Ok, now let's see what happens to fast food restaurants in Commiefornia

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I HATE CALIFORNIA BECAUSE CALIFORNIA IS ALL POOPYHEADS!!!
I HATE CALIFORNIA I HATE CALIFORNIA I HATE CALIFORNIA
I HATE CALIFORNIA I HATE CALIFORNIA I HATE CALIFORNIA
I HATE CALIFORNIA I HATE CALIFORNIA I HATE CALIFORNIA
I HATE CALIFORNIA I HATE CALIFORNIA I HATE CALIFORNIA
I HATE CALIFORNIA I HATE CALIFORNIA I HATE CALIFORNIA

(when are we going to Disneyland?)

 

[NolanVoyd]

What formula?

The formula for calculating who qualifies for welfare and what a living wage is.

Pffft, because it is. I don’t know why you think it’s crazy to say “living wage” is a subjective measurement.

because it is based on what it costs to live. Not subjective to infividuals.

There’s people who make 50 grand and retire millionaires and people making a million who are broke, different people live different lifestyles around the US and the world.

None of that has anything to do with how it is calculated. Lifestyle has nothing to do with it. Individual choices have nothing to do with it.

If people survive in Bolivia then there’s no reason you can’t argue that people can just reduce their life expectations and cost of living would go down in that case.

You want the US to be a third world country? Really?

So now Walmart has to be responsible for their teenaged workers parents getting welfare?

Of course not.

You really are the understanding.

This seems like a complex and unworkable system

It's not.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

The formula for calculating who qualifies for welfare and what a living wage is.

OK, what formula? You keep Saying formula like it’s a magical incantation. A formula is a specific thing, post the equation.

because it is based on what it costs to live. Not subjective to infividuals.

Different individuals have different costs of living.

None of that has anything to do with how it is calculated. Lifestyle has nothing to do with it. Individual choices have nothing to do with it.

Lifestyle has everything to do with it. Part of the idea of “the living wage “ Is that people are entitled to a certain minimum lifestyle Without working more than a certain number of hours.

You want the US to be a third world country? Really?

No, I do not. But this is a succinct reputation of the idea That cost of living is some objective formula like you describe it. It is a subjective matter. People are alive all over the world who work much harder for much less quality of life.

Of course not.

You really are the understanding.

Partly because you are not making any coherent points.

It's not.

Yeah it is. You cannot have a system where a person or business is taking on unlimited liabilities based on the financial situation of people who they have no relationship with.

You just said, that if a teenager goes to work for Walmart, and that teenagers parents are on welfare, even though Walmart has nothing to do with the financial situation of the kids parents, they should be fully liable for it. That is an insane and unworkable system.

 

[longview]

Nope, I will take my business to places that give me a choice, and I will choose a human cashier.

Is that not still limiting your choices?

 

[thelastman]

Robots are coming regardless of wages.

When? It costs a fortune to make a robot that can perform simple tasks like walk for example. Those dancing Boston Dynamics robots would set you back a hell of a lot more than a min wage worker. And if there are any variables then the robot will not become confused due to the fact that they cannot think. Current AI is crap.

Hotel fires half its robot staff for sucking at their jobs​

Bye bye, bots. Henn na Hotel in Japan laid off droids that annoyed customers by failing to perform simple tasks.

Hotel fires half its robot staff for sucking at their jobs

Bye bye, bots. Henn na Hotel in Japan laid off droids that annoyed customers by failing to perform simple tasks.

www.cnet.com

If you cant automate it then robots cant do it. Here in Australia we have the highest min wage in the world. At McDonalds you must make your order on a touch screen which gives you a ticket - you then take the ticket to the counter and give it to a human. Its pretty idiotic because the only work the touch screen saved was the cashier having to take and enter your order. Ha. If you cannot use the touch screen ( like old people ) or you pretend that you cant they have to have a human there to assist you. There are no robots out back flipping burgers. You could probably set that up but it would cost a fortune. ANd you would still need humans there to monitor it for when it all %$%$s up and God knows it will since they cant even make a ice cream machine that doesnt break down twice a day.

When are the robots coming? I have been reading that a robot will take my job for decades. Im still waiting. I think that Skynet is a long way off. The morons of Silicon Valley are worthless.

 

[thelastman]

OK, what formula? You keep Saying formula like it’s a magical incantation. A formula is a specific thing, post the equation.

Different individuals have different costs of living.

Lifestyle has everything to do with it. Part of the idea of “the living wage “ Is that people are entitled to a certain minimum lifestyle Without working more than a certain number of hours.

No, I do not. But this is a succinct reputation of the idea That cost of living is some objective formula like you describe it. It is a subjective matter. People are alive all over the world who work much harder for much less quality of life.

Partly because you are not making any coherent points.

Yeah it is. You cannot have a system where a person or business is taking on unlimited liabilities based on the financial situation of people who they have no relationship with.

You just said, that if a teenager goes to work for Walmart, and that teenagers parents are on welfare, even though Walmart has nothing to do with the financial situation of the kids parents, they should be fully liable for it. That is an insane and unworkable system.

I got your equation. $80k.

If you live on less than $80k you will struggle because you have no surplus to speak of. Thats pretty much the entire working class. If you are college educated then you should be making at least $80k right? So bring down cost of living or pay $80k min wage. Commie? Here I am.

The state should pay the living wage not business. Bring in your robots and we will all stay at home on $80k living wage. What?

edit - If you are not on board then you are the enemy of the working class. ANd God knows you modern leftist Democrats arent on board. You think you are worth more right? If us working classes get $80k you are going to all expect hundreds of thousands - and yeah some of you are already making it. You are the real enemy - not these conservatives. They are nothing. Forget the 1%. Its you that us commies are coming for. You educated Democrat voters.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

What?

You Democrats. What? WHAT? You are the enemy not the 1%.

Oscar Wilde. The Soul of Man under Socialism

The Soul of Man under Socialism by Oscar Wilde

www.marxists.org

WHat? Robots as our slaves? Yeah that is the plan...

What?

edit - To the 1% I say this - who is your true enemy? The working class? Or these modern day slave owner Democrats that want to throw chicken feed at us and pat themselves on the back for it? We have them surrounded. Lets destroy them in a pincer attack! Do not fear the coming class war. Get with the power. Get with the working class.

edit - Ha.

edit - %$%$ YOUR PRODUCTIVITY SLAVE OWNERS!

edit - To the Democrats and so-called 'Democratic Socialists' I say this - %$%$ your chicken feed. And %$%$ you ( In general. Nothing personal. Mods ). You are the real enemy!

 

[reinaert]

Why did you treat your crew so horribly? They needed organized.

I bet you thought this was clever.

 

[thelastman]

CEO who pays staff $80K minimum wage calls for companies to pay a fair wage

CEO Dan Price, who pays employees $80k as a minimum wage, has called out for other companies to pay a fair wage

www.ladbible.com

 

[post]

The posters indoctrinated to post anti-worker propaganda are deplorable, even if posting out of ignorance.

25 states still enforce only the 30 year old, sub $3.00 hour minimum wage for tipped employees. It was not increased in the last democratic party federal initiative to raise the national minimum wage, 15 years ago.

Tipped Employee Minimum Wage Laws By State 2025

www.minimum-wage.org

The sense of entitlement emits quite a stench. The objections to the student loan debt forgiveness stink but cannot compete with some of the posts I've read in this thread. Prices are uniform across the country. Some employers are able to exploit their workers financially more than others.
depending on whether G.O.P. control the state government.
In the states with least educated voting populations, pawn interest maximum is 300 percent annually vs. under 100 percent in states of more highly educated adults.

 

[RF667799]

I bet you thought this was clever.

I thought it a fair question. Perhaps I am mistaken though, and your referring to them as "my crew" didn't indicate you were a member of management.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I got your equation. $80k.

If you live on less than $80k you will struggle because you have no surplus to speak of. Thats pretty much the entire working class. If you are college educated then you should be making at least $80k right? So bring down cost of living or pay $80k min wage. Commie? Here I am.

The state should pay the living wage not business. Bring in your robots and we will all stay at home on $80k living wage. What?

edit - If you are not on board then you are the enemy of the working class. ANd God knows you modern leftist Democrats arent on board. You think you are worth more right? If us working classes get $80k you are going to all expect hundreds of thousands - and yeah some of you are already making it. You are the real enemy - not these conservatives. They are nothing. Forget the 1%. Its you that us commies are coming for. You educated Democrat voters.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

What?

You Democrats. What? WHAT? You are the enemy not the 1%.

Oscar Wilde. The Soul of Man under Socialism

The Soul of Man under Socialism by Oscar Wilde

www.marxists.org

WHat? Robots as our slaves? Yeah that is the plan...

What?

edit - To the 1% I say this - who is your true enemy? The working class? Or these modern day slave owner Democrats that want to throw chicken feed at us and pat themselves on the back for it? We have them surrounded. Lets destroy them in a pincer attack! Do not fear the coming class war. Get with the power. Get with the working class.

edit - Ha.

edit - %$%$ YOUR PRODUCTIVITY SLAVE OWNERS!

edit - To the Democrats and so-called 'Democratic Socialists' I say this - %$%$ your chicken feed. And %$%$ you ( In general. Nothing personal. Mods ). You are the real enemy!

I can’t really make heads or tails of this post. You should cut it down and make it more coherent

 

[Eriech]

The posters indoctrinated to post anti-worker propaganda are deplorable, even if posting out of ignorance.

25 states still enforce only the 30 year old, sub $3.00 hour minimum wage for tipped employees. It was not increased in the last democratic party federal initiative to raise the national minimum wage, 15 years ago.

Tipped Employee Minimum Wage Laws By State 2025

www.minimum-wage.org

The sense of entitlement emits quite a stench. The objections to the student loan debt forgiveness stink but cannot compete with some of the posts I've read in this thread. Prices are uniform across the country. Some employers are able to exploit their workers financially more than others.
depending on whether G.O.P. control the state government.
In the states with least educated voting populations, pawn interest maximum is 300 percent annually vs. under 100 percent in states of more highly educated adults.

Raising the minimum wage doesn't help minimum wage workers. It does though help union workers who get automatic raises whenever the minimum goes up.

Sales sustain a certain level of total labor cost. As a percentage that number is relatively fixed. Raising the minimum wage for entry level are at the expense of those already working forcing a small differential between the trainer and the trainee.
In your opinion is it better for the trainer to make $20 and the new hire $10 or both to make $15? The total labor cost is the same.

 

[SMTA]

If the increase the cost of labor, they make robots look at lot more attractive.

Bullshit
Hasn’t happened yet

 

[longview]

Bullshit
Hasn’t happened yet

Hasn't happened yet, where have you been?
Almost every grocery store has a self checkout, a lot of fast food places have kiosks to order from.
It has been a while since we went to the movies, but the last time they had a popcorn self dispenser.

 

[reinaert]

Raising the minimum wage doesn't help minimum wage workers. It does though help union workers who get automatic raises whenever the minimum goes up.

Sales sustain a certain level of total labor cost. As a percentage that number is relatively fixed. Raising the minimum wage for entry level are at the expense of those already working forcing a small differential between the trainer and the trainee.
In your opinion is it better for the trainer to make $20 and the new hire $10 or both to make $15? The total labor cost is the same.

Not even wrong.

 

[SMTA]

Hasn't happened yet, where have you been?
Almost every grocery store has a self checkout, a lot of fast food places have kiosks to order from.
It has been a while since we went to the movies, but the last time they had a popcorn self dispenser.

How cute.
People checking their own groceries does not constitute robots!
Popcorn machines aren’t robots either!
Get yourself a big dictionary
Bwaahaahaahaahaa!

 

[Port & Starboard]

I can't stand doing fast food these days.

The staff in most fast food places have the intelligence of a bushel of bivalves, and a run of the mill "quahog" could probably articulate better the morons at the counter..

I used to enjoy a Big Mac every now and then from McDonalds but the wife now makes a better Big Mac than they do.

 

[Indlib]

I can't stand doing fast food these days.

The staff in most fast food places have the intelligence of a bushel of bivalves, and a run of the mill "quahog" could probably articulate better the morons at the counter..

I used to enjoy a Big Mac every now and then from McDonalds but the wife now makes a better Big Mac than they do.

Does she use two all beef paddies special sauce lettuce cheese on a sesame seed bun?

 

[longview]

How cute.
People checking their own groceries does not constitute robots!
Popcorn machines aren’t robots either!
Get yourself a big dictionary
Bwaahaahaahaahaa!

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Granted I have only been using automation for the last 4 decades, but anything that allows a function
to be preformed where a Human used to be needed is kind of a Robot.
Elevator operators, Automation dispensed with them early on.
The cashers at the grocery store, ect. if the automation replaces the labor of a person it is a type of robot.
It has been ongoing for decades.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Does she use two all beef paddies special sauce lettuce cheese on a sesame seed bun?

Pretty close.

 

[SMTA]

Granted I have only been using automation for the last 4 decades, but anything that allows a function
to be preformed where a Human used to be needed is kind of a Robot.
Elevator operators, Automation dispensed with them early on.
The cashers at the grocery store, ect. if the automation replaces the labor of a person it is a type of robot.
It has been ongoing for decades.

Not ‘a type of robot’ you said robots.
Hasn’t happened to any great degree as wages have been rising in the restaurant industry (THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD, BTW) and I said that it is doubtful that it will increase as it hasn’t really happened yet.
Your dodgeball sidestepping and rapid back peddling are hilariously noted.

 

[SMTA]

I HATE CALIFORNIA BECAUSE CALIFORNIA IS ALL POOPYHEADS!!!
I HATE CALIFORNIA I HATE CALIFORNIA I HATE CALIFORNIA
I HATE CALIFORNIA I HATE CALIFORNIA I HATE CALIFORNIA
I HATE CALIFORNIA I HATE CALIFORNIA I HATE CALIFORNIA
I HATE CALIFORNIA I HATE CALIFORNIA I HATE CALIFORNIA
I HATE CALIFORNIA I HATE CALIFORNIA I HATE CALIFORNIA

(when are we going to Disneyland?)

Please replace Cali with Texas

 

[SMTA]

I got your equation. $80k.

If you live on less than $80k you will struggle because you have no surplus to speak of. Thats pretty much the entire working class. If you are college educated then you should be making at least $80k right? So bring down cost of living or pay $80k min wage. Commie? Here I am.

The state should pay the living wage not business. Bring in your robots and we will all stay at home on $80k living wage. What?

edit - If you are not on board then you are the enemy of the working class. ANd God knows you modern leftist Democrats arent on board. You think you are worth more right? If us working classes get $80k you are going to all expect hundreds of thousands - and yeah some of you are already making it. You are the real enemy - not these conservatives. They are nothing. Forget the 1%. Its you that us commies are coming for. You educated Democrat voters.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

What?

You Democrats. What? WHAT? You are the enemy not the 1%.

Oscar Wilde. The Soul of Man under Socialism

The Soul of Man under Socialism by Oscar Wilde

www.marxists.org

WHat? Robots as our slaves? Yeah that is the plan...

What?

edit - To the 1% I say this - who is your true enemy? The working class? Or these modern day slave owner Democrats that want to throw chicken feed at us and pat themselves on the back for it? We have them surrounded. Lets destroy them in a pincer attack! Do not fear the coming class war. Get with the power. Get with the working class.

edit - Ha.

edit - %$%$ YOUR PRODUCTIVITY SLAVE OWNERS!

edit - To the Democrats and so-called 'Democratic Socialists' I say this - %$%$ your chicken feed. And %$%$ you ( In general. Nothing personal. Mods ). You are the real enemy!

A random number worth no source has no value
It is also not an equation
What a garbage post

 

[longview]

Not ‘a type of robot’ you said robots.
Hasn’t happened to any great degree as wages have been rising in the restaurant industry (THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD, BTW) and I said that it is doubtful that it will increase as it hasn’t really happened yet.
Your dodgeball sidestepping and rapid back peddling are hilariously noted.

it really is not that complicated. Say a 40 hour employee making $10 per hour cost a store $31,200 a year.
That same employee, at $20 per hour would cost ~$52,000 a year, a delta of $20,000.
Let's say that person and one other can be replaced with a robot(automation device) but it costs $40,000 and $4,000 a year for maintaining the machine. With the employee costs going up, the robot looks a lot more finically viable.

 

[Northern Light]

Small business in CA is already DOA thanks to laws that let people walk in and steal "if they need it."