving of young people. True. I would find it more impressive when a young person exercises reason over emotion. It is remarkable when that happens. Just as it is remarkable when a mature person shows lack of reasoning ability and cannot control his or her emotion.

 

[Ockham]

I have no problem with their core message.

I don't necessarily agree with it, because there doesn't seem to be anything to it other than "Im pissed few people have more than the many"

But sure, protest away.

But don't...
A. Vandalize.
B. Burn.
C. Assault others.
D. Obstruct others from carrying out their business.
E. Bitch and Moan when you are arrested. The Classic Civil Disobedience model is to take pride in getting arrested for your cause, not piss and moan like a baby about it.

I'd add to your list: No deficating on the steps of banks too, like in Eureka CA (Occupy Eureka implicated).
Eureka Police Accuse Occupiers of Defecation, Assault | Blogthing | North Coast Journal | Humboldt County

Heard about that latest one? This is Humbolt County, so it's the weed capital of the U.S. and I'm guessing someone rolled a big one then dropped a big one from the OWS group.

 

[Caine]

I'd add to your list: No deficating on the steps of banks too, like in Eureka CA (Occupy Eureka implicated).
Eureka Police Accuse Occupiers of Defecation, Assault | Blogthing | North Coast Journal | Humboldt County

Heard about that latest one? This is Humbolt County, so it's the weed capital of the U.S. and I'm guessing someone rolled a big one then dropped a big one from the OWS group.

Whoaaaaah Duuuuude!!!!!

Not surprised in the least at this point.

More and more and more reports of ignorant and disorderly behavior are plaguing this group......

They have zero credibility at this point.

 

[Ockham]

Whoaaaaah Duuuuude!!!!!

Not surprised in the least at this point.

More and more and more reports of ignorant and disorderly behavior are plaguing this group......

They have zero credibility at this point.

Yet we're supposed to buy and swallow the pablum that OWS is just like the TP according to some... I have a hard time imagining a 54 year old electrician with his wife, dropping a deuce in front of Pelosi's office door as part of a TP protest.... :lol:

 

[What if...?]

you can believe anything you want to believe.


i'm not one to post links anymore.. i've been at this online political debate thing for a decade, and i've learned not to do homework for other people.
I've found that if they are actually interested in the subject matter, they'll do their own looking around.... if they won't do their own research, they aren't interested in in the facts of the case.

I'm not a big link poster myself, for the same reason.

But I do do my own research and I'm finding a distressing lack of corroboration of a lot of stuff and a number of outright falsehoods. Hundreds of search hits ALL referencing the same original piece.

A smear campaign is being waged. That's clear.

Unfortunately this makes it hard to tell truth from fiction.

 

[Wake]

I'd add to your list: No deficating on the steps of banks too, like in Eureka CA (Occupy Eureka implicated).
Eureka Police Accuse Occupiers of Defecation, Assault | Blogthing | North Coast Journal | Humboldt County

Heard about that latest one? This is Humbolt County, so it's the weed capital of the U.S. and I'm guessing someone rolled a big one then dropped a big one from the OWS group.

Whoaaaaah Duuuuude!!!!!

Not surprised in the least at this point.

More and more and more reports of ignorant and disorderly behavior are plaguing this group......

They have zero credibility at this point.

Yet we're supposed to buy and swallow the pablum that OWS is just like the TP according to some... I have a hard time imagining a 54 year old electrician with his wife, dropping a deuce in front of Pelosi's office door as part of a TP protest.... :lol:

Perhaps my view is altered a bit, seeing that with the OWS there is no "few" that are starting trouble.

 

[Caine]

I'm not a big link poster myself, for the same reason.

But I do do my own research and I'm finding a distressing lack of corroboration of a lot of stuff and a number of outright falsehoods. Hundreds of search hits ALL referencing the same original piece.

A smear campaign is being waged. That's clear.

Unfortunately this makes it hard to tell truth from fiction.

I think the media is getting the story....

Its the protesters that are trying to CHANGE the reality.

The protesters are doing the equivalent of walking right up to a person who is standing next to a police officer and punching that person in the face, and when when getting arrested screams, "I DIDN'T DO NUTTIN' .... I DIDN'T DO NUTTIN' ....... I DIDN'T DO NUTTIN' ...... I DIDN'T DO NUTTIN' ....... I DIDN'T DO NUTTIN'.. "

 

[Boo Radley]

Yet we're supposed to buy and swallow the pablum that OWS is just like the TP according to some... I have a hard time imagining a 54 year old electrician with his wife, dropping a deuce in front of Pelosi's office door as part of a TP protest.... :lol:

No, OWS is largely made up of young silly people while the TP is largely made up of older, more mature silly people. :coffeepap

 

[Wake]

Out of curiousity, how trashy would you rate the OWS? Based on my experience the TP has been rather neat/clean, while, well, non-TP groups spread their garbage.

 

[Boo Radley]

Out of curiousity, how trashy would you rate the OWS? Based on my experience the TP has been rather neat/clean, while, well, non-TP groups spread their garbage.

Young people tend to be less neat. Is this surprising?

 

[cpwill]

The authorities aren't protecting the ordinary citizens nor the businesses in these areas. Some of them are closing up shop because they've been ruined by these mobsters. It's time the police departments in the various cities were given the authority to protect the rest of us from the crimes these people are committing. Since we can't know which ones are the rabble-rousers...roust them all.

It's time. The majority of these people don't know how to protest. Enough already.

you are absolutely correct - this is a government enabled protest movement.

...On Wednesday, the “Occupy Oakland” occupiers rampaged through the city, shutting down the nation’s fifth-busiest port, forcing stores to close, terrorizing those residents foolish enough to commit the reactionary crime of “shopping,” destroying ATMs, spraying the Christ the Light Cathedral with the insightful observation “F**k,” etc. And how did the Oakland city council react? The following day they considered a resolution to express their support for “Occupy Oakland” and to call on the city administration to “collaborate with protesters.”...

this was after they had released and encouraged their public employees to take part in said rioting. these people want you to "collaborate" with them in the destruction of their own city. welcome to the era of the pro-government anarchy.

 

[Caine]

you are absolutely correct - this is a government enabled protest movement.



this was after they had released and encouraged their public employees to take part in said rioting. these people want you to "collaborate" with them in the destruction of their own city. welcome to the era of the pro-government anarchy.

Well, when the city falls into complete chaos.... They better not call on the federal government or the National Guard to help them out.

**** them.
The feds should let them burn.

 

[MaggieD]

you are absolutely correct - this is a government enabled protest movement.

this was after they had released and encouraged their public employees to take part in said rioting. these people want you to "collaborate" with them in the destruction of their own city. welcome to the era of the pro-government anarchy.

"Absolutely correct" back atcha, CP. The mayor has done a deplorable job of protecting the city. She's toast.

 

[cpwill]

it really is becoming those who live off of the productive v the productive. the 'takers' are turning on their own food supply.

 

[Disputatious71]

Young people tend to be less neat. Is this surprising?

Depending on if you mean toddler young or young adult... maybe !

 

[cpwill]

"Absolutely correct" back atcha, CP. The mayor has done a deplorable job of protecting the city. She's toast.

well one can only hope. I understand even in liberal New York people are starting to get fed up with these bozos.

 

[soccerboy22]

Young people tend to be less neat. Is this surprising?

Plus Tea Party rallies tend to be 3 hour events. The OWS is camping out, which will lend itself to be more messy.

 

[Boo Radley]

Depending on if you mean toddler young or young adult... maybe !

Are young adults, 17-20 known for being neat, mature folks? Even Bush said when he was young and stupid, he was young and stupid. I'm sure that's true for many, if not you or CP.

 

[Boo Radley]

Plus Tea Party rallies tend to be 3 hour events. The OWS is camping out, which will lend itself to be more messy.

Well, yeah. But apples to tree frog comparisons are hard. Cut them some slack. :coffeepap

 

[Higgins86]

wow its a good thing Americans were not like most of you back in the day otherwise instead of seeing barrels of tea thrown into Boston harbour the British would of been up to their heads in strongly worded letters and threats for organised protests at a time and place to be decided by the British.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Plus Tea Party rallies tend to be 3 hour events. The OWS is camping out, which will lend itself to be more messy.

If I'm not mistaken, camping out at these place, is illegal.
In my opinion, it should be strictly enforced.

Should cut down on the litter some.

 

[Boo Radley]

wow its a good thing Americans were not like most of you back in the day otherwise instead of seeing barrels of tea thrown into Boston harbour the British would of been up to their heads in strongly worded letters and threats for organised protests at a time and place to be decided by the British.

Well, for some it is all in who is doing the protesting. If they agree with it, all is fair. If not, you're terrible people. :coffeepap

 

[Caine]

If I'm not mistaken, camping out at these place, is illegal.
In my opinion, it should be strictly enforced.

Should cut down on the litter some.

If not the litter, at least it will cut down on the drug overdoses and spread of sexually transmitted diseases.

Plus, we won't have to worry about a six month long special on Maury titled "I got pregnant at an Occupy Rally and don't know who the daddy is!"

 

[soccerboy22]

If I'm not mistaken, camping out at these place, is illegal.
In my opinion, it should be strictly enforced.

Should cut down on the litter some.

Some had, if I remember correctly, permits. And again, that is a legit complaint about the group.

 

[cpwill]

Are young adults, 17-20 known for being neat, mature folks? Even Bush said when he was young and stupid, he was young and stupid. I'm sure that's true for many, if not you or CP.

actually that's precisely what we are saying. these aren't some enlightened souls out there fighting the evils of society in a way deserving of the fetishization many have demonstrated towards them. they're a bunch of spoiled idiot kids; pissed off that they've reached the end of the gravy train.