Obama should not run again -for USA and for Party

[Conservative]

He just does not get it. I suspect his own ideological blindness will prevent him from ever getting it.

However, being good people of good will we should not give up on Conservative. We should continue to try to educate him on this issue. It is the right and proper thing to do for a fellow American.

I appreciate it, I am always willing to learn especially from such financial astute liberals especially you. I know it has been claimed that we have a 14.6 trillion dollar debt but I am sure SS surpluses weren't used on budget to make that debt look better than it should be. There will be no problem funding those IOU's as we can just print some more money. Don't worry about it, liberalism is a huge success especially when it comes to understanding the budget and IOU's

 

[sangha]

You think that I care that the liberals here aren't buying it? LOL, I won't be able to sleep tonight worrying about that one. You people are like cult followers. There is plenty of money and those IOU's don't exist at all. Don't worry about it, all your money contributed to the SS fund is there waiting for you. don't worry about the 14.6 trillion dollar debt, SS funds weren't used there either. No problem!

Umm, he didn't ask about money in the SS fund. Maybe you should read the question again (assuming you read it the first time)

Just tell us when in the foreseeable future the federal government of the USA will not take in enough money to pay out the Social Security for that year. And then tell us how you reached this conclusion.

Your continuing to answer the wrong question is making your responses look foolish or dishonest and it's incredibly entertaining :lamo

 

[haymarket]

You think that I care that the liberals here aren't buying it? LOL, I won't be able to sleep tonight worrying about that one. You people are like cult followers. There is plenty of money and those IOU's don't exist at all. Don't worry about it, all your money contributed to the SS fund is there waiting for you. don't worry about the 14.6 trillion dollar debt, SS funds weren't used there either. No problem!

Are you really this out to lunch on this entire thing that you cannot read a simple line of inquiry and provide the answer?

Look - forget about the IOU's. Forget about the Trust Fund. Let us for the moment indulge you and pretend that you are right and these exist only on paper and the actual money is not really there. Okay? You got that?

So now we have the basic line of inquiry based on your assertion that the money to pay for Social Security payments will not be there in the future.

So I ask you again

Just tell us when in the foreseeable future the federal government of the USA will not take in enough money to pay out the Social Security for that year. And then tell us how you reached this conclusion.

Either tell us all this or say your are unable to do so and we can all move on.

Why is this so hard for you? You claim you already gave us the answer - so just reprint it and shut us all up.

 

[Conservative]

Are you really this out to lunch on this entire thing that you cannot read a simple line of inquiry and provide the answer?

Look - forget about the IOU's. Forget about the Trust Fund. Let us for the moment indulge you and pretend that you are right and these exist only on paper and the actual money is not really there. Okay? You got that?

So now we have the basic line of inquiry based on your assertion that the money to pay for Social Security payments will not be there in the future.

So I ask you again

Just tell us when in the foreseeable future the federal government of the USA will not take in enough money to pay out the Social Security for that year. And then tell us how you reached this conclusion.

Either tell us all this or say your are unable to do so and we can all move on.

Why is this so hard for you? You claim you already gave us the answer - so just reprint it and shut us all up.

Just go to the ATM and get your money, it will be there. The deficits don' t matter, do they? I keep looking at the budget and see SS as income and SS as an expense. Mostly there is a surplus but a net deficit. You tell me things are going to be ok, then I believe you. Deficits don' t matter, debt doesn't matter, the money will be there and it really doesn't matter where it comes from, does it?

 

[sangha]

Just go to the ATM and get your money, it will be there. The deficits don' t matter, do they? I keep looking at the budget and see SS as income and SS as an expense. Mostly there is a surplus but a net deficit. You tell me things are going to be ok, then I believe you. Deficits don' t matter, debt doesn't matter, the money will be there and it really doesn't matter where it comes from, does it?

:2brickwall:

 

[haymarket]

Just go to the ATM and get your money, it will be there. The deficits don' t matter, do they? I keep looking at the budget and see SS as income and SS as an expense. Mostly there is a surplus but a net deficit. You tell me things are going to be ok, then I believe you. Deficits don' t matter, debt doesn't matter, the money will be there and it really doesn't matter where it comes from, does it?

Again you try smoke and mirrors to get out of the tight corner that you constructed for yourself.

I ask again -

Look - forget about the IOU's. Forget about the Trust Fund. Let us for the moment indulge you and pretend that you are right and these exist only on paper and the actual money is not really there. Okay? You got that?

So now we have the basic line of inquiry based on your assertion that the money to pay for Social Security payments will not be there in the future.

So I ask you again

Just tell us when in the foreseeable future the federal government of the USA will not take in enough money to pay out the Social Security for that year. And then tell us how you reached this conclusion.

Either tell us all this or say your are unable to do so and we can all move on.

 

[haymarket]

:2brickwall:

I suspect that brick wall will collapse before Conservative gets it. But we will be patient. A fellow American in need deserves our patience.

 

[Conservative]

Are you really this out to lunch on this entire thing that you cannot read a simple line of inquiry and provide the answer?

Look - forget about the IOU's. Forget about the Trust Fund. Let us for the moment indulge you and pretend that you are right and these exist only on paper and the actual money is not really there. Okay? You got that?

So now we have the basic line of inquiry based on your assertion that the money to pay for Social Security payments will not be there in the future.

So I ask you again

Just tell us when in the foreseeable future the federal government of the USA will not take in enough money to pay out the Social Security for that year. And then tell us how you reached this conclusion.

Either tell us all this or say your are unable to do so and we can all move on.

Why is this so hard for you? You claim you already gave us the answer - so just reprint it and shut us all up.

Here are the line items of the budget, Baby Boomers who haven't retired yet are putting money in the income side with all other income earners. SS recipients are receiving money on the expense side. The difference doesn't matter because the total income doesn't cover the total expenses and thus we have a deficit which becomes part of the debt. When SS money is taken from Intergovt. holdings it is replaced with IOU's. Ever get an IOU haymarket? One of these days the IOU's are gonig to come due and looking at the budget that will mean that SS expenses will be higher than the SS revenue making the debt worse. I probably shouldn't be worried about it because you said no problem yet you have yet to tell me where the money is going to come from to pay for those IOU's. If you say things are going to be ok, then I won't worry

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[haymarket]

What you just posted is irrelevant and does not answer the question.

Allow me to take you by the hand and give you a major clue which will lead you out of that corner you painted yourself into - not so much for you but I am going to bed soon and I fear you will NEVER GET IT without some help.

Do you foresee a year in the foreseeable future where there will not be enough money taken in by the federal Government to pay its obligations for Social Security?

Now forget about the trust fund and forget about IOU's and forget about printing more money and forget about borrowing. Got that Conservative?

Do you foresee a year in the foreseeable future where there will not be enough money taken in by the federal Government to pay its obligations for Social Security?

 

[Michael H]

Just go to the ATM and get your money, it will be there. The deficits don' t matter, do they? I keep looking at the budget and see SS as income and SS as an expense. Mostly there is a surplus but a net deficit. You tell me things are going to be ok, then I believe you. Deficits don' t matter, debt doesn't matter, the money will be there and it really doesn't matter where it comes from, does it?

The fact that the monies not there doesn't mean the money wasn't stolen. Basically when I'm short on funds I don't run to the gun shop and pickup 5 AR-15's and 30,000 rounds of ammo at the cost of 960 billion, and then tell my family to go hungry.

Nor do I export my income to China and complain about a lack of wages. Hmmmm but some do ... like our government ,,, and then they say, hey we are a little short on funds for SS and medicaid. Hey but wait ... I've got to drop a 1000 of these $100,000 dollar bombs in the desert. All for a good cause and a puffed out chest ... while we figure out what's leftover for insignificant things like the elderly.

 

[Thrilla]

well, if i had to come up with a reason as to why Obama should not run again, i would have to say because he is politically incompetent.

 

[Conservative]

What you just posted is irrelevant and does not answer the question.

Of course it doesn't because you don't understand SS at all. Do you contribute or are you one of those govt. employees that doesn't participate?

Let me explain it to you. Here is what happens to those of us that are forced into SS. We get a private sector job and start contributing to SS as does our employer. That money goes into Intergovt. holdings. For years there were more people working and fewer people collecting SS so that created a surplus. LBJ saw all that money and needed a way to pay for the Vietnam War so Congress passed a bill authorizing SS surpluses to be put on budget to fund the Vietnam War. That money was taken from Intergovt. holdings and replaced with an IOU, you know a piece of paper promising to pay you in the future. That was such a great deal that after LBJ left office Congress still spent the money taking that SS surplus which was supposed to go for you and other retirees in the future and used the money leaving an IOU.

Has the bell gone off yet in your head yet? Probably not so let's continue

you continued to work, continued to contribute to SS and the govt. kept track ofyour contribution and Congress kept spending the surplus and replacing it with an IOU. The IOU's have continued to grow as was reported in the article I posted for you and all the surpluses were used on budget and even with the uses of SS surpluses the govt. created a 14.6 trillion dollar debt. All those surpluses were used and never paid back. Those IOU's are going to come due as babyboomers retire. There will be fewer people contributing thus the IOU's have to be cashed in. Where is that money going to come from? I anxiously await liberal math majors here to figure that out for me so that you aren't paid in IOU's?

 

[Conservative]

Getting late here and I have to try and go to bed now and try to go to sleep worrying about what the liberals here think about me. It is going to be hard, but I look forward to getting up tomorrow and reading I am sure some incredibly intelligent liberal responses explaining where the money is going to come from to reimburse those IOU's. Have a good night.

 

[haymarket]

That is irrelevant.

I am willing to agree with you for the moment that there are only pieces of paper in this Trust Fund. Got that? You can quit beating that dead horse.

I am willing to agree with you for the moment that an IOU is not the same as cash. Got it? You can quit beating that dead horse.

So I ask you again

Do you foresee a year in the foreseeable future where there will not be enough money taken in by the federal Government to pay its obligations for Social Security?

 

[randel]

That is irrelevant.

I am willing to agree with you for the moment that there are only pieces of paper in this Trust Fund. Got that? You can quit beating that dead horse.

I am willing to agree with you for the moment that an IOU is not the same as cash. Got it? You can quit beating that dead horse.

So I ask you again

Do you foresee a year in the foreseeable future where there will not be enough money taken in by the federal Government to pay its obligations for Social Security?

i hope you are not expecting him to actually answer a question straight up....

 

[Thrilla]

i hope you are not expecting him to actually answer a question straight up....

that's not a straight up question really.

if we look at social security as funded by it's specific tax... then yes, it will run out of money to pay it's obligations in the foreseeable future.

if we look at it , as his question suggests, in terms of open ended funding ( meaning that SS can be funded by the general fund, deficit spending, or other sources in addition to it's specific statutory tax ).. then no... as the government will likely never run out of money or credit.

 

[sangha]

that's not a straight up question really.

if we look at social security as funded by it's specific tax... then yes, it will run out of money to pay it's obligations in the foreseeable future.

if we look at it , as his question suggests, in terms of open ended funding ( meaning that SS can be funded by the general fund, deficit spending, or other sources in addition to it's specific statutory tax ).. then no... as the government will likely never run out of money or credit.

Again, the question wasn't about how much money is in the SS fund. Is it impossible for a rightwinger to ask the question that was actually asked, instead of merely repeating their slogans?

Again, here was the question:

Do you foresee a year in the foreseeable future where there will not be enough money taken in by the federal Government to pay its obligations for Social Security?

 

[pbrauer]

Here we go again, waste time posting the same message over and over again so that you can do what you always do, ACT like the answer hasn't been given to you. It has, you just don't get it and never will. You are a liberal. What is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty?

That has to be one of funniest post you've ever made. :lamo:lamo:lamo

 

[winston53660]

i hope you are not expecting him to actually answer a question straight up....

Hell is going to freeze over when Perry gets elected as Prez....

 

[haymarket]

That has to be one of funniest post you've ever made. :lamo:lamo:lamo

I wonder if a good nights sleep will recharge the brain cells for our good friend Conservative and he will return today with the answer? I certainly hope so - then we can all move on back to the topic.

 

[Conservative]

I wonder if a good nights sleep will recharge the brain cells for our good friend Conservative and he will return today with the answer? I certainly hope so - then we can all move on back to the topic.

Looks like that lightbulb in your head is starting to flicker and turn on as your post indicates on the other thread. SS had a surplus for many years as "contributions" exceeded expenditures. Now if the govt. had put those surpluses into an account we wouldn't have this problem today but NO the govt. put that money on budget and even with that money it became part of the debt. Those surpluses now are surpluses of IOU's that have to be funded. Where is the money going to come from to fund those IOU's as there aren't enough people working today to keep up with all the retirements that are beginning to happen as babyboomers retire.

 

[haymarket]

Looks like that lightbulb in your head is starting to flicker and turn on as your post indicates on the other thread. SS had a surplus for many years as "contributions" exceeded expenditures. Now if the govt. had put those surpluses into an account we wouldn't have this problem today but NO the govt. put that money on budget and even with that money it became part of the debt. Those surpluses now are surpluses of IOU's that have to be funded. Where is the money going to come from to fund those IOU's as there aren't enough people working today to keep up with all the retirements that are beginning to happen as babyboomers retire.

I fondly hoped that a good nights sleep and some research would see your return here this morning with a solid answer to the question

Just tell us when in the foreseeable future the federal government of the USA will not take in enough money to pay out the Social Security for that year. And then tell us how you reached this conclusion.

But alas, my hopes have been dashed as you simply are doling out more of the same old same old which was irrelevant yesterday and is still so today.

If you maintain that the federal government cannot sustain SS payments into the foreseeable future, tell us then just tell us when in the foreseeable future the federal government of the USA will not take in enough money to pay out the Social Security for that year. And then tell us how you reached this conclusion.

You could not do it yesterday. I bet you cannot do it today either.

 

[Conservative]

I fondly hoped that a good nights sleep and some research would see your return here this morning with a solid answer to the question

Just tell us when in the foreseeable future the federal government of the USA will not take in enough money to pay out the Social Security for that year. And then tell us how you reached this conclusion.

But alas, my hopes have been dashed as you simply are doling out more of the same old same old which was irrelevant yesterday and is still so today.

If you maintain that the federal government cannot sustain SS payments into the foreseeable future, tell us then just tell us when in the foreseeable future the federal government of the USA will not take in enough money to pay out the Social Security for that year. And then tell us how you reached this conclusion.

You could not do it yesterday. I bet you cannot do it today either.

And you were doing so well on this thread and another as the lightbulb was starting to flicker. When you look at the budget of the United States and see SS payments higher than Revenue you will then see that foreseeable future when SS IOU's have to be funded, so how are they going to be funded?

You were doing so well, surplus meant more people were contributing to SS than money going out but you have yet to understand where that surplus went. It is GONE, spent as part of the general fund, now the IOU's have to be funded, from where?

 

[Conservative]

Hell is going to freeze over when Perry gets elected as Prez....

There were people who made that claim when Obama was running so guess hell has already frozen over for Obama was elected and now has taken a lot of the country with him into hell as his results show

 

[randel]

That has to be one of funniest post you've ever made. :lamo:lamo:lamo

it was indeed...nearly spewed coffee all over the computer..lol