Outrage as Newt Gingrich says Capitol attack investigators could be jailed

[TomFitz]

Lady, look.

Violent mobs rioted at both police stations amd federal courthouses all across America. And one also rioted at the capital on January 6th.

The only real difference is that several riots were on behalf of the status quo, and one was opposed.

So the real question is, that as a woman who proclaims herself to "take offense to the status quo", then exactly what reality do you really subscribe to?

Your post makes no sense at all.

Riots happened in 1968. I don’t remember any in the 1970’s, at least not after the Viet Nam war began to wind down.

Riots and protests broke out in the wake of covid and several police shootings and hate crimes became public news.

None of them were staged for the express intent of overthrowing the government of the United Sates, nullifying an election and installing the loser

You can’t say it didn’t happen. We all own a TV.

You can’t say that the mob didn’t think they were staging an insurrection, because they said so, and said that Trump told them to do it.

You can’t say there wasn’t a conspiracy, because we have several written drafts of it, all liked directly to the White House and to Trump as well.

What Trump nation wanted was a new status quo, with one fuhrer, no laws other than his whim, and a police state.

 

[Hughinn]

Wrong. The other riots shouldn't be allowed to continue and people appropriately punished. But only 1 directly attacked American Democracy. No other riot attempted to violently overturn the results of the election, just 1 riot did that.

You're just parroting the party propaganda line flawlessly. Sedition enablers aren't fighting for the Republic, that is certain.

"The racial-justice uprising sparked by George Floyd’s killing in May was not primarily a political movement. The organizers who helped lead it wanted to harness its momentum for the election"

- Time magazine February of 2021. And they're bragging about it.

It looks like all those riots had exactly the same objective : to subvert or influence democracy to affect the outcome of the election.

The only thing different is that one was against the establishment and the status quo and the other was the establishment itself protecting the status quo.

For a lady that "takes offense to the status quo" you go through very great effort to defend it.

The other riots weren't just allowed to continue, they were organized and promoted by the people in charge and funded by corporate America. This was the establishment and the ruling class "subverting democracy" to affect the outcome of the election and purge an interloper from thier circle.

 

[Ikari]

"The racial-justice uprising sparked by George Floyd’s killing in May was not primarily a political movement. The organizers who helped lead it wanted to harness its momentum for the election"

- Time magazine February of 2021. And they're bragging about it.

It looks like all those riots had exactly the same objective : to subvert or influence democracy to affect the outcome of the election.

The only thing different is that one was against the establishment and the status quo and the other was the establishment itself protecting the status quo.

For a lady that "takes offense to the status quo" you go through very great effort to defend it.

The other riots weren't just allowed to continue, they were organized and promoted by the people in charge and funded by corporate America. This was the establishment and the ruling class "subverting democracy" to affect the outcome of the election and purge an interloper from thier circle.

I disagreed with the continued riots, I don't think they should have been allowed just to go on and that those who were committing crimes should have been arrested and properly charged.

But saying that one wants to carry momentum into the election is a FAR cry from attacking Congress for the purpose of disrupting the recording of the EC vote in an attempt to undo the results of the election.

Also...

 

[Hughinn]

I disagreed with the continued riots, I don't think they should have been allowed just to go on and that those who were committing crimes should have been arrested and properly charged.

But saying that one wants to carry momentum into the election is a FAR cry from attacking Congress for the purpose of disrupting the recording of the EC vote in an attempt to undo the results of the election.

Also...

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At least we agree that the corporate sponsored democrat party riots were handled much differently than they should have been.

Equality before the law is the most basic tenet of American jurisprudence and ideals.

That aside, your not looking at this objectively at all. You're assuming that everyone there at the capital that day had the intention of violently assaulting somebody and that's simply not the case.

That would be the same thing as me accusing everyone who participated in the leftist riots of 2020 as antifa members. I understand that ain't the case. And neither is your accusations.

A protest against a political process is a very common theme all throughout American history. Whether it be jury ruling, an enactment of an unpopular law or anything else.

Often a protest leads to chaos that's taken advantage of criminal elements with different intentions. Like the small group of radicalized liberal kids who tried to burn down a federal courthouse with people inside. The intentions of the few who threw firebombs in the building and shit bags at cops were much different than the majority of people there who attended for civil reasons. Not everyone had the intention of killing the people in the courthouse and laying siege to the building. But a few did.

And so it's the same with the riot at the capital. There's absolutely nothing wrong with protesting any political process. It happens all the time. That's not "insurrection".

There may have well been a dozen or so individuals with intentions much different than protesting. And it looks like they've been arrested. All 11 of them. That's one hell of an "insurrection" ain't it?

No. It's not. There was fundamentally no difference between the two riots except for the political leanings of the people involved. And the people behind the scenes.

Corporate America and the democrat party spawned the riots of 2020 because they thought it would benefit them politically. They wanted to do harm to an interloper who had forced himself into the circle of power. He wasn't one of them and they wanted him gone at all costs. It didn't matter that he was legally elected. That's called subversion of democracy right there

Donald Trump stirred up the crowd on Jan 6 because he thought it would benefit him politically.

No different.

You're protecting the status quo. You're making excuses and arguing semantics to defend the status quo.
You say you have contempt for the status quo. But you helped it restore it's power.

Why?

 

[Ikari]

At least we agree that the corporate sponsored democrat party riots were handled much differently than they should have been.

Equality before the law is the most basic tenet of American jurisprudence and ideals.

That aside, your not looking at this objectively at all. You're assuming that everyone there at the capital that day had the intention of violently assaulting somebody and that's simply not the case.

That would be the same thing as me accusing everyone who participated in the leftist riots of 2020 as antifa members. I understand that ain't the case. And neither is your accusations.

A protest against a political process is a very common theme all throughout American history. Whether it be jury ruling, an enactment of an unpopular law or anything else.

Often a protest leads to chaos that's taken advantage of criminal elements with different intentions. Like the small group of radicalized liberal kids who tried to burn down a federal courthouse with people inside. The intentions of the few who threw firebombs in the building and shit bags at cops were much different than the majority of people there who attended for civil reasons. Not everyone had the intention of killing the people in the courthouse and laying siege to the building. But a few did.

And so it's the same with the riot at the capital. There's absolutely nothing wrong with protesting any political process. It happens all the time. That's not "insurrection".

There may have well been a dozen or so individuals with intentions much different than protesting. And it looks like they've been arrested. All 11 of them. That's one hell of an "insurrection" ain't it?

No. It's not. There was fundamentally no difference between the two riots except for the political leanings of the people involved. And the people behind the scenes.

Corporate America and the democrat party spawned the riots of 2020 because they thought it would benefit them politically. They wanted to do harm to an interloper who had forced himself into the circle of power. He wasn't one of them and they wanted him gone at all costs. It didn't matter that he was legally elected. That's called subversion of democracy right there

Donald Trump stirred up the crowd on Jan 6 because he thought it would benefit him politically.

No different.

You're protecting the status quo. You're making excuses and arguing semantics to defend the status quo.
You say you have contempt for the status quo. But you helped it restore it's power.

Why?

The difference being (well despite that Corporate America bullshit) is that Trump was lining up fake electors and the 1/6 Sedition was launched specifically to interfere with the election and halt Biden from being declared the leader.

 

[TomFitz]

At least we agree that the corporate sponsored democrat party riots were handled much differently than they should have been.

Equality before the law is the most basic tenet of American jurisprudence and ideals.

That aside, your not looking at this objectively at all. You're assuming that everyone there at the capital that day had the intention of violently assaulting somebody and that's simply not the case.

That would be the same thing as me accusing everyone who participated in the leftist riots of 2020 as antifa members. I understand that ain't the case. And neither is your accusations.

A protest against a political process is a very common theme all throughout American history. Whether it be jury ruling, an enactment of an unpopular law or anything else.

Often a protest leads to chaos that's taken advantage of criminal elements with different intentions. Like the small group of radicalized liberal kids who tried to burn down a federal courthouse with people inside. The intentions of the few who threw firebombs in the building and shit bags at cops were much different than the majority of people there who attended for civil reasons. Not everyone had the intention of killing the people in the courthouse and laying siege to the building. But a few did.

And so it's the same with the riot at the capital. There's absolutely nothing wrong with protesting any political process. It happens all the time. That's not "insurrection".

There may have well been a dozen or so individuals with intentions much different than protesting. And it looks like they've been arrested. All 11 of them. That's one hell of an "insurrection" ain't it?

No. It's not. There was fundamentally no difference between the two riots except for the political leanings of the people involved. And the people behind the scenes.

Corporate America and the democrat party spawned the riots of 2020 because they thought it would benefit them politically.

Donald Trump stirred up the crowd on Jan 6 because he thought it would benefit him politically.

No different.

So, which imaginary corporations sponsored these “Democratic” riots????

Evidence, please?

(not that I am counting on that).

The rest of it was so self serving and ridiculous that the false equivilancy is hardly worth the effort.

 

[Hughinn]

The difference being (well despite that Corporate America bullshit) is that Trump was lining up fake electors and the 1/6 Sedition was launched specifically to interfere with the election and halt Biden from being declared the leader.

To be clear, you're suggesting that because corporate interests and the democrat party were behind the violence of the 2020 riots, then therefore it's benign and because "the bad orange man" stirred up his supporters it's "sedition".

And you still stick by your statement that the entire crowd at Jan 6 had the same monolithic purpose of "overthrowing the government" without any organized plan of action or weapons.

Let's be clear about what you mean. Because you claim to be against the status quo.

 

[Ikari]

To be clear, you're suggesting that because corporate interests and the democrat party were behind the violence of the 2020 riots, then therefore it's benign and because "the bad orange man" stirred up his supporters it's "sedition".

And you still stick by your statement that the entire crowd at Jan 6 had the same monolithic purpose of "overthrowing the government" without any organized plan of action or weapons.

Let's be clear about what you mean. Because you claim to be against the status quo.

I mean, they weren't. But I know that conspiracy theory plays well on OAN and thus you'll repeat it.

The purpose of 1/6 was to halt the recording of the EC vote and overturn the results of the elections. If some morons went along with the assault on Congress, the Constitution, and Democracy because they thought it would be cool; that's on them.

 

[Hughinn]

I mean, they weren't. But I know that conspiracy theory plays well on OAN and thus you'll repeat it.

The purpose of 1/6 was to halt the recording of the EC vote and overturn the results of the elections. If some morons went along with the assault on Congress, the Constitution, and Democracy because they thought it would be cool; that's on them.

They weren't behind it? Really?

What do you suppose joe Biden and Kamala Harris thought would happen when they lied about the shooting of Jakob Blake for example? You think they didn't know what happen?

After an entire summer of complete lawlessness and destruction, your saying they didn't know what happen when they lied? When joe Biden issued a statement like
"Another innocent black man shot by police"
"We are at a deflection point"
"These shots peirced the soul of our nation"
"We must fight".

That didn't know that they were saying and what was going to happen.

Be clear about it.

Kamala Harris saying the riots "should not stop until election day".

They didn't know what they were doing when they said that and promoted bail funds for the ones who got arrested.

Be clear on this.

 

[Ikari]

They weren't behind it? Really?

What do you suppose joe Biden and Kamala Harris thought would happen when they lied about the shooting of Jakob Blake for example? You think they didn't know what happen?

After an entire summer of complete lawlessness and destruction, your saying they didn't know what happen when they lied? When joe Biden issued a statement like
"Another innocent black man shot by police"
"We are at a deflection point"
"These shots peirced the soul of our nation"
"We must fight".

That didn't know that they were saying and what was going to happen.

Be clear about it.

Kamala Harris saying the riots "should not stop until election day".

They didn't know what they were doing when they said that and promoted bail funds for the ones who got arrested.

Be clear on this.

WTF are you even going on about? Corporations spurring riots and blah blah blah.

You're really going off the rails to excuse sedition.

 

[Hughinn]

WTF are you even going on about? Corporations spurring riots and blah blah blah.

You're really going off the rails to excuse sedition.

So your not willing to honestly answer me?

Did they not know what they were doing?

 

[bomberfox]

WTF are you even going on about? Corporations spurring riots and blah blah blah.

You're really going off the rails to excuse sedition.

I mean i would not be surprised it the republican party itself funded the riots at local polling locations. They did it in 2000

 

[Rawley]

They want to arrest political opposition. It's not just their party leads, how many times have we seen someone on this very message board say Democrats should be jailed as a threat to the nation?

Uh, it's what your party has been doing for five years. Karma's a bitch.

 

[Ikari]

So your not willing to honestly answer me?

Did they not know what they were doing?

Why throw out accusations of dishonesty? You're the one claiming the riots were funded by Corporations. That conspiracy trash may fly on Parlor but not here. You're using it as an excuse to not discuss the 1/6 sedition.

 

[Hughinn]

Why throw out accusations of dishonesty? You're the one claiming the riots were funded by Corporations. That conspiracy trash may fly on Parlor but not here. You're using it as an excuse to not discuss the 1/6 sedition.

BLM recieved millions of dollars in donations from corporate America. That's a fact , not a theory.

A large part of that money went to the democrat party. That's a fact, not a theory.

BLM is not poor underprivileged Americans seeking to be heard. It's college educated university trained activists backed by corporate money and the democrat party. That's a fact, not a conspiracy.

Now, answer the question.

Do you think they didn't know what they were doing?

Be clear about this. Be honest.

You'll see how it all ties together if you just be honest.

 

[Ikari]

BLM recieved millions of dollars in donations from corporate America. That's a fact , not a theory.

A large part of that money went to the democrat party. That's a fact, not a theory.

BLM is not poor underprivileged Americans seeking to be heard. It's college educated university trained activists backed by corporate money and the democrat party. That's a fact, not a conspiracy.

Now, answer the question.

Do you think they didn't know what they were doing?

That doesn't mean that was funding riots, lol. That's quite the leap in logic you're making.

 

[Hughinn]

That doesn't mean that was funding riots, lol. That's quite the leap in logic you're making.

Then where else did they get the money? These are paid activists. Not disenfranchised Americans.

Kamala Harris promoted bail funds for the activists who got themselves arrested.

Did they not know what they were doing?

Be honest here. Stop deflecting and answer me.

 

[Ikari]

Then where else did they get the money? These are paid activists. Not disenfranchised Americans.

Kamala Harris promoted bail funds for the activists who got themselves arrested.

Did they not know what they were doing?

Be honest here. Stop deflecting and answer me.

They had protests, they had staff, they had activities to participate in the political system.

Do you have any proof that they paid rioters or anything?

Be honest here.

 

[Hughinn]

They had protests, they had staff, they had activities to participate in the political system.

Do you have any proof that they paid rioters or anything?

Be honest here.

Another deflection. How would I know if they paid the rioters? They certainly paid the activists and organizers. Nobody denys that

Now answer the question

Did they not know what they were doing?

Just be honest and answer the question.

 

[Ikari]

Another deflection. How would I know if they paid the rioters? They certainly paid the activists.

Answer the question

Did they not know what they were doing?

Just be honest and answer the question.

Exactly, you don't know. You're making assumptions to claim that the riots last summer were funded by corporations.

lol

I don't think YOU know what you're doing here.

 

[Hughinn]

Exactly, you don't know. You're making assumptions to claim that the riots last summer were funded by corporations.

lol

I don't think YOU know what you're doing here.

So your going to bullshit me now?

You won't honestly answer me because we both already know the answer, and if ponder that answer the reality will show itself.

Paid activists and organizers. Paid by donations from corporate America.
Google and Facebook gave them 10 million dollars each.


Violent riots. Media distortion and lies from democrat party politicians.

All to affect the outcome of a political process.

Sounds like "sedition" doesn't it?

 

[Ikari]

So your going to bullshit me now?

You won't honestly answer me because we both already know the answer, and if ponder that answer the reality will show itself.

Paid activists and organizers. Paid by donations from corporate America.
Google and Facebook gave them 10 million dollars each.


Violent riots. Media distortion and lies from democrat party politicians.

All to affect the outcome of a political process.

Sounds like "sedition" doesn't it?

I'm not bullshitting you. You're the one claiming that corporations were for some reason funding the riots last summer.

BLM may have been moving to have a political impact, that's not illegal. All sorts of people, organizations, and corporations do that. That's not illegal. Attacking Congress specifically to disrupt the recording of the EC results in an attempt to overthrow the election results IS illegal, however.

 

[Hughinn]

I'm not bullshitting you. You're the one claiming that corporations were for some reason funding the riots last summer.

BLM may have been moving to have a political impact, that's not illegal. All sorts of people, organizations, and corporations do that. That's not illegal. Attacking Congress specifically to disrupt the recording of the EC results in an attempt to overthrow the election results IS illegal, however.

So your not going to answer me.

Did they not know what they were doing?

Besides, it's not illegal to protest ANY political process. EC counting included. FYI.

Now answer the question for the last time. Because if you refuse to be honest and debate openly then we're done here.

Answer the question

 

[Ikari]

So your not going to answer me.

Did they not know what they were doing?

Besides, it's not illegal to protest ANY political process. EC counting included. FYI.

Now answer the question for the last time. Because if you refuse to be honest and debate openly then we're done here.

Answer the question

It's not illegal to protest. It is illegal to sack Congress in an attempt to overthrow the election.

 

[Hughinn]

It's not illegal to protest. It is illegal to sack Congress in an attempt to overthrow the election.

Congress didn't get sacked. A protest turned into a riot. It obviously happens sometimes.

Last chance.

Answer the question. Did they not know what they were doing?