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Outrage as Newt Gingrich says Capitol attack investigators could be jailed

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The Russian collusion delusion was considered a serious charge so it was investigated by the Left using the power of Government. The voter fraud was also a very serious charge, but it was never investigated suing A Mueller style power of government investigation. There is an injustice to this.

The Democrat claim voter fraud was debunked, but how can it be debunked if there was no formal Federal investigation to determine this? The only investigation was done by the private sector. Private funding to sue and investigate the voter fraud claim did not have the power to dig into classified areas of intel, and to use federal resources such as the FBI and other investigative agencies. A private venue for investigation of serious charges can only scratch the surface and cannot dig into areas where the bodies are buried.

Newt is telling the Republicans they will the opportunity to make this right. They will be able to perform the deep dive using the power of Government. It will be obvious that laws that were broken by the Democrats as they formed their kangaroo courts. Jail all be in order. The Republican never play hardball, but this may change in the fall.

The kangaroo court never asked why Nancy Pelosi did not accept the National Gurard troops offered by Trump. This would have prevented the entire scam. Was Pelosi's choice designed to make this situation worse that it should have been? And who else was part of this conspiracy to railroad people? These questions need to be asked. The kangaroo court is avoiding this by violating the rules of the House in terms of the composition of the tribunal. Is this part of a conspiracy?
Did you know that McConnell was on the same Capitol Seciruty committee that declined the additional NG? And did you know that the fact is that trump gave approval for NG mobiization to General Milley several days before J6?

Since there already was pre approval, why did the NG not arrive until later in the evening?
If Mitch was on the same committee that declined the additional NG, doesn't he share the blame?

 

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In other words, you refuse to honestly answer me.

I'd bet that you can't even explain why you can't be honest and answer the question.

Did they not know what they were doing?

It's sad that you can't be honest. It's such a simple question. Yes or no.
I've been nothing but honest, it's you trying to blame race riots on corporations and the Democrats and trying to say that those riots are comparable to an actual act that purposefully attempted to overthrow our democracy. It's because you need the deflection, you need the excuse, because you won't condemn the 1/6 Sedition for what it is.
 

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I've been nothing but honest, it's you trying to blame race riots on corporations and the Democrats and trying to say that those riots are comparable to an actual act that purposefully attempted to overthrow our democracy. It's because you need the deflection, you need the excuse, because you won't condemn the 1/6 Sedition for what it is.


Then answer the question.

Did they, or did they not know what they were doing when they lied about the shooting of Jakob Blake?

It's a simple question.

And by the way, a bunch of middle class white kids burning down courthouses and black owned stores while chanting "black lives matter" is not a "race riot".

It was political activism.
 

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Did you know that McConnell was on the same Capitol Seciruty committee that declined the additional NG? And did you know that the fact is that trump gave approval for NG mobiization to General Milley several days before J6?

Since there already was pre approval, why did the NG not arrive until later in the evening?
If Mitch was on the same committee that declined the additional NG, doesn't he share the blame?


A lot has come out since this was written.

After this posted, Trump claimed that he had offered the National Guard to Pelosi and she had turned it down.

This claim was spread through right wing social media, and parroted incessantly by his supporters.

There is no evidence that he ever made such an offer.

The observation that the request had to come through the National Park Service and then to the Secretary of Defense is interesting, and it should draw attention to many of the abrupt, last minute, changes in administration personel.

The chain of command was riddled with recently appointed flunkies, who were new in their role, and totally unequipped to cope with the disaster.

That this was done deliberately in order to hamstring National Guard response not only seems likely, but probable.

The military was deeply embarrassed by the way that Trump used them on June 1st of the previous year.

I’m almost certain that the “former cabinet official” quoted in this article is Mike Espey.
 

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@Clicker lll you've got to fully understand why it is these people cannot tell the truth about the reality of the political violence that happened last year.

They've been subjected to heavy indoctrination and hardcore propoganda designed by people well versed and learned in human psychology.

It's doubtful they even understand it and even less likely that they could logically explain it to anybody. Even themselves.

At the end of the day, they've been told what to believe. And you better understand that they do indeed believe it. It's a lie and a paradox , but they still wholeheartedly believe it because they were told to. And they want to. It doesn't matter that it doesn't make sense.

"Sedition" "insurrection" etc, the buzzwords and catchphrases they've been taught are all to the same end. That end is to condemn the political violence that occurred at the capital and tie it to the people who disagree with them politically so the can hate and blame "the other side". That's easy to understand and some of them may even understand that much.

But they don't understand why they can't tell the truth about the summer riots of 2020.

It's because the BLM and antifa riots of 2020 were egged on, funded, organized and supported by the democrat party and the corporate media. Those riots were not the riots of the past where destitute and desperate people were trying to make their voices heard. Because people who agree with them control virtually every institution in this country.

BLM and antifa are college educated university trained activists financed and backed by large corporate donations and supported by the democrat party. The political violence these people propogated and organized the summer of 2020 in addition to the lies the media and even Joe Biden and Kamala Harris themselves told were all to the same end.

They created chaos and political violence intentionally to use as a bludgeon to bully and intimidate the people of this country in order to affect the outcome of the election. Those BLM/DNC riots were not directed at a ruling class that wouldn't listen to thier demands. Because the people in power are all on their side. Those riots were directed AT AMERICAN PEOPLE. TO PUNISH AND BULLY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Now, if these liberals ever admitted why their propoganda networks egged on violence. And why thier leadership lied and misconstrued facts to propagate that violence they'd be forced to acknowledge that what they did was sedition.

They used violence and chaos to bully the American people in order to affect the outcome of the election. A political process.

The exact same thing they howl and cry foul over about the riot at the capital being committed to bully the political process happening in the building.

They did, exactly what they howl and bewail everyone else did. And they can't be honest because if they did, they would no longer have a leg to stand on in the "sedition" debate and the double standard being applied to the justice served. None of the organizers of those riots that burned down police stations and courthouses will ever face any charges. That BLM activist last year that got rich from organizing the riots and getting huge donations. She bought a multi million dollar home in all white topenga canyon with the other rich angelinos just 15 minutes from the Malibu beaches. Do you think they really cared about "helping black people"? That was never the objective

So they lied to themselves. They deflect, connived and created side issues to skirt around the reality of it all.

Dishonest and indoctrinated people do this to protect themselves and thier world view from the truth. Because the truth would wreck thier little world's.
Sorry you wasted all of that bandwidth with projection.
 

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wow. that disregards so much violence, death and destruction that were a definite part of those protests.

It's not my fault right-wingers and Trump supporters are too stupid to recognize there is a difference between peaceful protests and riots. That's your side's fault for intentionally conflating the two groups for political purposes.


what. like declare a portion of a major US city as an autonomous zone?

I think any person or group who tries to establish some sort of independent government within the U.S. should be dealt with harshly to the point of using government-sanctioned violence. And you have to keep in mind there were not that many involved in this autonomous zone in comparison to all the people who protested.


like besiege and burn a federal courthouse or a police station?

Yes, this is bad. Now tell us how many individual people were involved in that crime? Now, compare that number to the tens of millions of people who peacefully protested:



There is no comparison between the random, disorganized violence, and the assault on our Capitol building and attempt to overturn Biden's victory.

In every major city every night there were probably no more than 50 to 100 people engaged in violence. Out of a country of 330 million people that's not a lot. That's enough to be a major headache for local law enforcement. But it was never anywhere close to the END OF THE WORLD that Fox News portrayed every night.
 

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which is probably what 99% of the protesters were effectively doing.

Yeah, something like that, if you are also counting everyone who showed up at D.C. and also at Trump's rally where Trump encouraged them to march on the Capitol Building, and what those 1% did on Jan 6th is still worse than anything that happened in the summer of 2020 because they were trying to overturn an election they lost based on the false allegations of election fraud of the loser, Trump. Congress had to physically remove themselves from the building because of the actions of your political allies.

tell it to democrats who opposed trumps win in '16.

I don't give a shit. I don't care that a few Democrats opposed Trump's win. I didn't. And most Democrats didn't. Now, let's look at the latest poll numbers:


Look at that shit. How ridiculous is that? If you're a Republican and you don't support Trump's bullshit lies, you can't get elected, because Trump's white trash supporters are ignorant and believe that the election was stolen from Trump. Are you kidding me? And you are whining about a few random Democrats in 2016?

What a bunch of crybaby white trash losers.
 
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tell it to the democrat majority House and its two evidence free impeachments.

Now, this is not true.

You must have fooled yourself into believing Trump's lies and forgotten to read the Mueller report.

You must have fooled yourself into believing Trump's lies and forgotten to see the case the House impeachment lawyers put on that described the evidence revealing Trump's attempt to coerce Ukraine into helping him win in 2022.

Trump is not a king. Trump is not above the law. If someone like Trump, even if they are the President, does something suspicious, they must be investigated. Trump is not immune from investigation. And investigating a shady and suspicious character like Trump is not an attempt to overturn an election. In our country no one is above the law.

And Trump is responsible for his own actions. And it's a result of Trump's own actions that he was investigated and impeached. And you lie. You straight up lie when you say there was no evidence. We have this ****er on record saying., "I would like you to do us a favor." That's an abuse of office right there. We have the White House lawyer saying that Trump was trying to shut down the Mueller investigation. That's obstruction right there. We have Trump trying to send Flynn to contact Russian hackers in 2016. That looks an awful lot like someone trying to conspire with the Russian government. now, your advice is that we should just ignore that and pretend Trump is not a lying, piece of shit crook and a conman? That's not how our system works. In our system if someone does things that look suspicious, we take a little look-see, even if it pisses off his political supporters. If you have a problem with the FBI investigating Trump for trying to conspire with the Russian government my advice is for you to tell Trump to stop doing shady and suspicious shit.

All you have is excuses and whataboutisms. You will never take responsibility for the attempt of your political allies to try and make Trump a dictator. Trump is a loser. Trump lost. Get over it.
 

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Now, this is not true.

You must have fooled yourself into believing Trump's lies and forgotten to read the Mueller report.

You must have fooled yourself into believing Trump's lies and forgotten to see the case the House impeachment lawyers put on that described the evidence revealing Trump's attempt to coerce Ukraine into helping him win in 2022.

Trump is not a king. Trump is not above the law. If someone like Trump, even if they are the President, does something suspicious, they must be investigated. Trump is not immune from investigation. And investigating a shady and suspicious character like Trump is not an attempt to overturn an election. In our country no one is above the law.

And Trump is responsible for his own actions. And it's a result of Trump's own actions that he was investigated and impeached. And you lie. You straight up lie when you say there was no evidence. We have this ****er on record saying., "I would like you to do us a favor." That's an abuse of office right there. We have the White House lawyer saying that Trump was trying to shut down the Mueller investigation. That's obstruction right there. We have Trump trying to send Flynn to contact Russian hackers in 2016. That looks an awful lot like someone trying to conspire with the Russian government. now, your advice is that we should just ignore that and pretend Trump is not a lying, piece of shit crook and a conman? That's not how our system works. In our system if someone does things that look suspicious, we take a little look-see, even if it pisses off his political supporters. If you have a problem with the FBI investigating Trump for trying to conspire with the Russian government my advice is for you to tell Trump to stop doing shady and suspicious shit.

All you have is excuses and whataboutisms. You will never take responsibility for the attempt of your political allies to try and make Trump a dictator. Trump is a loser. Trump lost. Get over it.
You musta forgotten the 80K a month job that Hunter goit and Biden threatening the President to stop the Burisma investigation.
 

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just like Al Gore did. right? just like Stacy Abrams in Georgia, right?


Neither Al Gore nor Stacy Abrams lied. Trump lied. They both had legitimate concerns. Their concerns were addressed by our system non-violently as they should be. And they then accepted the results. Trump lied to your face like the con man and loser he is and said there was "MASSIVE WIDESPREAD FRAUD!" There was no massive election fraud. Biden won fair and square. He lied. Trump lied to you. You fell for it. Instead of admitting he lied, you still defend him for his lies. Why is that? Trump lost. Trump lost big time. Trump lost because Trump is a loser. And then Trump's white trash losers tried to violently assault Congress to prevent Biden's victory from being certified by Congress! How stupid and ignorant is that! That's so stupid! And Trump is STILL LYING ABOUT IT!!! Every press release he lies about there being huge election fraud. Why aren't you criticizing Trump for being a piece of shit lying con man who is lying to you every day? There is no comparison. Democrats are the good guys and Trump supporters are bunch of losers who love themselves more than they love their Republic Trump lost. Get over it. Stop whining. Trump supporters are not special. They have to follow the rules. They have to accept they are not always going to get what they want. And, no, Trump supporters are not victims. They are bullies.
 

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Neither Al Gore nor Stacy Abrams lied. Trump lied. They both had legitimate concerns. Their concerns were addressed by our system non-violently as they should be. And they then accepted the results. Trump lied to your face like the con man and loser he is and said there was "MASSIVE WIDESPREAD FRAUD!" There was no massive election fraud. Biden won fair and square. He lied. Trump lied to you. You fell for it. Instead of admitting he lied, you still defend him for his lies. Why is that? Trump lost. Trump lost big time. Trump lost because Trump is a loser. And then Trump's white trash losers tried to violently assault Congress to prevent Biden's victory from being certified by Congress! How stupid and ignorant is that! That's so stupid! And Trump is STILL LYING ABOUT IT!!! Every press release he lies about there being huge election fraud. Why aren't you criticizing Trump for being a piece of shit lying con man who is lying to you every day? There is no comparison. Democrats are the good guys and Trump supporters are bunch of losers who love themselves more than they love their Republic Trump lost. Get over it. Stop whining. Trump supporters are not special. They have to follow the rules. They have to accept they are not always going to get what they want. And, no, Trump supporters are not victims. They are bullies.
Fat girl Stacey never conceded.
 

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Neither Al Gore nor Stacy Abrams lied. Trump lied. They both had legitimate concerns. Their concerns were addressed by our system non-violently as they should be. And they then accepted the results. Trump lied to your face like the con man and loser he is and said there was "MASSIVE WIDESPREAD FRAUD!" There was no massive election fraud. Biden won fair and square. He lied. Trump lied to you. You fell for it. Instead of admitting he lied, you still defend him for his lies. Why is that? Trump lost. Trump lost big time. Trump lost because Trump is a loser. And then Trump's white trash losers tried to violently assault Congress to prevent Biden's victory from being certified by Congress! How stupid and ignorant is that! That's so stupid! And Trump is STILL LYING ABOUT IT!!! Every press release he lies about there being huge election fraud. Why aren't you criticizing Trump for being a piece of shit lying con man who is lying to you every day? There is no comparison. Democrats are the good guys and Trump supporters are bunch of losers who love themselves more than they love their Republic Trump lost. Get over it. Stop whining. Trump supporters are not special. They have to follow the rules. They have to accept they are not always going to get what they want. And, no, Trump supporters are not victims. They are bullies.
the issue was questioning the outcome of an election and trying to "overturn" it. in that case, both examples are spot on.
 

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Now, this is not true.

You must have fooled yourself into believing Trump's lies and forgotten to read the Mueller report.

You must have fooled yourself into believing Trump's lies and forgotten to see the case the House impeachment lawyers put on that described the evidence revealing Trump's attempt to coerce Ukraine into helping him win in 2022.

Trump is not a king. Trump is not above the law. If someone like Trump, even if they are the President, does something suspicious, they must be investigated. Trump is not immune from investigation. And investigating a shady and suspicious character like Trump is not an attempt to overturn an election. In our country no one is above the law.

And Trump is responsible for his own actions. And it's a result of Trump's own actions that he was investigated and impeached. And you lie. You straight up lie when you say there was no evidence. We have this ****er on record saying., "I would like you to do us a favor." That's an abuse of office right there. We have the White House lawyer saying that Trump was trying to shut down the Mueller investigation. That's obstruction right there. We have Trump trying to send Flynn to contact Russian hackers in 2016. That looks an awful lot like someone trying to conspire with the Russian government. now, your advice is that we should just ignore that and pretend Trump is not a lying, piece of shit crook and a conman? That's not how our system works. In our system if someone does things that look suspicious, we take a little look-see, even if it pisses off his political supporters. If you have a problem with the FBI investigating Trump for trying to conspire with the Russian government my advice is for you to tell Trump to stop doing shady and suspicious shit.

All you have is excuses and whataboutisms. You will never take responsibility for the attempt of your political allies to try and make Trump a dictator. Trump is a loser. Trump lost. Get over it.
not true? then why did they not manage to present any actual evidence to support their case?
the mueller report at worst spoke of possible infractions. the whole thing was based on a proven false document but was carried forth in the democrats attempt to overturn the election they lost by having trump kicked out of office.

im not going to rehash two failed impeachments. the results speak for themselves.
 

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the issue was questioning the outcome of an election and trying to "overturn" it. in that case, both examples are spot on.
all Trump had to do was send in the military, amirite? It is garbage that he tried to overturn an election. Stop the nonsense.
 

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Yeah, something like that, if you are also counting everyone who showed up at D.C. and also at Trump's rally where Trump encouraged them to march on the Capitol Building, and what those 1% did on Jan 6th is still worse than anything that happened in the summer of 2020 because they were trying to overturn an election they lost based on the false allegations of election fraud of the loser, Trump. Congress had to physically remove themselves from the building because of the actions of your political allies.



I don't give a shit. I don't care that a few Democrats opposed Trump's win. I didn't. And most Democrats didn't. Now, let's look at the latest poll numbers:


Look at that shit. How ridiculous is that? If you're a Republican and you don't support Trump's bullshit lies, you can't get elected, because Trump's white trash supporters are ignorant and believe that the election was stolen from Trump. Are you kidding me? And you are whining about a few random Democrats in 2016?

What a bunch of crybaby white trash losers.
ah. I see. as a result of the actions of *your* political allies, buildings were burned, businesses destroyed and people were killed.

considering the complete lack of threat to life the trespassers presented, I don't think that they *had* to remove themselves. I also don't believe they just decided to do so, but were directed to do so. now, where did that decision come from? why was the security of the capitol so lax that day when offers had been made to significantly increase it ahead of the rally / protest? Why, after the FBI reported no grand scheme was afoot that day, did the house decide to have their own singularly partisan committee rehash the investigation of the day?

btw, the democrats efforts to ensconce into law the very processes that were put into play in the last election ( sometimes in violation of the constitution ) it seems to me that they are trying to ensure that there is maintained a perpetual and undefeatable majority by their party in our elections.

you and everyone else hangs on the exact use of the word "fraud" but that encompases far more than just the legal definition for which there has been no court rulings that would represent any significant effect on the outcome. the democrat party used the pandemic to get around the law, and it worked. now, no matter what comes out in the end, those actions will never be able to be undone or overturned.
 

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It's not my fault right-wingers and Trump supporters are too stupid to recognize there is a difference between peaceful protests and riots.

well then the images of trump effigies lying in prop guillotines must have been a mirage.
the calls for national guard to assist were demonized by the left, but then suspiciously absent on Jan 6.
some said it was due to "bad optics", but the calls for national guard presence were confirmed in testimony.
those requests were denied.

remember when there was tear gas used? the outrage? the comparisons to violation of the geneva conventions?

you seem to have a quite rosy picture in your remembrance of those riots.
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"Outrage as Newt Gingrich says Capitol attack investigators could be jailed"​

This, from a guy who was the first Speaker of the House to actually shut down our government completely. Was the first Speaker of the House to be fined $300,000 for an ethics violation. Repurposed a charity for inner-city youth into a Republican candidate training platform. Stated that child labor laws should be eliminated for the purpose of having school children work as janitors to help pay for their school lunches. And even went so far as to sneak into the House Chamber at 3 am just so he could film himself firing off angry rebukes at democrats while challenging all who disagreed with him - while no one else was present but him and maybe his camera man - which eventually led to Congress taping the Chamber to avoid any of his future grandstanding. .. Seems to me, Newt is in no position to suggest who should be jailed.
If lack of morals were a crime, Newt would be doing life in prison, in the cell next to trump.
 

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I hope to god they do put those behind the Russia hoax and the Jan 6 hoax in jail. I hope the GOP gets a deep majority in the house and senate and the voters put Trump back in the WH. Then all the whacked out shit the left wanted to do the GOP should do. First thing they should do is build the next biggest voter fraud organization that makes the voter fraud organization of the left look like pee-wee league stuff. Then they should go around and fire every last bureaucrat hired by the left and replace them with die-hard right wing extremists. Next should be to pack the supreme court with another 5 justices and immediately overturn Roe v Wade. Then they should eliminate the filibuster. Then, since the left just loves mandates, they should mandate that every republican voter own a gun and every communist voter wear bright red concentric circles on their clothing. Then down come Google and Facebook to be replaced with right wing platforms. MSNBC and CNN will both have the plug pulled. Any left-wing thought will be fact-checked and deemed misinformation and deleted. Of course, this is all fantasy because the GOP are serious politicians and would never stand for such BS, but that never stopped the dems. Let's hope the GOP are pissed and vow revenge, because it will be sweet for the right and a bitch for the left.
You sound angry about something!
 

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I hope to god they do put those behind the Russia hoax and the Jan 6 hoax in jail. I hope the GOP gets a deep majority in the house and senate and the voters put Trump back in the WH. Then all the whacked out shit the left wanted to do the GOP should do. First thing they should do is build the next biggest voter fraud organization that makes the voter fraud organization of the left look like pee-wee league stuff. Then they should go around and fire every last bureaucrat hired by the left and replace them with die-hard right wing extremists. Next should be to pack the supreme court with another 5 justices and immediately overturn Roe v Wade. Then they should eliminate the filibuster. Then, since the left just loves mandates, they should mandate that every republican voter own a gun and every communist voter wear bright red concentric circles on their clothing. Then down come Google and Facebook to be replaced with right wing platforms. MSNBC and CNN will both have the plug pulled. Any left-wing thought will be fact-checked and deemed misinformation and deleted. Of course, this is all fantasy because the GOP are serious politicians and would never stand for such BS, but that never stopped the dems. Let's hope the GOP are pissed and vow revenge, because it will be sweet for the right and a bitch for the left.
You should definitely hold your breath.
 

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well then the images of trump effigies lying in prop guillotines must have been a mirage.

Something like 18 million people protested. So because a handful of people put up a trump effigy on a guillotine then that means all of them were vicious, violent, rioters? How does that make any sense?

the calls for national guard to assist were demonized by the left, but then suspiciously absent on Jan 6.

I don't know who you're referring to when you use the phrase "the left." It seems like you use the term the "left" to describe everyone who opposes you politically. And if one person does something bad, you say it was "the left" and then you say ALL of the "left" are now responsible for what that one person did, and when you say ALL of the "left" you somehow also include everyone who opposes Trump, and supports these protests, even if they might be liberal, or moderate, or conservative. The phrase the "left" has no meaning anymore. It just means everyone you don't like.

I can't speak for everyone. I am not part of the "left." But I can say that most people simply objected to was mobilization of federal resources against rioters, which was almost entirely a local and state law enforcement issue.

And even on the Left there was a wide variety opinions as to how to respond to the rioters.

some said it was due to "bad optics", but the calls for national guard presence were confirmed in testimony. those requests were denied.

It's not Trump's decision. Sorry. He's not a dictator. And I thought conservatives believed in Federalism? I guess not.


remember when there was tear gas used? the outrage? the comparisons to violation of the geneva conventions?

Nobody cares. Stop whining.

you seem to have a quite rosy picture in your remembrance of those riots.
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There were riots in every city. The vast majority of the people who protested were peaceful.


We have 330 million people in our country. 18 million people peacefully protested during the summer of 2020.

And, yes, we had a few hundred thugs in every major city who lit a few trash cans of fire. It wasn't the end of the world. And you need to get over it. And move on with your life.
 

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ah. I see. as a result of the actions of *your* political allies, buildings were burned, businesses destroyed and people were killed.

The rioters are not my political allies. I don't believe in burning down buildings in protest. Nobody likes them. You keep trying to blame all of the Democratic Party for the actions of the few. But the vast majority of the Democratic Party rejects the rioters entirely. The problem is Trump supporters see somebody with black skin peacefully protesting and they automatically assume that person is going to engage in violence. That's not our fault. That's YOUR fault. You are the one with the problem. You are the one who can't tell the difference between a protester and a rioter.
 

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considering the complete lack of threat to life the trespassers presented, I don't think that they *had* to remove themselves.

I don't think you quite get it. The problem with January 6th was not just the violence. The problem was that white trash Trump supporters, who were mad their hero lost an election, tried to overturn Biden's victory on the basis of false allegations of election fraud. They invaded and ransacked our country's most important governmental buildings in an attempt to destroy Democracy.

That's kind of a big ****ing deal.


I also don't believe they just decided to do so, but were directed to do so. now, where did that decision come from? why was the security of the capitol so lax that day when offers had been made to significantly increase it ahead of the rally / protest? Why, after the FBI reported no grand scheme was afoot that day, did the house decide to have their own singularly partisan committee rehash the investigation of the day?

Have you not been reading the news. Did you not see all those Oathkeepers just get indicted with Seditious Conspiracy?

btw, the democrats efforts to ensconce into law the very processes that were put into play in the last election ( sometimes in violation of the constitution ) it seems to me that they are trying to ensure that there is maintained a perpetual and undefeatable majority by their party in our elections.

Tough shit. Tough shit my friend. Get over it and stop bitching about it.

Yes, you're right. They are trying to make a permanent majority by making it possible for as many people to vote as possible. They are doing this because they know their policies are popular and most people hate Republican policies. And it's totally legally, and Republicans are trying to do the same thing where they have power. And eventually what's going to happen, no matter what, is that Democrats are going to win. Why? Republican policies favor old white rural people and old white rural people are dying off. That's the demographic reality. And that's why Republicans are discouraging voting as much as possible. And that's why white trash Trump supporters have been throwing a hissy fit. Get over it. You already lost. You just haven't realized it yet.

you and everyone else hangs on the exact use of the word "fraud" but that encompases far more than just the legal definition for which there has been no court rulings that would represent any significant effect on the outcome. the democrat party used the pandemic to get around the law, and it worked. now, no matter what comes out in the end, those actions will never be able to be undone or overturned.

No, you're just ignorant of the law. Changing the rules prior to the election to allow people to vote via mail during a pandemic is not fraud. It's a power that election boards and state election officials had. And Trump tried your argument in court and got his ass handed to him. He lost. You do not understand the law. You should not be opining on this topic. You don't know what you're talking about. Get over it. You lost. Move on with your life. Stop whining. In a big country you're not always going to get what you want. Get over it.
 

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Something like 18 million people protested. So because a handful of people put up a trump effigy on a guillotine then that means all of them were vicious, violent, rioters? How does that make any sense?



I don't know who you're referring to when you use the phrase "the left." It seems like you use the term the "left" to describe everyone who opposes you politically. And if one person does something bad, you say it was "the left" and then you say ALL of the "left" are now responsible for what that one person did, and when you say ALL of the "left" you somehow also include everyone who opposes Trump, and supports these protests, even if they might be liberal, or moderate, or conservative. The phrase the "left" has no meaning anymore. It just means everyone you don't like.

I can't speak for everyone. I am not part of the "left." But I can say that most people simply objected to was mobilization of federal resources against rioters, which was almost entirely a local and state law enforcement issue.

And even on the Left there was a wide variety opinions as to how to respond to the rioters.



It's not Trump's decision. Sorry. He's not a dictator. And I thought conservatives believed in Federalism? I guess not.




Nobody cares. Stop whining.



There were riots in every city. The vast majority of the people who protested were peaceful.


We have 330 million people in our country. 18 million people peacefully protested during the summer of 2020.

And, yes, we had a few hundred thugs in every major city who lit a few trash cans of fire. It wasn't the end of the world. And you need to get over it. And move on with your life.
You just made a case that the trespassers were generally peaceful and not representative of real Republicans
 

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not true? then why did they not manage to present any actual evidence to support their case?

There was a lot of evidence in every case? Wtf are you talking about?

Just because you give Trump, your hero, every benefit of the doubt doesn't mean that the evidence presented was not evidence.

the mueller report at worst spoke of possible infractions.

Obstruction of justice is not an "infraction." And while it was not proven, the investigation of Trump and his possible conspiracy with the Russian government was not a potential infraction, it was similar to the crime of Treason. So, you're fooling yourself if you think the investigation of Trump was not important. We had a right to know if Trump conspired with the Russian government. We had the right to know if Trump tried to arbitrarily shut down the Mueller investigation to protect his own hide,

the whole thing was based on a proven false document but was carried forth in the democrats attempt to overturn the election they lost by having trump kicked out of office.

You are lying again. The whole thing was not based on the Steele dossier. And the dossier was not a "proven false document"

As just one example the Crossfire Hurricane investigation began BEFORE the FBI got its hands on the Steele Dossier. And something like 70% of the Steele dossier was proven to be true. So when you say the "whole thing" was based on a "proven false document" you are lying. You are just lying. No ifts, ands, or buts about it. And it's not okay to lie.

You can make a lot of good arguments against the Mueller investigation without lying. You don't have to lie. I don't know why you do it.

And just repeating the same stupid Fox News propaganda a over and over again is not persuasive, at all. You're just repeating the same bullshit propaganda you've been told to believe. It's boring.

im not going to rehash two failed impeachments. the results speak for themselves.

Here's what you don't get with respect to the Russian conspiracy investigation. If we knew the outcome of investigations before investigations ever happened we'd never need to conduct any investigations. Do you get it? Do you understand? So the fact Mueller could not prove conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt doesn't mean the investigation was not legitimate.

With respect to Obstruction, there was clear evidence that Trump abused his office and obstructed justice. The problem isn't that there wasn't sufficient evidence, the problem with respect to that accusation is that Republicans just don't give a shit if a Republican President obstructs justice. They just don't care. That doesn't make it right though.

With respect to Ukraine, we know that a majority of the Senate thought Trump was guilty, but they took the perspective that voters should make the final decision:

 
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