On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

[AGENT J]

On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

An IRS ruling on same-sex couples is the latest sign that a patchwork of laws on marriage equality may soon be a thing of the past


Read more: IRS ruling on joint returns for gay couples - baltimoresun.com


By Leonard Pitts Jr.6:00 a.m. EDT, September 6, 2013


Abraham Lincoln said it best.


As the drums of disunion began to drown out the softer melodies of comity and reason, Lincoln, a candidate for U.S. Senate, warned a convention of Illinois Republicans that the nation could not escape its moment of decision.
"A house divided against itself cannot stand," he said in a celebrated 1858 speech. "I believe this government cannot endure permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other."

The showdown he foresaw came three years later, when the guns began to fire at Fort Sumter

Today we face another division of the house -- and another looming showdown. This one will not be resolved with guns -- the violence will be rhetorical -- but it will be difficult, nonetheless.
We took a step toward the showdown last week whenthe IRS announced that married, same-sex couples will now be allowed to file joint federal tax returns, just as married opposite-sex couples do. Adam and Steve -- or Keisha and Rose -- will be entitled to all the federal exemptions and deductions marriage provides, even if they live in states that prohibit same-sex marriage. Washington will recognize their union, even if North Carolina does not

Backup link: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/u...l-gay-marriages-regardless-of-state.html?_r=0

another victory for equal rights, slowly but surely discrimination is losing and equality is winning!!!

 

[EdwinWillers]

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Abraham Lincoln said it best.
As the drums of disunion began to drown out the softer melodies of comity and reason, Lincoln, a candidate for U.S. Senate, warned a convention of Illinois Republicans that the nation could not escape its moment of decision.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand," he said in a celebrated 1858 speech. "I believe this government cannot endure permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other."

Read more: IRS ruling on joint returns for gay couples - baltimoresun.com

...only Abraham Lincoln wasn't talking about homosexuals, let alone homosexual "rights," LET ALONE homosexual marriage.

To quote Abraham Lincoln so brazenly and absurdly out of context for purely selfish ends is not only disrespectful to the man but to the very cause for which he made that speech.

The writer of that article should be ashamed, as should anyone who applauds his theft of it.

 

[EdwinWillers]

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It is rather intriguing though just how racist the homosexual lobby can become if they think it aids their cause. (no pun intended).

 

[Dragonfly]

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It is rather intriguing though just how racist the homosexual lobby can become if they think it aids their cause. (no pun intended).

Please explain how people (many of whom are 100% hetero) who support same-sex marriage rights are using racism as a tool.

 

[AGENT J]

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...only Abraham Lincoln wasn't talking about homosexuals, let alone homosexual "rights," LET ALONE homosexual marriage.

To quote Abraham Lincoln so brazenly and absurdly out of context for purely selfish ends is not only disrespectful to the man but to the very cause for which he made that speech.

The writer of that article should be ashamed, as should anyone who applauds his theft of it.

i applaud equality winning over discrimination, the rest of your opinion is moot to the actual subject.

 

[AGENT J]

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Please explain how people (many of whom are 100% hetero) who support same-sex marriage rights are using racism as a tool.

LOL yeah i cant wait to read that fantasy nonsensical lie either.

 

[EdwinWillers]

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...only Abraham Lincoln wasn't talking about homosexuals, let alone homosexual "rights," LET ALONE homosexual marriage.

To quote Abraham Lincoln so brazenly and absurdly out of context for purely selfish ends is not only disrespectful to the man but to the very cause for which he made that speech.

The writer of that article should be ashamed, as should anyone who applauds his theft of it.

Please explain how people (many of whom are 100% hetero) who support same-sex marriage rights are using racism as a tool.

See my first post (cited above). When the author of that article presumes to cite Abraham Lincoln on behalf of the homosexual cause, he is not only brazenly disrespecting Abraham Lincoln but the very cause for which Mr. Lincoln made that statement. That cause was slavery. Disrespecting the plight of the blacks in this nation for one's own selfish purposes, a purpose which has precisely ZERO in common with blacks and slavery, is blatant racism.

There, does that explain it?

 

[EdwinWillers]

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LOL yeah i cant wait to read that fantasy nonsensical lie either.

See the post above. I can't wait to see how you presume to represent that as a "nonsensical lie."

 

[Gardener]

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There, does that explain it?

Much like a three year old might try to explain quantum physics, yes.

 

[TiredOfLife]

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See my first post (cited above). When the author of that article presumes to cite Abraham Lincoln on behalf of the homosexual cause, he is not only brazenly disrespecting Abraham Lincoln but the very cause for which Mr. Lincoln made that statement. That cause was slavery. Disrespecting the plight of the blacks in this nation for one's own selfish purposes, a purpose which has precisely ZERO in common with blacks and slavery, is blatant racism.

There, does that explain it?

Well, there are words there but it explains nothing. The quote was about a "House Divided". You are the one who sees it as a race issue.

 

[AGENT J]

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See the post above. I can't wait to see how you presume to represent that as a "nonsensical lie."

easy, your OPINION and fantasies dont equal other practicing racism, DONE
you saying those fighting for equality are racist is a nonsensical lie, thanks for playing

lets us know whne you can back up your lie with facts and not fantasy and opinion, no racism exists at all in that statement or the fight for equal rights. Man i knew your answer would be funny

 

[EdwinWillers]

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Much like a three year old might try to explain quantum physics, yes.

ad-hominem. Is that all you got?

 

[EdwinWillers]

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Well, there are words there but it explains nothing. The quote was about a "House Divided". You are the one who sees it as a race issue.

I explained it adequately. That you didn't get it isn't my fault.

 

[TiredOfLife]

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I explained it adequately. That you didn't get it isn't my fault.

There's nothing to get. You have your race glasses on and you aren't a fan of rights for homosexuals.

 

[AGENT J]

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Well, there are words there but it explains nothing. The quote was about a "House Divided". You are the one who sees it as a race issue.

yep there was nothing in that failed explanation that points to anybody being racists, a total failure, appeal to emotion and severely desperate strawman that NOBODY bought.

 

[winston53660]

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I explained it adequately. That you didn't get it isn't my fault.

Oh we got it. You want to rationalize the irrational discrimination against homosexuals.

 

[Gardener]

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ad-hominem. Is that all you got?

What more would I need?

That things get so scrambled in your brain that you would actually offer up such idiotic nonsense is bad enough. Demanding that anybody actually accept such clearly delusional pap just compounds the problem.

 

[EdwinWillers]

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easy, your OPINION and fantasies dont equal other practicing racism, DONE

Neither do yours equate to the fact they don't. :2wave:

you saying those fighting for equality are racist is a nonsensical lie, thanks for playing

I'm saying homosexuals attempting to steal a moment in history important to blacks is racism. That's no lie. It's fact.

lets us know whne you can back up your lie with facts and not fantasy and opinion, no racism exists at all in that statement or the fight for equal rights. Man i knew your answer would be funny

Let me know when you can utter something that factually contradicts rather than merely repeating the ineffectual flame that I'm some sort of a liar.

 

[EdwinWillers]

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There's nothing to get. You have your race glasses on and you aren't a fan of rights for homosexuals.

There's plenty to get - and sadly you didn't.

 

[AGENT J]

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1.)Neither do yours equate to the fact they don't. :2wave:
I'm saying homosexuals attempting to steal a moment in history important to blacks is racism. That's no lie. It's fact.

Let me know when you can utter something that factually contradicts rather than merely repeating the ineffectual flame that I'm some sort of a liar.

1.) so you are blamming your failures on others now? nice try but theres no racism present thats why we are all laughing at that silly post
2.) nobody is trying to steal anything, both issues are about equality and no what you are saying is not a fact on any level what so ever. Its clear to us know you simply dont know what the word means

what are trying to call a fact? theres nothign you said that is fact, nothing

3.) already have, you trying to deflect wont changing anything

i can simply quote the detention of what racism is
Racism | Define Racism at Dictionary.com
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

you lose nothing you stated factual fits that definition.
Thanks for play but facts destroy your post

 

[TiredOfLife]

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There's plenty to get - and sadly you didn't.

Trust me, you we get. It's just that soon, the point of the OP, there won't be enough of "you" [meaning people like you] left to fill the back table at a Denny's. You are pissing into the wind my friend, which is why you feel wet and four of us have said that's what you are, all wet.

---Edited to help Edwin understand rational thought.---

 

[EdwinWillers]

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What more would I need?

That things get so scrambled in your brain that you would actually offer up such idiotic nonsense is bad enough. Demanding that anybody actually accept such clearly delusional pap just compounds the problem.

Prove it. If you think it "idiotic nonsense" - prove it. If you think it "delusional pap" - prove it. If you think my brain is scrambled - prove it.

That you can't merely means that's all you've got - an irrationally petty, emotional ad-hominem attack.

 

[EdwinWillers]

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Trust me, you we get. It's just that soon, the point of the OP, there won't be enough of "you" left to fill the back table at a Denny's. You are pissing into the wind my friend, which is why you feel wet and four of us have said that's what you are, all wet.

Now threats...

Interesting.

 

[TiredOfLife]

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Now threats...

Interesting.

Where do you see a threat? If you read it "rationally", you'll see that what I said is you are soon going to be very lonely and no one will bother to listen to you. Be rational, for a change.

I did a little editing to help you understand why there was no threat. I don't make threats.

 

[EdwinWillers]

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i can simply quote the detention of what racism is
Racism | Define Racism at Dictionary.com
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

I'm not sure what the "detention of racism" is, but quoting a dictionary definition? means very little these days - and you should know that.

Here, if you want some better definitions, that are far more applicable to today's society - try these (some are actually quite good): Urban Dictionary: racist