Ottawa's core locked down as police prepare to move on protesters

[TU Curmudgeon]

According to what I cited here it was the DPM that had issued the threat. If I'm not mistaken (and I very well could be because your system of Government is weird) that is like the VP of our country where in the event of the PM being unable to fulfill their obligations the DPM fills in.

You are incorrect. A "Deputy Prime Minister" and there can be more than one of them, gets to exercise ONLY those powers that the Prime Minister tells them they can exercise and can NOT make decisions in the absence of the Prime Minister.

Oh yes, that the Prime Minister can fire a DPM and appoint a new one whenever they feel like it.

Mind you, that goes along with the fact that Canadian political parties can "fire" their leaders (which happens to include the Prime Minister) and select new ones whenever they feel like it too. And, of course, the elected members of Canadian political parties can "fire" their leaders (which happens to include the Prime Minister) and select new ones whenever they feel like it too.

AND, strangely enough, should any of that happen there is neither a "constitutional crisis" nor a breakdown of government.

That seems to suggest it's a threat coming from the Federal, not a provincial politician.

I believe that most Canadian executives know that the Deputy Prime Minister is a federal and not provincial politician.

 

[Mika-El]

I get well tanned by the summer bud….did you know it only rains 4% of the time in London and average summer temps are mid 20’s lol.

We. Conservative and Russian. Concerned about authoritarianism. There have I got it now?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

As I said previously that's seems very punitive. Found guilty before any act has taken place. Bail can be revoked if the conditions of bail has been violated. That's typically how it works here.

Around 6.67% of all Americans who are arrested are completely denied the opportunity to post bail. Around 33.33% of all Americans who are arrested are granted bail in amounts that they cannot possibly post.

 

[Big Eye]

Have at it. I will persevere to maintain a perspective that prefers historical accuracy over skepticism for the sake of skepticism.

The world has changed, the Internet has meant that centralised power has lost the narrative , digital money has meant they are losing power to control us financially …they are seeking to reign us in. In the U.K. the government has openly stated that it wishes to replace fiat money with digital , centralised , government controlled programmable money.

 

[Slartibartfast]

The world has changed, the Internet has meant that centralised power has lost the narrative , digital money has meant they are losing power to control us financially …they are seeking to reign us in. In the U.K. the government has openly stated that it wishes to replace fiat money with digital , centralised , government controlled programmable money.

If this particular spiel is true, then why care what Trudeau is doing or about other authoritarianism? Its all going to go away in a puff of blockchain fueled magic, right?

 

[HennyBogan]

Won’t end well for the Nazi, some crazy will put a bullet in him! Total moron

 

[Mika-El]

Food was never great in your version of heaven…the USSR lol…some of the best restaurants in the world are in the UK …and we don’t just put cheese on shit like yanks…to hide the taste no doubt.

Now you are Russian? We. Conservative, Russian. Anything else you want to share? We.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Not the only one around doing the same.

(Reuters) - President Joe Biden said on Friday the U.S. national emergency declared in March 2020 due to the COVID-19 pandemic will be extended beyond March 1 due to the ongoing risk to public health posed by the coronavirus.​

Biden to extend U.S. national emergency due to COVID-19 health risk

President Joe Biden said on Friday the U.S. national emergency declared in March 2020 due to the COVID-19 pandemic will be extended beyond March 1 due to the ongoing risk to public health posed by the coronavirus. Biden said the deaths of more than 900,000 Americans from COVID-19 emphasized the...

news.yahoo.com

With the COVID numbers falling off of a cliff, not sure how this extension is justified.

"Falling off of a cliff"?

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Doesn't look like it to me.

"Coming down" - yes, "Falling off a cliff" - only if you believe what FOX News tells you and ignore reality.

 

[HennyBogan]

Don’t ya all love some cumming graphs

 

[Allan]

…and we don’t just put cheese on shit

Well you should. I would suggest Irish cheese, to be specific.

 

[Allan]

"Falling off of a cliff"?

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Doesn't look like it to me.

"Coming down" - yes, "Falling off a cliff" - only if you believe what FOX News tells you and ignore reality.

Ouch.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Under our Laws they were conducting an illegal protest
They were informed verbally and with leaflets to leave or these are the possible/probable legal repercussions
They refused
Police moved them out
Canadian protests are often quite different than protests in the US.
Excepting Hockey.
Note I am not slamming the US
Due process was not suspended for anyone
Protest was declared illegal.
They should have decamped

You missed a couple of points.

Protest was declared illegal.

The protesters were granted time to disperse in compliance with the lawfully issued order before any further action would be taken.

The protesters had the opportunity to challenge that declaration.

The protesters declined the opportunity to challenge that declaration.

The protesters were informed what would happen if they did not comply with the lawfully issued order and granted time to disperse in compliance with the lawfully issued order before any further action would be taken.

The protesters chose not to comply with the lawfully issued order when they were in full knowledge of what would happen if they did not comply with the lawfully issued order which they had not challenged.
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(Knowing what the consequences of the actions which they chose to take ) [t]hey should have decamped (unless they were willing to accept the consequences of their own actions).​

 

[JANFU]

This is nothing close to Hitler's actions though. That's just absurd hysterics used. Jews weren't protesting in mass in Berlin under Hitler. They were ****ing hiding in attics because Hitler was actively having them hunted down and killed.

People are really grasping at straws, in a horrible way

Note
Winnipeg Police have stated the time for protesters to leave their Legislature is 5 pm local
Yes they have done that in the past

 

[eohrnberger]

Stop spreading false allegations. No one was beaten up. Provide the evidence.

There was a video posted in this thread which showed 2 cops kneeing and beating a protester who was on the ground.
Given the number of pages this thread has run, not going to be a quick thing to fish it out.
Maybe someone else reading this thread knows where it might be and point it out? If you are lucky.

Russian spam. Save it.

'Anything I don't agree with is 'Russian spam'' Swell. Such on open mind. </sarcasm>

Just because you don't believe that it happened doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

 

[JANFU]

You missed a couple of points.

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Protest was declared illegal.​

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The protesters were granted time to disperse in compliance with the lawfully issued order before any further action would be taken.​

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The protesters had the opportunity to challenge that declaration.​

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The protesters declined the opportunity to challenge that declaration.​

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The protesters were informed what would happen if they did not comply with the lawfully issued order and granted time to disperse in compliance with the lawfully issued order before any further action would be taken.​

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The protesters chose not to comply with the lawfully issued order when they were in full knowledge of what would happen if they did not comply with the lawfully issued order which they had not challenged.​

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(Knowing what the consequences of the actions which they chose to take ) [t]hey should have decamped (unless they were willing to accept the consequences of their own actions).​

Well I do miss things
I also miss being much younger with a full head of hair

 

[Mika-El]

I've heard that some associated with the protest are also being denied bail. Hitler would be flattered by Trudeau.

I bet you hear a lot of things. Now you want to compare Hitler to Trudeau this coming from a Trumpet? Really?
Thanks Vladimir these are brilliant spams.

 

[Mika-El]

There was a video posted in this thread which showed 2 cops kneeing and beating a protester who was on the ground.
Given the number of pages this thread has run, not going to be a quick thing to fish it out.
Maybe someone else reading this thread knows where it might be and point it out? If you are lucky.


'Anything I don't agree with is 'Russian spam'' Swell. Such on open mind. </sarcasm>

Just because you don't believe that it happened doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

What you want to claim to be American? Can you find the US on a map? How about Canada?

Of course its Russian spam. Provide the video. Go on get it and provide it. If am lucky.

species: Vladimirwanna bee

 

[Overitall]

I bet you hear a lot of things. Now you want to compare Hitler to Trudeau this coming from a Trumpet? Really?
Thanks Vladimir these are brilliant spams.

Here.This should make you feel better.

Is it wrong to compare Trump to Hitler? No. | Opinion

As a son of Holocaust survivors, I might be expected to find it offensive to use the Holocaust as a yardstick for the political turmoil caused by Trump. But I don't.

www.inquirer.com

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Yea, one is temporary while the other can be permanent. Having had my own insurance cancelled I was still able to reinstate it. Typically at a higher premium. So in actuality it's a distinction without a difference. Either way one can not drive until a policy is reinstated.

The way that motor vehicle insurance works in Canada is that (with a small exception) it is the vehicle that is insured and not the driver. Thus, if the insurance is suspended on a vehicle, the driver can still drive.

The exception is "under-insured motorist protection" which does attach to the driver and provides coverage where the other driver's insurance doesn't cover the claim.

If someone from Louisiana who carries the state mandated minimum vehicle insurance slams into a Canadian bus loaded with school children and turns 20 of them into paraplegics, the parents are going to have to find some other source to recoup the damages in excess of $1,500 per child that they will be able to cover from the driver's insurance company. That is what "under-insured motorist protection" is for.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

And I'll ask again. What was the "international emergency"?

Whatever the government says it is and the legislative branch doesn't strike down.

Just like it is in the United States of America (except that in the US the wait to even start inquiring into the action of the government can be as long as six months and takes no precedence over ANY other legislative business, while in Canada the inquiry has to start within seven days AND takes precedence over ALL other legislative business.).

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Bail can be revoked if the conditions are violated.

Certainly. And then it would have to be granted immediately, IF one gave even the slightest credence to the "theory of bail" that you previously propounded.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Holocaust denial wins prizes in some circles. Let's not have any delusions about who these people are.

Your comment triggered a question:

How can someone claim that M. Trudeau's actions are the same as sending Hitler sending Jews to the gas chambers at the same time as they deny that there were even any gas chambers?
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???????????????????

 

[Overitall]

The way that motor vehicle insurance works in Canada is that (with a small exception) it is the vehicle that is insured and not the driver. Thus, if the insurance is suspended on a vehicle, the driver can still drive.

No doubt. But usually whenever someone has had their insurance cancelled they are considered a higher risk. Higher risk translates into higher premiums. Get your insurance cancelled once too often and you'll have trouble finding someone to insure you. A driver can drive without insurance, but it's not legal in some parts of the United States. In any case, as has been pointed out, the threat was not carried out so this line of discussion is beating a dead horse for no reason.

The exception is "under-insured motorist protection" which does attach to the driver and provides coverage where the other driver's insurance doesn't cover the claim.

If someone from Louisiana who carries the state mandated minimum vehicle insurance slams into a Canadian bus loaded with school children and turns 20 of them into paraplegics, the parents are going to have to find some other source to recoup the damages in excess of $1,500 per child that they will be able to cover from the driver's insurance company. That is what "under-insured motorist protection" is for.

 

[ecofarm]

Your comment triggered a question:

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How can someone claim that M. Trudeau's actions are the same as sending Hitler sending Jews to the gas chambers at the same time as they deny that there were even any gas chambers?​

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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???????????????????

Nazis don't make sense. They rely on hate.

 

[Overitall]

Certainly. And then it would have to be granted immediately, IF one gave even the slightest credence to the "theory of bail" that you previously propounded.

Doesn't make sense. Did you leave something out?