- Joined
- Feb 12, 2006
- Messages
- 24,383
- Reaction score
- 14,983
- Location
- Wisconsin
- Gender
- Male
- Political Leaning
- Centrist
And how many of those got discharged for misconduct, and how many simply for being gay?
And how many of those got discharged for misconduct, and how many simply for being gay?
I'm not sure but I THINK being gay in the Navy IS considered misconduct.
There used to be an old joke they threw at us. 3000 sailors depart on tour. 1500 couples return. :rofl
I don't know what the break down was but if you admiited to being gay that i a violation of DADT.........I expect a lot of gays admitted to being gay even if they were not to get out of the Navy....
What the hell do you mean by plagues?
An advance, while on duty, can be considered sexual harrassment.
And unwanted advance is a violation of the UCMJ....It is obvious you have never served your country or you would know that....
And easy to report and punish, again, making it something unlikely to happen often. It is even less likely than an advance made against female service members. Adults handle these things, right?
You were in the service and I'm sure you saw just as many adults do stupid **** as I did.
You were in the service and I'm sure you saw just as many adults do stupid **** as I did.
That's true. See it in the civilian world as well. But that's no excuse to expect less than adult behavior, is it?
So what you are saying is that stupid behavior has nothing to do with orientation, which is something I agree with. We should not make policy based on the fact that stupid people will be stupid.
It's a fact, that allowing gays to serve openly in the military that we will see an increase in sexual harrassment and EO charges. Like it, or not, it's going to happen. IMO, our service members have more important tasks to perform, than to deal with all that bull****
It's not, but I think we both know that there ar people that can't/won't live up to those expectations and neither gender, nor sexual orientation exempts anyone from not meeting the standard.
Unfortunately, we're talking about an orginization that depends on a minimum of stupidity to remain functional. In the case of th military, I think we must base policies on the propensity of people to act stupid. When there were no co-ed units in the military, rapes and sexual harrassment were virtually non-existant.
It's a fact, that allowing gays to serve openly in the military that we will see an increase in sexual harrassment and EO charges. Like it, or not, it's going to happen. IMO, our service members have more important tasks to perform, than to deal with all that bull****.
When I was in the service, I knew senior NCO's that spent more time dealing with all that crap than they did leading and training their troops.
Yay, for completely unsubstantiated assumptions!
Do you think putting the words "it's a fact" before you say something actually makes it a fact?
I love to listening people make arguments that prejudice should determine issues of national security.
What I love even more, is listening to people who think that political correctness and social experiments are more important than a functional military that is able to defend our nation, with as little combat loss as possible.
You would only see an increase in sexual harassment charges if gays are more likely to commit sexual harassment, which I don't is true, and I am sure you cannot prove.
I would suggest those are the people we don't need.
Well, as usual, you're only able to see things from a one demensional point of view. It's not going to be just gays committing sexual harrassment. It's going to be gay on gay, gay on straight, straight on gay, and so on. Just as likely, there are going to be gay on gay rapes, gay on straight rapes, straight on gay rapes, and that's not even taking into account the increased number of assaults that will take place. I think it's quite naive to believe that these scenarios won't exist.
You're aboslutely right, but you know as well as I do how hard it is to kick a soldier out of the Army. When I was a platoon sgt. I dreamed everyday of the time when I could fire a soldier and send his worthless ass home.
I was written up one time for not persuing an AWOL soldier. My feelings were that his presence was nothing more than a waste time and tracking him down was even bigger waste of time.
I was written up one time for not persuing an AWOL soldier. My feelings were that his presence was nothing more than a waste time and tracking him down was even bigger waste of time.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?